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Thank you. I was thinking the same thing about the PFM of the Su-33 being important with the next few modules coming out.

+1 I am very excited

Any news on the PFM?

Finally! Now we can talk about all the sub systems with much more organization

@Mainstay thanks for the correction. Fixed it @OverStratos do you have a source/evidence saying that the Floggers given to 3rd world countries were not heavily downgraded from the Soviet versions?

Thank you very much for those fantastic photos, clearly you have had an interesting life! Were you a crew chief or public relations personnel?

Sorry If I missed something, but does this mean that we are getting a mid 80's version of the A model?

Captured Syrian MiG-23 used for testing by Israel A Destroyed Iraqi MiG-23 A Close Up one of the famous abandoned Iraqi MiG-23's around Balad AB Syrian Air Force MiG-23 shot down by Syrian Rebels MiG-23 Syrian Air Force preparing for take off One of the famous pictures of a MiG-23 used by Libyan Rebels moments before impact after being shot down Syrian MiG-23 Takeoff Libyan MiG-23 doing an extremely low level pass (note the human crouching on the ground) video for those interested to watch stupidity at its finest Abandoned Soviet MiG's Sapfir ML radar for MiG-23ML

So what does the F16 and F18 have to do with the our A6???

Thanks for the clarification :thumbup:

+1, Honestly I cant see anything really past a mid A model in FC3 configuration. Just way to much stuff. Anyway I hope you continue pushing the 23-98 hard Cubanace, your work is great!

F16C BLK 52?? I thought the plan was to focus on the MiG-23? Will you eventually build a new cockpit for the 23? Not to get personal but I feel like the 23-98 due to its simplified nature could be "fully released" to us in a very high quality of state. Just my 2 cents.

+1

No

Yah me too...so is this campaign going to be set in an alternate universe due to this being the upgraded Flogger in the 90's?

After searching through the forums, I could not find any information or discussion topics about the MiG-23, so I decided to start this. This is not necessarily about the development (or anything for that matter) of a MiG-23 variant in DCS World. I just want to have a thread that provides you (eventually) anything you want to know about the MiG-23, and where everyone could talk about all things Flogger. Below I tried to post a basic history of the MiG-23. The website I got my information from, http://www.militaryfactory.com , goes a lot more in depth and is a great read if you have the time. Development Development of the MiG-23 started in the early 1960's to counter the limitations of the MiG-21 (the MiG-21 lacked the range, payload and was too dependent on ground-based interception systems). This new aircraft was to be produced and used by both the Soviet Air Defense Force (PVO) and the Soviet Tactical Air Forces. The aircraft was to be able to have the ability to take off from short runways, and to be larger and heavier in design than previous MiG fighters. In ordered to accomplish this a MiG design team decided to use a variable geometry/swept wing in order to comply with the ability to take off from short runways and offering the ability to greater payloads. This test aircraft known as the Model 23-11 (there was a Model 23-01 that was very different), first flew on April 10, 1967. Both models appeared at the 1967 Domododevo airshow, being nicknamed the Flogger and Faithless respectably by western observers. The Model 23-11 was chosen in 1968 due to superior capabilities for carrying ordnance while still being a good performer. The MiG-23 entered service in 1971 and was available in large numbers starting in 1973. Model 23-01 Model 23-11 Entry into Service and Major Fighter Variants of Soviet Service When the MiG-23S (50-60 production run) entered service, it was seen as a disappointment due to having to use the MiG-21's "Jay Bird" radar instead of a newly developed "Sapfir-23" radar. This made the aircraft incapable of BVR engagements, severely hindering it as a front line fighter. Soon after the M model, and the first massed produced model, came out with the intended Sapfir radar and became the respectable fighter it was intended to be. The ML variant had a lighter airframe, new engine, and could pull 8.5g's compared to the 8 of previous versions. The ML also had a newer version of the Sapfir radar, with better ranges of 56 miles compared to 37 of previous radars. The P model was a more dedicated interceptor version of the ML with a new radar version. The bis variant had a better hud. The MLD was the main production variant included an upgraded Safir radar, new avionics, chaff and flare dispensers, and R73 capable. MiG-23S MiG-23M MiG-23ML MiG-23P MiG-23MLD Fighter-Bomber MiG-23's The MiG-23B (24 production run) was the first bomber oriented version of the Flogger. Changes include a redisgned fuselage(notably with the nose), armored windshield, fire resistant fuel tanks, new navigational/attack radar suite, built in laser ranger finder, tv camera installed, early missle warning sytem, new engine and a shortened fuselage. The BN varaint (624 production run) from 1973-1985 was the main attack version of the Flogger, with new navigation and attack systems and a less powerful engine. Eventually the true ground attack aircraft, the MiG-27 appeared and took over the BN's role. MiG-23BN MiG-23 Armament MiG-23 contains a 23mm Gsh-23L cannon with 260 rounds in the fuselage. The Flogger has 6 hard points, which allow for a total of 6,600lbs (around 3000kg). Can carry AA-7,8,10,11 and 12 eventually air to air missiles. Ground payloads for variants are located in the charts below, though it included the standard "dumb" bombs, rockets, gun pods, air to surface misses and nuclear weapons. MiG-23 Displaying Various Missles MiG-23M Air to Air Inventory MiG-23MF Air to Air Inventory Romanian MiG-23MF with various weapons Operational Service The MiG-23, like most Soviet Era MiG aircraft, was exported heavily. Now when the USSR manufactured aircraft (including the MiG-23), for each main variant their was 2 other sub variants for 3 total similar models. There was the main production models (listed above) that were intended for service in the USSR. There was than a slightly downgraded version (almost always avionic and radar suites) that was given to allies in the Warsaw Pact, for example countries like Poland and Bulgaria. There was than a third variant featuring far inferior avionic and radar suites that was given to growing communist nation's or third world countries, these are your middle eastern Soviet supporters and countries like Cuba. As you can guess with over 5000 examples produced throughout the 1970's-1980's in the Cold War, this bird has seen some serious use. Therefore I will only list the basics of its air to air history, because there is simply not enough documentation on the amount destroyed by ground based systems. This is especially complicated due to the current situation in the middle east where the Flogger is still seeing extensive combat. Below is a gallery of photos of MiG-23's in the field,in combat, and destroyed. Source for data below is http://www.migflug.com MiG-23 Overall Air to Air Kills for Losses (kills on left, losses on right) 25 kills for 102 losses Syrian border clashes 1974-1981 (Syria) 3-2 Lebanon War 1982 (Syria) 1-30 Israeli UAV shoot down 2002 (Syria) 1-0 Iran-Iraq War (Iraq) 16-56 Gulf War (Iraq) 0-8 No Fly Zones (Iraq) 0-1 Gulf of Sidra Incident (Libya) 0-2 Soviet Afghan War (USSR) 0-3 Iran-Afghan border violations (USSR) 4-0 Ethiopia-Eritrean War (Ethiopia) 0-1 Soviet MiG-23's at Bagram AB in Afghanistan Libyan MiG-23MS being intercepted by a US Navy F/A-18 Hornet A Libyan MiG-23 shot down in the famous Gulf of Sidra incident in 1989 by a US Navy F-14A Tomcat MiG-23's over Cuba MiG-23 Demonstrating It's Afterburner MiG-23 firing AA-7 "Apex" Air to Air Missle Gorgeous in cockpit shot of an East German MiG-23 More Pictures of the Flogger in posts below due to picture limit

You are? I really think the MiG-23-98 could really make it into DCS somehow (yes I know it has been shot down because of reasons not classified), I fully believe that it is possible that you could one day be seen under the 3rd party developer tab! Keep up the work on the Flogger! :thumbup:

Wow, the color of those lights are just so pleasing to the eyes. Great job RAZBAM

Its nice to see any type of MiG-23 in this game, jts really disappointing that no developer has made one so far. I am looking very forward to this. Cubanace are you going to wait longer to release this mod and have it in more finished stages (more updated)?

I voted "No, I love the myriad of lame trainers and far flung planes with no historical opposition" honestly cause I didn't like your attitude about the subject, sorry. These trainers, while similar, all have their uses and information is easy to obtain for them. Why lame trainers? Are WW2 and KOREA planes lame because their not supersonic or don't have AB's? If I use that logic every plane but the SR-71 in FSX should be just ignored cause they don't go Mach 4. Though I do think the Phantom would be cool, unless the developer is certain they could get a good ai pilot/wso than I think they should focus on something else from the Vietnam era that would be easier to implement, like the F-105D

Thanks you too. I wonder if itll have a different modeled explosion than traditional ejection seats

What are the wires on the top of the canopy for?

I am grabbing this bird with the sale, because I want a campaign. It was only until recently that I started playing MP, and I still mostly spend my time in the editor, so yah not having a campaign is a big deal to me and possibly others. I really hope they give us a campaign in the Caucasus.

This, this makes sense. Do you think ED would allow the Hornet to have the 9x but not the Eagle? Not a rhetorical question.

Hello, I know that the F-5 and the T-38 are derived from the same air frame, with key differences (fighter vs trainer), but just how different are the flight characteristics. Do you guys believe that the F-5E we have can simulate a T-38?