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Universal military aircraft homecockpit project
Viper1970 replied to Viper1970's topic in Home Cockpits
And the electronics and more old stuff. Most of the old stuff is canabilized and was converted to USB for my old pit. Some of the parts weren't already in good condition as I bought them. But I only wanted to have the grip shells those day back, cause I had no 3D printer. -
Universal military aircraft homecockpit project
Viper1970 replied to Viper1970's topic in Home Cockpits
Ok, here is the truth. And thats only a part of all my HOTAS parts. There are many old used sticks or parts of them too, I collected over the years. -
Universal military aircraft homecockpit project
Viper1970 replied to Viper1970's topic in Home Cockpits
Just ordered 10Kg PLA and 4L waterwashable resin to be prepaired for all the parts . The AV-8B throttle is near finish now. Will show some pics when done. The last two parts will be the Osprey throttle and the manual wing sweep for the F-14 throttle. There will still be some smaller, less complex things to do, like some button caps, rotary caps or even some panel parts, but nothing what takes this much time to model it. Can't believe it, but I really was able to model all the HOTAS I wanted to have. At the beginning I was very, very skeptical about it. The additional parts I use for this project: - A TM TPR rudder system for all aircraft and helos - 4 Warthog throttle systems (one remains original for the A-10, one converted to F/A-18, one converted to F-15, one converted to F-14) - 3 TWCS throttles (one for the Cougar F-16 standalone mod, one for the AV-8B throttle and one for the Osprey TCL) - 1 HOTAS Cougar (throttle will be moded with TWCS, the electronics of the stick and the throttle will be reused for all the collective electronics, the stick base housing will be moded and used as gimbal system for the center stick including Warthog pcb and sensors) - 2 Warthog stick bases (one for the sidestick base and one for the electronics of the Cougar mod center base) - 4 Viper grips (one will remain original, but the paddle switch will be removed, for the A-10 / one will be pimped to match more the F-16C grip, two will spent their electronics for the external grip electronic-box and their POV's and buttons for other grips) - 2 Hornet grips (one will be converted to an AV-8B grip, changing the trim and the castle hats, one will remain original for the F/A-18 / both will be canabilzed of their electronics) - One Virpil VFX grip (also canabalized and the paddle switch removed / the bottom part of the grips shell will be modified and complemented with printed parts to remove the mounting shape of the paddle-switch) - 3 TM XFighter grips (one remains mostly original as standard B8 grip, one will be slightly modified to match the F-5E grip, one will be modified to match the UH-1N Twin Huey cyclic) - One Suncom Talon grip for the F-15 (with Viper grip POV mechanics & buttons) - 4 Cougar MFD's (three or the fighter panel, one remains for further projects / 2 old modified Quickshot Masterpilot MFD's for the helo panel cause the MP have 24 buttons arround the display) - A Fanatec handbrake for the collective lever - one modified TM TCA sidestick as a side stick for Airbus based aircraft - 13 Pokeys 57U boards for all the cockpit and panel electronics - 2 Arduino Pro Micro with MMJoy2 for the 4-engine-quadrant for the big birds (the only control which will not be TM TARGET compatible) And for all the guys who ask themselves how much this did cost in the end, it wasn't very cheap of course. But it's far away from what it would cost to buy all of those HOTAS, especially the helo controls. But on the other side it will be also not that perfect in finish like parts you can buy, however all my HOTAS will be fully programmable with TARGET if needed and even the pit itself is fully programmable. Of course I can also only use simple DXbuttons if there is no need to do more complex programming. But the possibility to be able to really configure also complex POV/button behavior was one of the important things for me. Another thing was to be able to add further controls in future without the dependence of additional electronics once the pit is done. That's the reason I also decided to put the grips/collective electronics themselves outside to a central place for every bases station. The only thing I'm not so happy with, is the need of four Warthog throttles I had to buy. At the beginning I also wanted to make a changeable system for all the throttle grips, but this was much to complex to do, cause there isn't enough space for a LIYY cable from the grips to the base and still be able to move it without bending it too much. The TWCS were very cheap, cause I bought all I was able to get used. Sadly there weren't much used Warthog parts to get at the moment and even if, they should cost extraordinary prices. So I bought all my new parts at one vendor and was able to get a good cut in price. -
Also ich finde das hört sich doch schon mal vielversprechend an. Mir taug sie! Aber ich bin auch kein Eye-Candy Fetischist. Mir ist das Flugverhalten am wichtigsten. Wenn das authentisch rüber kommt (soweit man sowas als Laie überhaupt beurteilen kann), bin ich zufrieden. Wenn dann die Systeme auch noch einigermaßen gut nachgebildet sind, soweit das halt ein Mod zulässt, bin ich voll und ganz glücklich damit. Klar ist es kein HighEnd Modul, aber sie kostet ja auch nix, oder.
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Welche zukünftigen Module würdet Ihr Euch wünschen?
Viper1970 replied to Noodleholz's topic in Deutsch
Na ja, das wird schon... Hab ja mit dem neuen Projekt erst im Februar dieses Jahres angefangen. Andere bauen da 5 Jahre oder mehr hin. Ist zwar kein 1:1 Nachbau von irgend etwas, aber das universell ist halt auch nicht easy. Wenn jetzt der ganze 3D Kram fertig ist, macht den Rest der Drucker (hoffentlich ). Dann kann ich mich wieder dem Pit handwerklich widmen und dann geht's auch vorwärts -
Welche zukünftigen Module würdet Ihr Euch wünschen?
Viper1970 replied to Noodleholz's topic in Deutsch
Also wenn alle Wünsche offen sind dann ganz dringend (inkl. angekündigt - aber kommts auch wirklich noch?) : OH-58D Kiowa AH-1F TOW Cobra MH-6M Little Bird (eher unwahrscheinlich wegen Geheimhaltung) UH-60M/MH-60K Blackhawk UH-1N Twin Huey CH-53E Super Stallion CH-47D/MH-47G Chinook AH-1Z Viper (wird wohl nie kommen - zu neu) UH-1Y Venom (wie Viper) MV-22B (denke auch zu neu) F-14D Tomcat (ja ich weis - schon oft diskutiert) F-15E Strike Eagle F-15C High Quality Modul F-117A Nighthawk F-4J/F-4E/F-4F Phantom II F-8J Crusader F-105G Thunderchief F-104D/F-104G Starfighter A-6E Intruder A-7E Corsair II C-130H/C-130J Hercules Das wäre meine Liste die ich mir wünschen würde. Aber selbst wenn die alle tatsächlich kämen, würde ich das zu meinen Lebzeiten wahrscheinlich nicht mehr erleben, wenn man bedenkt wie lange ein Modul so im Schnitt braucht bis es überhaupt erscheint . P.S: Ach so die A-1H Skyraider hatte ich noch vergessen. Die wäre auch noch toll und natürlich ein Vietnam Szenario -
Null Problemo! War ja auch sehr kurzfristig. Ich wäre halt zufällig in der Nähe gewesen, da wäre sich das vielleicht noch ausgegangen. Aber das wird ja nicht der letzte Stammtisch sein .
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Hättet ihr evtl. noch die Möglichkeit zwei Leute mehr mit einzuplanen (mich und meinen Junior)? Ich weis aber nicht 100% ob ich es schaffe, da ich morgen einiges zu erledigen habe und nicht sagen kann ob es zeitlich machbar ist. Wenn alles klappt wie geplant, müsste es locker drin sein, wenn nicht ... Ich wäre aber sowieso schon in der Nähe von Gräfelfing. Gäbe es die Möglichkeit euch zu erreichen, damit ich nachkommen kann falls es sich raus geht? Danke schon mal im Voraus und Grüße Viper
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Universal military aircraft homecockpit project
Viper1970 replied to Viper1970's topic in Home Cockpits
I will share most of my models with the community when I'm finished with all the parts. I want to do a final inspection of all of them before I start to print them. If the parts are succsesfully printed and really useable, I will share them. If someone likes to have them as a template to built his own controls, just pm me. The only thing I don't want is that my work is being used for making money out of it. I was very low on money by myself most of the time I did this hobby, and I feel up to help anyone to come a little bit closer to his own dream. The shortage on money was also my motivation to start building my own parts for my hobby years ago. As the 3D printers were more affordable, I decided to buy one and start to make the things I did before with a real big effort and rather more moderate success, like all the different HOTAS I ever wanted for my project, once again. As I had no clue how to built things in CAD, I tried to find a simpler way for modeling things. So I came across TinkerCAD and searched for a way to built complex parts with it. The result was a combination of some simple 3D tools I use in conjunction to get my parts done. It's far from perfect and I also have not the intent to built exact copies of the original HOTAS, but it should be as close as possible with my restricted skills, easy to print, relatively simple in function and as cheap as possible. -
Hab ich da schon wieder eine Auseinadersetzung gestartet. Ich wollte eigentlich nur zeigen, dass es einen F-104 Mod gibt, der evtl. interessant sein könnte. Ob er die Erwartungen aller erfüllt, oder ob er was taugt, kann ich nicht beurteilen. War auch nie meine Absicht. Warum manche da so heftig reagieren, kann ich nicht nachvollziehen. Ich mag es auch realistisch, bin aber auch mit Sachen auf FC3 Niveau schon glücklich, bevor es gar nix gibt. Hallo, Flamming Cliffs (sogar das Erste) galt mal als eine der realistischten Umsetzungen von Militär Flugzeugen und jetzt tun manche so, als wäre es ein Arcade-Shooter. Man kann alles auch übertreiben. Klar sind die Möglichkeiten heutzutage andere, aber mal ganz ehrlich, wer hier kann denn wirklich beurteilen, ob z.B. Flugmodell selbst eines High-End Moduls wirklich exakt realistisch ist oder nicht? Von den Hobby-PC-Piloten hier sicher keiner! Und es ist und bleibt am Ende ein Spiel, das zur Unterhaltung dient und Spaß machen soll. Jeder hat da seine eigene Grenze, ab wann es ihm taugt oder eben auch nicht. Deshalb muss man sich ja nicht die Köpfe einschlagen. Und den EF hätte ich mir so oder so nie sofort zugelegt, da ich mit den modernen Jets nix anfangen kann. Dazu zählen bei mir auch die F-22, die F-35 und sogar schon die F/A18E (war froh dass es in DCS eine C-Hornet wurde). Über einen Starfighter, oder eine Phantom hingegen würde ich mich tierisch freuen . Zugegebenermaßen werde ich den Typhoon sicher auch, falls er denn auch wirklich erscheint, irgendwann im Sale kaufen, da ich Jäger und Sammler bin, aber weniger weil er mich wirklich interessiert. P.S: Mir persönlich wäre lieber gewesen Heatblur hätte sich jetzt auf die A-6E Intruder focusiert, statt auf den EF. Aber wie gesagt, jeder hat seine eigenen Prioritäten.
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Wollte das auch nicht hypen. Ich hab es nur gesehen und gelesen das es ganz ok sein soll. Nachdem ich weis, dass einige hier den Starfighter (und auch die Phantom) sehr gerne mögen, hab ich das einfach gepostet ohne dabei irgend etwas pushen zu wollen. Letzendlich kann ja jeder schauen ob es ihm taugt oder nicht. Kommt immer darauf an welche Ansprüche man hat. Sonst würde ja auch niemand mehr die FC3 Module fliegen und die sind schon noch recht populär. Ich mag die auch immer noch gern. Wenn das Flugmodell einigermaßen passt und nachvollziehbar ist (für einen Laien), das Ding auch ein authentisches Cockpit hat, dann ist es ja auch durchaus Mal ganz schön ein nicht super, hyper realistisch umgesetztes Flugzeug zu fliegen. Wenn's natürlich total daneben ist, fliegt's einfach wieder von der Platte.
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I'm pleased that I could help a little bit. Sim pit builders have to help each other in this wonderful hobby.
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Universal military aircraft homecockpit project
Viper1970 replied to Viper1970's topic in Home Cockpits
Did the last rework. The wooden box is now upside down. The lid will be screwed now, no more hinge here. I know that in the end the box wasn't a big idea, but it helps to stint some fillament and printing time . Under the big black plate is enough room for placing some switches. I also reworked the nozzle lever a bit and added an idle detend on the throttle, which must be pulled to reach the idle state. It must also be pulled to get out of idle. It's just a simple cabinet door lock I used (same thing I also use for the fingerlifts of my F-15 and F/A-18 throttles), with an 3D printed handle, which will do it's work only with the help of gravity, stopping at a nose in the bottom plate. No springs used here. I did this also in my old pit at those HOTAS and it really worked fine. The locks are out of metall and they will never break. Only thing to do before you can use them is to remove the spring plate, so that they can fall down without any friction. I like simple things if possible. The holes for the STO stop lever are very close together, although I will only use a 2mm steel needle with a rounded hat in the lever mechanics. This is something I'm not very happy with, but I wanted to have 5° steps like in the real Harrier and also all steps from 35° up to 75°. Since there isn't enough space for long levers in such a desk-throttle (mine are 100mm from the bottom pivot point to the top of the scalar) the radius of the lever console is not as big as in the original. I divided the distance the nozzle lever could be moved in equal sections from 0°-110° and then added the STO stop point from 35° to 75°. The hover stop will be adjustable from arround 80° to 87° with a srew in a slot that holds the stop in place. The piece with the STO stop holes is seperat to be able to renew it anytime it's worn out. The throttle lever will get some Nyogel 767A at all three rails to prevent the sticktion the original TWCS is also known for. Now I have to split some parts to make them better printable, do all the screwings to connect the pieces together after printing and also the whole grip itself has to be done (making it hollow - integrating holes for POV's & buttons etc.) -
Und genau dann sollte man auch Respekt davor haben, wenn andere in ihrer Freizeit versuchen was auf die Beine zu stellen, ohne damit Geld zu verdienen. Es muss ja niemand installieren und vielleicht ist der Mod momentan auch noch nicht so toll, aber das kann sich ja noch entwickeln. Und wenn nicht, was hab ich verloren? Nix! Lösch ich's halt wieder von der Platte und gut is! Keine Ahnung warum man das nieder machen muss!?
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"reicht Hobby-Programmierarbeit nicht" es gibt da eine Simulation die trotz reinem Community-Projekt auf bzw. in vielen Teilbereichen über DCS Niveau liegt, nur mal so am Rande. Und die ist nur "Hobby-Programmierarbeit". P.S: und bei der Arroganz (falls das mit True Grit stimmt) hab ich gleich noch einen Grund mehr den Eurofighter dann mal nicht auf die Festplatte zu lassen. Ist eh nicht mein Ding.
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I like the design. The first yoke which really acts like they do in the big birds. At the quadrant I'm missing the trim wheel (same with the Airbus series). If I would buy those things, I would go for the Honeycomb quadrant (incl. the Airbus throttle set) and use it with the TM Airbus sidestick and this new Yoke.
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Ich finde das auch schon mal einen ganz guten Anfang. Klar ist das Pit nicht High-End, aber was nicht ist kann ja noch werden. Und wenn ich Modder wäre und sowas hören würde, hätte ich echt keinen Bock mehr. Das Zeug muss man ja nicht installieren wenn man es nicht haben will und kosten tut es auch nix. Außerdem ist noch kein Meister vom Himmel gefallen. Ich hab selbst schon mal ein Pit für eine Sim gemacht (also 3D für's Game - nicht HOTAS-Teile) und weiß wie schwierig das ist. So schlecht ist das Cockpit jetzt auch nicht. Gute Texturen würden schon mal einiges ändern.
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Universal military aircraft homecockpit project
Viper1970 replied to Viper1970's topic in Home Cockpits
And a little further with the base and the nozzle lever. Still many things missing . In the end the wooden box will only be the place for the electronics and I still have to print a lot. But not all must be printed and the inside is still better reachable if you open up the lid with the added parts (I don't want to admit that the boxes maybe weren't the best idea) . -
Hab ich grad in Discord im Modder-Channel gesehen. Sieht echt gut aus!
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Here is a 3D model of the Mig-23 grip you can also download. Not so much different from the one of the Mig-21. https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/mig-23mld-flight-stick-855707656b494a63adcc3c0fc8ba19b1
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Viper1970 replied to Viper1970's topic in Home Cockpits
After a while of brainstorming, I decided to make a complete new base for the AV-8B+ linear throttle and I also will do this for the following MV-22A/B linear throttle. The base of the TWCS has not much space to place electronics inside and the original grip pcb's do not fit inside the AV-8B+ grip. Also the TWCS base is a real ugly box and I wanted to have all my throttles looking the same way (the bases should all be simple square boxes), so I decided to buy some small wooden boxes. I already used some similar boxes for my consoles in the pit where I can put the electronics inside and the switches, buttons and knobs on top with a printed faceplate. The one for the consoles have 18.5x18.5x5.5cm and there are more of them arranged in row. If you want to reach the electronics inside of them, you simply open up the lid. Now I ordered two 22.0x13.5x6.0cm boxes to be able to get the TWCS linear throttle mechanics inside those wodden boxes. Originally the "pit boxes" are designed as napkin boxes and the new ones are originally knitting needle boxes . It's really easy to drill holes in them or to do some cutouts with my model-jigsaw. You can place a printed face plate on them an paint the boxes themselves with gray paint. With that printed faceplate they are really very stable and you have not to print a big case on your own, using a lot of fillament and time to print for it. P.S: To get the right weight for the throttle-bases, I will use adhesive weights for aluminium rims from a car components shop. You can glue them inside ( I use hot glue here), wherever enough space is left. The intial stage, so far : Added a third rail with brass friction bearings, I had lying arround from an old printer. The two rails at the bottom and the sliding bed are the original parts of the TWCS. the mounting is a new construction (not finished yet). Edit: I'm just trying to get the switches and buttons which are originaly directly integrated in the throttle parts of the panels of the F-16C and the AV-8B also integrated in my bases. The problem is to get all the functions working with the limited number of available button-functions the TWCS offers. For the F-16C with the GE F110 engine it's possible, cause the max power switch is not functional with this engine. For the AV-8B throttle it's a lot more tricky. I have also to rework the design a bit again, to have the switches placed a little bit more like they are placed originaly. I will also integrate an idle detend here, you have to pull. I hope I can find a good solution with the limited number of inputs, but I want to avoid to use some additional electronics here. Those bases should only be one single device, the same way like the ones which are based on the Warthog bases (F-14, F-15, F/A-18) are. In this case it is a lot easier for sure, cause the Warthog throttles offer a lot of panel switches, but the F-16 and also the AV-8B on the other side, do not have so much switches placed directly arround there throttles. -
Universal military aircraft homecockpit project
Viper1970 replied to Viper1970's topic in Home Cockpits
Starting with the AV-8B+ throttle for the TWCS base. I had already done the shape of the grip a while ago. -
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