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Then fundamental difference is that VR doesn't take into account the eyes peripheral vision. While a real pilot only need turn his head to say 4 oclock in order to see dead 6 oclock and thus right behind his fighter thanks to peripheral vision, in VR, you actually have to look almost dead 6 to SEE dead 6. This means you pretty much have to turn your chair (if it even swivels) an awful lot in order to get your head pointed to 6 oclock due to the nature of body mechanics. TrackIR of course has scaling/etc which allows you to see directly behind your aircraft with very little head movement at all - again, the opposite of VR right now, until we get good eye tracking in VR devices.

Wags, I'm sure you're concerned that the Hornet stick may not be working quite perfectly, if you send it to me, I'll give it my opinion and help you out bro. You can even pay the shipping both ways for me helping you out...

I looked into this company a bit earlier this year. I typically buy all new sim hotas stuff anyway, so long at it's under $1000 per unit - I can't recall what the prices where on this stuff, but IIRC it was still under this, so I'll probably be in. I do have one of the Saitek X65 hotas in my collection, and the force sensing system works better than I thought it would. More than well enough to play, especially less competitive single player experience stuff, although I did find that in multi/PVP competitive stuff like Aces high that I fly, it was a bit less than ideal. Perhaps this company will have more spun up tech than Saitek did with their brief and, IMO failed attempt, and bringing force sensing hotas to the masses. I'll stay tuned, for sure.

Great job Cypher - very happy to keep on supporting you guys, such a great company, all my dealings have been 6 stars on the 5 star scale. Your rapid help when I needed tech support one time (2 hours you guys replied, so FAST, and problem was solved in about 10 minutes tops)...I'll not forget this anytime soon. I love my T50s, and everyone else I let use our 3 gaming systems set up for flight simming always want to use the system we currently have set up with the T50 and a TM throttle on the fantastic and inexpensive desk mounts/clamps. Seeing those throttles on that assembly and testing bench - I'd love to swoop in and buy every single one. Alas, I'll have to be happy with the one I'll purchase as soon as they're available. Great job again, and Cypher, I'm sure the rest of the DCS community and those of us who love to follow this part of the forum in the input subforum here, really and truly appreciate the work you do giving us updates like this, including the information and visuals/pics. Thanks again. Both of us here (missus flies a bit as well when she's not into her Fortnite addiction, heh), are very appreciative of posts like this one with the new sticks/throttles. Heh, may have to purchase T50 base #3, or probably the new WarBrd base, to get an example of your new "space" Constellation Delta sim stick. Looks very interesting, and my nephew is a big time Star Citizen and Elite player - see what he thinks of it, he loves the Mongoose already, so...

Hrrm, maybe I've given up too soon on SLI, I'll try out your link there Cowboy and see if it works in our 1080ti SLI system. As far as I know and have read here, SLI doesn't work in VR, nor in any other game. Is that outdated info too?

I'm going to try this out myself, I have a 256gb 960m.2 drive I have DCS and just Windows and associated other productivity type stuff on installed on right now(swapped some drives around), and I've found recently that I ran out of space during an update with my DCS install - I have every module except the Russian transport helo, and every map/WW2/whatever, and my folder size is 130gb. Anyhow, going to try this out, very interested in being able to pawn off installs on my regular SSD or even my Black WD spinner drives. Thanks for posting this, later today I'll try it out on my primary DCS system.

That’s the question isn’t it, and IMO, no, it doesn’t, at least not very much. Any performance gained in DCS through SLI is mostly a placebo effect, again IMO.

Just my opinion and experience, but having tried sli with 6 different 1080 and 1080ti combos, I felt the advantage was..minimal, at best, and non existent at worst. I wish it wasn’t the case, believe me.

I realize it's the wrong section, but if anyone is looking for a like new Gunfighter 2 desktop, I'm selling one of mine in the for sale section here. If posting this is "out of bounds", apologies admin, just wanted anyone after one of these back ordered and hard to get a hold of units to see the add.

Well, good enough, for now at least, IMO. However, as stated in the other thread, I firmly believe that TM needs to act quickly (more quickly ie) due to the success that VKB and Virpil have had, in terms of updating their high end HOTAS. Seriously, it shouldn't take a rocket surgeon (hah) to create an updated gimbal that isn't...the old one...and doesn't suck and fail so rapidly as much as the old one...and build a new HOTAS around that. A nice version similar to what VKB/Virpil have done in the TM housing, even with the same F22 and now F18 stick, and perhaps update the throttle a little bit as well, and they'd be off to the races. I'd buy such a thing, 2 of them, immediately in fact. I'm certain others would as well. This is just the simplest version of what they could do, honestly, they should be able to create something even better - tabarnac mes ami, qu'est-ce qui se passe anyway, wtf over? Get on it, step on "le gas", maintenants, si vous plait. Anyhow, I'll count myself lucky, buy a couple F18 sticks one available, stick one on one of our T50s probably (don't need no steeeekin adapter, hehe), and one on a Warty base. That'd be good times using it with the Hornet module, big time. Obviously we'll pick up a set of the peds as well, they look really interesting and high grade, I'll look forward to being impressed.

Hardwood floors are easily managed, I don't know why this is such a "thing" tbh. Various velcro/etc and other types of solutions have always worked for me, tried it with CH, Saitek pedals (2 types), Slaw, VKB, MFG Crosswinds...never had a problem keeping pedals in place with the various tricks I've picked up on from various forums and other users. I'm on carpet now, hah, so it's a think of the past anyway. Want more news. More news! The gent in the video above is using the Hornet stick, in fact both stations have the Hornet stick on the WH base. I'll be happy if this becomes available shortly from TM, but to repeat, IMO they need to update their HOTAS, particularly their old and finicky (finicky is an extremely KIND word to describe it) gimbal, and fast what with the competition that is out there. Jabbers, hear or see any rumors from TM or others about new hotas? Hope all is well man, thanks for any updates you can give us (and others there at E3 as well).

RRohde, sound advice. I've been waiting, watching, and reading opinions of others who have gone before me in this arena. We have large gaming tables from Bestar, 3 setups using 2 large gaming surface tables each meeting in the corners of our gaming rooms, and set up for our flying with DxRacer chairs, using desktops for our 2 VKB equipped systems, and the Virpil desk clamp/mounts for the other. We decided on going with Monster Tech, I'm going to purchase 3 chairs/cockpits eventually, but am going to start with 1 first, and build it and see how I like it. Going with the entire setup, not triple monitor, just a single for my 34" Asus 100hz Gsync, but will be using the Rift/Samsung mostly anyway. Monster with the arm rest/etc is how I want to go, they also provide plates for all the various sticks I have so I can quickly swap them out as I want to (I have all the TM/CH/Vipril/VKB sticks and enjoy changing them about). This was a critical issue in my decision, but not the only one - Monster offers plates for every stick/throttle type for their mounts, and I want options for side and center stick. Not going to be inexpensive, so near as I can tell, with all the stick/throttle plates I want, and the various arm rest/stick mount options I want, it'll be nearly $1500 CAD after tax, shipping, etc, just for a single unit. Ouch. Should be worth it though I think, I'll post pics once they are able to fill the order and send it out to me.

Ditto GreekBull, I've been saying for a couple years (as others have), that TM has a real opportunity to get a paddle back in the water and to put out some new hotas stuff to compete in the space where VKB/Virpil have been dominating. TM looks like they are taking on Bauer, Slaw, and arguably VKB/MFG in the rudder arena, but IMO Thrustmaster needs to do more than this, and needs to compete in the more critical stick and throttle aspects of the "summer of flight" arena. I'll be...temporarily happy with an F18 Hornet stick adapter, but not "sated", by any means. Hornet stick would personally tide me over for a short time in terms of Thrustmaster, I really hope we see or at least hear some news regarding a new HOTAS. Seriously, it shouldn't be a huge deal for a large and experienced company like TM, no matter who owns it now (bonjour, my stylo est grand), to make a much, MUCH improved gimbal compared to the gong show that is/was the Warthog. I can say this as I've gone through 4 of them (ref the videos I've put up here as proof of this), and repaired/replaced parts in 3 of them so far. A metal stick like the WH is now, with a VKB/Virpil like gimbal inside, and a new-ish throttle added on...TM would sell such things like HOTCAKES. Big time. So, TM, give them to us, damn it.

Selling my newest VKB Gunfighter MK.II - I just bought it a couple months ago, I have 2 older models from when they first were released for sale in early 2017. This one I used very briefly for a few hours for testing/review purposes, and it's sat ever since, and I don't want it to be wasted, and will therefore put it up for sale. I paid $445 USD exactly after shipping. I'm in Canada and would prefer to sell it here, and if I do, I will pay the shipping/insurance cost and send it ExpressPost. If somebody in the USA wants it, I'll charge the $399 USD that the unit itself cost, plus whatever the shipping cost to the USA with insurance will cost by ExpressPost. The buyer will be responsible for any other charges such as duty and taxes that the US border (may) charge. So, basically, I'm not charging any "extra" amount due to the demand out there, I want to be fair and a solid member of this community, so all I'm asking is what I paid. Again, in Canada, I'll pay for the shipping and my price is the invoice (I can provide this, and will in fact for the warranty) cost I paid which is $445 USD, and for American buyers, $399 USD (invoice cost minus shipping), plus whatever the shipping cost into the USA will be for Expresspost insured for $400 USD. Pictures later today, I'll post some, and I can email them as well. It's in new condition, as new as possible after opening it, assembling it, and doing some brief flying for a few hours with it. Perfect unit. So far as payment method I'd much prefer EMT transfer, I do have PayPal and will use it if absolutely necessary, but any extra fees for that will be the responsibility of the buyer. Thanks all.

Slaws price go up? I paid 375 euros including shipping for my 109Cam Slaw pedals, which was $495 CAD total, around $390 USD. edit - time does fly, it was over 3 years ago I bought them. I do agree though that they are a small step up from the VKB or MFG pedals I have, but that gap is very narrow IMO. I'll be buying the TM pedals as well, I buy everything new in the hotas sphere anyway, but as others said, I'm more interested in the F18 stick and possible hotas news from TM than anything else. Hope they have something to show us in that area, what with the whole marketing "summer of flight" deal....

Welcome Thorhammer - tons of great modules out there, the Hornet being the newest, and it's incredible. Great time to come back, excellent timing.

I'm waiting for my adapter, still, once I get it I'll let you know. I've got a bunch of WH sticks/throttles and the T50 and Gunfighter both. Since Virpil, for better and/or worse, went with the same connector as the TM WH, you can use the WH and Cougar sticks with the Virpil base easy peasy. I've done so for a fair bit, and it works great. While the Gunfighter 2 and the Virpil T50 sticks are both great, fantastic really, the argument that the WH stick being mostly metal is superior is one I often read, and don't necessarily disagree with, although it is 5/6 and pick em IMO on that. Using the GF or T50 base with a WH stick is an excellent combo, again, arguably the very best set up in "sim" world out there. One thing about the Gunfighter though - using the 10 and 20 (stock) springs in the base, with the much heavier weight of the WH stick (again, being metal), this makes it literally flop over like an 80 year old's you know what without his viagra. The stick will MAY flop into a corner - again, just what I've read, I'll be testing it myself - unless you swap out the cam (included with the Warthog stick adapter as per the VKB website). Even with the cam, I do wonder if the heavier WH stick will have a tendacy to flop around a fair bit unless you put in much heavier springs - this is the one thing I really want to test for myself. Due to the nature of even the lightest Virpil springs being fairly beefy, I've not had that problem, not at all, using the WH stick in the Virpil T50 base. It works great, and hopefully if TM releases the Hornet stick that WigWags is using right now, I'll be instantly putting one in my T50 #2 (I have a couple of them) permanently for my Hornet flying. That, will be the best setup avaialble for the Hornet sim hands down IMO, until Virpil or VKB release a Hornet stick of their own. I really hope both of these companies create more sticks (Virpil has already made a space sim stick, so they are willing and able I think in this department), and hopefully metal stick options too. Hope that gives you some idea, again, once the adapter stock arrives at VKB, I'll get a couple and try the WH stick in my Gunfighter 2 and Gunfighter first gen bases, and let you know what I think, and put up some video of that. Should be soon they've said, hopefully before the middle of June.

Congrats ED - I'm hoping the non Steam sales are equally good - no better in fact. This bodes well for future ED/DCS content, $ is the best measure and predictor for the future IMO. I've told everyone I can as well about the Hornet module.

Just bookmark Wags YouTube channel, all you need for early access for weapons employment is in the vids right now IMO.

Lazy Russian Blue cat has decided to stop waiting, and go back to bed.

Good advice too.

Keep trying Whiteside, you should be able to get one of those credit cards at least to unlock the restrictions - I had to do the same, every time I've ordered from Virpil in fact, same bat time, same bat channel. Never had an issue with an order, it's just dumb credit card company stuff. That said, should you be unable to get an order through, and if you're really desperate to get a T50, I've had 3, and have 2 up and running right now. One of which I've barely, barely used, mainly just got it set up and in the mounts (you'll need mounts, not sure if you plan on running a throttle or what your plans are there, looks like you have a WH right now which is good, as the Virpil mounts will fit that throttle). Anyhow, if you're really serious, I'd consider parting with that one of mine, plus the mounts should you want them (and you really do need them, and they're cheap), and not worry about the extra $50. The only catch is I'm in Canada, but sending things such as this as gifts has never been an issue with customs for me in the past (I ran a firearms/training company until recently and moved millions of rounds of ammunition and tens of thousands of firearms up and down across the border so I'm speaking from experience). I suppose that's if you're in Windsor California, and not Windsor Ontario Canada, hard to tell from your profile. Anyway, PM me if you're interested in talking more, be happy to help, the more players that get a chance to experience the T50 the better, I'm SO in love with this stick and mounting system Virpil has come up with, I never thought after 20+ years of being a hardcore desktop unit player (having my arm planted on the desk surface and my stick very much ahead/deep and playing that way forever), that I'd be able to transition to this manner of running a hotas so quickly and easily. I've posted a couple vids (have more coming) of my hotas collection and experience, specifically with the T50 and VKB Gunfighter 2 compared to the WH, Cougar, and CH stuff. Can't endorse the T50 and Virpil's customer service and tech help enough, had help from them within 2 hours of asking and saved me a ton of time with some excellent and accurate advice (my own stupidity which they fixed in about 2 seconds).

Ditto, I have a pair from a couple different makers, tried out different ones for both the Vive and Rift, all have worked really well. As an aside, the pair of Rift lens inserts I have from VR Lens Lab work perfectly in the Samsung Odyssey as well, fit really well.

IMO either get a 2k (not really 2k, but 1440p/whatever) Asus/ACER/AOC Gsync 144hz+ 27" monitor. That or wait for the 4k 120-144hz Gsync from the same. If cost is no object at least, as they will be very expensive, but with amazing specs and stats for an LCD monitor, if you Google them, you'll see why. That said, any 27 to 40+inch 2k/4k will suffice, however having a high hz rate, particularly 100+, makes a HUGE difference for gaming, probably THE biggest difference for an LCD's performance IMO. Gsync can be useful as well, but having 100 to 165hz capability is more important, and I base this off having 4 Gsync gaming LCDs, various Asus, Acer, and AOC variants we've tried over the last few years for all 4 PC gaming stations in our home. If you want a large size, the 34" Asus/Acer Gsync 100hz 1440p IPS monitors can't be beat, I found our last Acer model for $700 used, and they are around if you look. Again, there are many new LCDs coming out, just do your research and decide what best fits your budget and size requirements, then narrow it down from there, and ask more questions here based on that. Good luck!

^^ Sorry for the lack of clarity, plus my own misunderstanding of the actual controllers used. After reading into it some more, Sokol's info is all correct so far as I can tell. The effect is the bottom line though IMO though, and both VKB/Virpil sticks have fare more accurate resolution than any past higher end sticks, and this can be proved by using the various joystick testers IMO as well, where much more accurate test/etc can be done/drawn with the newer sticks.