Viper1970

Ne ne, wenn das Zeugs fertig ist Schicht. Ich hab alles, zumindest theoretisch, wovon ich immer geträumt habe. Wenn das alles funzt und klappt, dann bin ich damit glücklich bis ich den Löffel abgebe .

Da ist doch so ein Adapter dabei, wenn man sie direkt am USB betreibt, also nicht am TWCS. Der Adapter (TRJ12) der auf den RJ-Stecker kommt. Den kann man umschalten von Gaspedal auf Ruderpedal. Dort ist ein kleiner Schalter dran. Dann gibt es bei TM für diesen Adapter extra auch noch eine Kalibrierungssoftware.

Die Dinger sind ja mal richtig geil und auch nicht teuer! Hätte ich mit dem Overhead für mein Pit jetzt nicht schon angefangen, wären die Teile dafür optimal gewesen . Aber das hätte sich auch wieder summiert und ....

Some more improvements ...

I would also welcome an EA F-15E. I've been waiting for this bird soo long and if not all is functional at the beginning, I'm ok with it as long as the improvemts to the final state always countinue and do not get interrupted for another module.

Another little step further The quadrant with all the levers in different positions to be sure that the levers could pass each other, especially arround the reversers. Now additional things like the TOGA buttons with housing and other detail like cable channels could be added. The throttle will again function in two different configurations. One like Airbus (negative gate for reverse) and one like Boeing (thrust reverser handles). To be able to reach the reverse gate of the Airbus system it will also be necessary to pull the levers, but only to be able to come across the stop-notch in the panel. When the Boeing system is used, there will be an additional bezel at the end of the lever-slots, which will stop the arm exactly a small amount before the stop-notch. So the reversers can be pulled without any blocking. To switch between the two systems a an electrical switch must be changed. In the Airbus position the middle pin of the pot will directly connected to the PCB-board, in the Boeing position there will be the lever pots of each axis connected serial to the thrust-axis. To reach full minimum of the thrust-axis you have two push the thrust lever fully back until it reaches the Boeing-stop-bezel and also pull the reverser fully. Each system must be calibrated seperatly, but I wanted two have the option to use both systems, cause those two basic principle thrust reverse systems are often used in many different aircraft. AND my two Logitech/Saitek quadrants for the overhead have arrived just at the moment. They are really in new, mint condition, completely original boxed. They were bought in June and never used and I was able to get them at a lower price one unit normally would cost . This was such a joy and I'm so happy, cause I only thought about the idea of making the overhead system for the helicopters with such quadrants instead of printing all parts on my own, but was very sceptical what it what cost, especially at the moment with the high hardware prices. So I only wanted to look for the prices of those units and came across the offer of this guy. This saves me a lot of printing .

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Coming closer to the final. And this time much easier and faster to print

Ok, found another old broken SFS throttle in my parts-box I really don't now that I had it. So a total of two broken SFS bases are available for building anything throttle related. As said before I had missed to do all the screwing at my previous 4 engine quadrant and also was not so satisfied with the bunch of big parts that I had to print for this input device to make it come true. Also the mechanics were relatively complex and every single part had to be printed. So I thought, why not make a new version with the use of those two SFS bases, respectively only their mechanics and one of those wooden boxes I also have. This would save a lot of fillament and printing time and also has the advantage of better mechanics. So I started to rebuilt the quadrant. It's an very, very early state at the moment. At the end it should have the same possibilities as the first one, including to be able to change between Airbus and Boeing thrust reverse system, having additional axis for propeller pitch for the Herc and all the first version also offered. I also started with the overhead controls for the helos, which are based on two Saitek/Logitech quadrants I was able to get used very cheap. One will be for the fuel control and one for engine starting and similar depending on what which helo uses. I choose to have three axis for every system, cause I want to be able to fly the CH-53E with this controls also. It does not replicate any existing helo overhead system, but I designed the levers a bit after the BK117, cause I like this design.

I will do one with a display, but first I have to finish the whole other stuff. This will take a while more as I thought, cause I just found a second Suncom throttle base in my parts-box. As the 4 engine quadrant is really complex and will take a lot of time to print (and I have still to do all the screwings also, cause I missed to do them), I thought about constructing a new one with two SFS base-mechanics in parallel and one of those little wood-boxes as housing. The quadrant is the biggest and the most complex part on the mechanical side of all I've done so far and using prebuilt mechanics, saving much time and and also a lot of fillament here could make things a lot easier . I will work at the TEDAC from time to time, but my focus is on the pilot controls first. Maybe a guy who has already made the TEDAC until I'm ready is willing to share his work with me .

The TFT looks nearly exactly the same as the one I'm also having here from my previous pit which was used for the right upper console's engine gauges. There is another one in my cabinet which should better fit, cause it's 4:3 format. But this one can only do 800x600, but I think this should also be ok for the TEDAC. Sadly the old 4:3 are hard to get those days. I bought it for the center bottom MFD in my old pit. The two other MFD's in the panel and also the center gauges were fired by an standard 16:9 TFT behind the main panel.

Also hypen will ich sie nicht. Kann ich auch gar nicht, weil ich sie noch nicht geflogen hab und deshalb keine Ahnung habe wie sie wirklich ist. Das wird wohl auch noch ein Weilchen dauern . Ja ich weiß... Aber von dem was ich sehen kann und bisher in Videos gesehen hab, finde ich den Mod ganz ok. Klar gibt es besseres, aber das ist ja auch erst mal der Anfang. Und ich persönlich freue mich über jedes Community-Projekt, das versucht etwas auf die Beine zu stellen. Mit den reinen "Aussenmodell"-Mods kann ich z.B. gar nix anfangen, aber wenn man versucht das Flugmodell nachzubilden, soweit eben möglich und das Ding ein brauchbares Cockpit hat, ist das schon mal ein Anfang. Vielleicht entwickelt es sich zu einem tollen Mod, wie die A-4 oder die alte MB-339, vielleicht auch nicht. Aber gleich in den Dr.. ziehen finde ich nicht gut und so wird auch sicher nix draus. Wer hat denn da dann noch Lust sich reinzuhängen? Das ist jedenfalls meine Meinung.

There is already such a device available called "Total Controls Multi Function Box", but this has also some switches eg for gear lever, hook and so on, I will not have at my UFC/ICP hybrid. It should really be only a UFC, but the idea behind it is the same. I will maybe also add some functions of the Harrier, the Strike Eagle and the A-10 UFC. It should be possible to use it with all of those aircraft. I know it's not realistic, but this is also the case for the rest of my whole concept of a "universal" pit. The buttons and switches want be at the same place, as they are in the real thing, but this is also the case if someone uses a button box. But it feels much more nice to switch real buttons as it does to activate all the things just with the mouse in the virtual pit. I already did this in my last pit, which was also a universal pit and it worked. It was much, much more complex as this project, but the hardware I used those days 7 years ago was much, much cheaper and I made many things out of used materials or anything that could be converted to a useable part for an homepit. Even if it were only plastic bottle caps put together on top of a pipe to mimic a lever. After some sanding and painting it really looked good . 3D printers where much to expensive for me, back those days. There is my old building plan on page 3 of this whole thread and also some pics of its early state. I dismounted it and disposed it with a heavy heart last year, to go the VR way. But as mentioned before I was not very satisfied with the prospect to be able to fly only in VR without anything real arround you. So the next big project started again and grews and grews and... This concept of being universal useable was even the initial request as I started my first pit back in 1998. Of course the things were much easier back those days, cause the simulations weren't as complex as they are today, but I always wanted to be able to use my pit with different kind of aircraft. Otherwise for me personal such a big project like a homepit did not make any sense. I don't want to be restricted to fly only one single type of aircraft the next coming years. But this has also the big drawback that you never will have the "real" feeling in this pit as it is the case in a replica pit. So anyone has to decide which things are most important to him. For me it's the controls, cause they are the direct interface to the type of aircraft you are simulating to fly and that's the reason I put the most effort on them.

The Apaches throttle is mostly done. Here I have only to smooth out the levers a bit. The rest will be manual drilling work at the base for putting some of the engine-function switches/dials to it. But I've seen that I totally missed all the screwings at my 4 engine throttle quadrant . This must also be done before printing and is a lot of work at this part . On the other side I was just able to get two used Logitech quadrants for the helicopter overhead controls, which saves me a lot of 3D modeling to get the fuel levers and the engine levers for those kind of helos done. Also something I had planned from the beginning and totally missed at all this workload. I will use 3 axis for the fuel system and three additional axis for the engine levers here, to be able to to control the system of a CH-53E also. For other twin or single engine helos with overhead controls I will simply use less of those controls. Here I have only to model a fitting frame for the quadrants and of course also suitable grips. For F-14 wing sweep, I will look if I could make a mechanical system fitting on top oft the original friction lever of the Warthog throttle. The panel for the jets needs an universal useable UFC also, but this will come at a later time. I will try to make a hybrid between the F/A-18 UFC and the F-16 ICP with some additional functions and have also made some plans for it a while ago. A much simpler version is already printed for my command unit. The goal is to be able to do all more basic stuff with the pit itself and for all the special systems using the virtual pit. Some kind of mixed universal input system, like a very big button box. Most of this will only be useable in pancake mode while flying with TIR and the monitors, cause in VR this wouldn't make much sense. As I started this new project I wanted to use VR only, but then quickly decided to have real switches also and the possibility to fly in both worlds, VR or 2D. I love to have real switches and functions since I made my first pit and also wanted to have a little of this again in my new project. Thats why my project is a hybrid.

Starting with the Apache's throttle in the left console. The grips will be completely printed including the levers. Handles and levers will be one part. The rest is the base of an old Suncom SFS throttle. Some buttons and switches arround the throttle will also be added.

Hey Apar, this is an absolutely amazing work you did . If you use the printable POV's that are arround on Thingiverse, they are nearly identical with the one TM used in their FLCS and even in the newer stuff like the WH or the Cougar. I made my holes for POV's 17.25mm in diameter. For the buttons I use, I made holes in 12.5mm diameter for the medium buttons and 7.5mm for the small ones. I use same buttons as in those pics for my HOTAS projects. Not top notch, more far away from it but everwhere to get (eg. ebay).

MV-22B throttle is mostly done. Not my nicest work, but sometimes you have just to come to a finish. Some things at the base itself, respectively at the plate on top, are still missing, but I don't have any desire to do this at the moment. I will now start with the Apache turbine levers and the manual wing sweep for the Tomcat throttle to come to an end. As much as I enjoyed the making of all of those 3D models, I'm really looking forward to do some manual working at the pit at least. After 10 months of continuous 3D building it's enough now. I had to do all the 3d models and also will print them now, cause it's better to have all the shapes of the grips IRL for fine adjusting things related to the changeability of the different controls, as just fiddeling arround with theoretical dimensions. What you get is what you see is a lot better. For sure I will not complete all of them to be functional during the next time, this will take quite a longer while. I just want to have the shells printed for being able to plan all the things very exactly, that are related to the mounting or other details.

No hurry, I just wanted to know if anybody already startet the box where the MFD-Frame is placed on and the grips are connected to. I have enough other parts to finish and the TEDAC isn't needed yet for my own pit. So I can wait .

Einige interessante technische Fakten zur F-104 allgemein. Cockpit ist nicht F-104C-G standard (bevor wieder was kommt ). Der Rest ist aber sehr interessant.

Very impressive work Looks much more professional as my designs always do

I'm just doing the screwings on my Osprey throttle and after this I want to do a little more working at the TEDAC grips. Has any one already started to built the housing for the MFD?

Mich würde echt mal interessieren ob sich das auch nachteilig auf die Augen auswirkt über die Jahre? Also bei den RL Piloten. Ich stell mir das schon schwierig vor sich da ständig drauf zu fokusieren und kann mir nicht vorstellen, dass das über Jahre ohne Auswirkungen im Sehvermögen bleibt. Ähnlich wie ständiges Arbeiten am Bildschirm, nur hat man den ja vor beiden Augen.

Made some progress at the MV-22B controls. The stick is ready now. It's a little bit a "Franken-Stick", cause I don't have a picture of the backside and also added two bottons the original doesn't have (I could also put bezels over the button holes, in case I want to have it more like the original). Also the bottom part isn't like the original is, as with all my grips, cause I use a special system to connect them and therefor all grips have to be adjusted in this section, to be interchangeable. I'm ok with it, cause as said before, I don't have the intention to make exact replicas. They should work mostly like the original and be as close as I can do it, considering the changebility my contols should have and also respecting my possibilities. So they do not have to look like the originals to the last screw and bolt . I know for some guys this would be an absolutely "no go", but for many years we just only had things like the TM FLCS or TQS and similar, which were also far from exact replicas and even the most buyable HOTAS today aren't exact replicas. The throttle is still in the "production-phase" and that's the reason why the nacelle-wheel-mechanics are still looking out of the grip's body . I have to arrange some things and after this will make the thing hollow and integrate the parts. I did a complete rework of the shape of the throttle based on the one you can see at Bugeye Tech's site. I did a simplification arround the backside-buttons and some other areas, to have all of one piece. I like things simple to get them easier printed. Edit: Throttle hollowed and splitted into five pieces. Doing all the screwings will be a nightmare.