Flamin_Squirrel

+10 points for good video. -1 point for landing on a static runway :D

Oh yeah you're very right about that. Don't get me wrong though, I'm not against the idea of early access. In fact HB are probably a good example of how to do things - as you say they're a very small company getting some money in towards the end to get over the finishing line. An advance on business as usual revenue if you will. What VEAO did was to take peoples money before they were ever truly established as a capital injection/seed fund to try and get going. Very different approaches, but sometimes hard to tell the difference until it's all over! Why do you think this type of business should be different to any other retailer, online or otherwise?

It shouldn't carry a risk, but it does - you're relying on good faith that it'll ever be finished. Better than getting nothing at all of course.

I'm not saying they forced me to do anything. I'm saying that early access shouldn't carry any extra risk of not receiving a completed product than if I'd bought it already complete. Again, not referring to Heatblur specifically.

It was a general statement, not directed at Heatblur in particular. No, it's a consumer product not a private sale on ebay.

I can't remember who suggested it, but there was a really good idea for practising: slow time down. When you're comfortable, return to normal.

A bank isn't giving you any money until they've looked into your plans to judge the risk; they'll then set an interest rate accordingly to ensure the potential reward makes it worthwhile. They are making an investment. I think Eldur is right that some companies look at Kickstarter/ early access this way, but we don't have the information or expertise to judge the risk, nor does the reward scale accordingly. We are customers, and shouldn't accept a higher risk than any other consumer product.

The only person I see complaining is you.

The 'don't control pitch with stick' rule applies once you're on-speed and stable. Pushing forward before this is fine, and indeed, necessary as you've found out!

You'd have to do that in a C172 also :)

I've just tried the new version; it's such a good learning tool. Many thanks.

One generator can support the entire electrical load IIRC so I doubt that was the problem. It sounds like a mission computer (MC1 I think) failure to me.

:thumbup: thanks, I was really hoping someone like yourself would do this; looking forward to it!

I was not referring to the F14 specifically; I was pointing out that the terms pre-order and early access are two completely separate things.

No. Pre-order = pay now delivery later. Early access = initial delivery will not be feature complete. You can buy an early access product, pre-order a product, or you can pre-order an early access product. They are totally mutually exclusive. Pre-order is generally fine, it's the early access bit that causes controversy because it's much harder to define what you'll be getting and when.

Nah you're spoiling for a fight and someone took the bait, it doesn't count. I've generally found you to be very constructive, so please stay that way and don't become that guy!

Please don't reduce this conversation to insults. While these conversations can degenerate into a who's who of entitiled idiots, there's value in discussing this topic while it remains constructive/civil. The better the boundaries/expectations of early access are defined, the better for all. No sorry that's not right. Your ticket pays for your access to see the movie; it does not and cannot ensure your enjoyment of the movie. Sure, you can pre-order/sell an early access product, but those are still two seperate things.

You've described a pre-purchase only, not early access. With pre-purchase you're paying in advance for a known product to be delivered on a certain date. The 'contract' if you will, is generally quite clear. While not completely risk free, you usually have recorse if the contract is breached. Paying for a product and receiving an incomplete version up front with the rest to follow later is early access. The risk is higher at the moment, as product completion levels and delivery dates are not well defined, and this is where the problem comes.

Please name one, I'd be interested to see how they work.

Totally agree. "I see where you're coming from OP, but I don't believe a player female player model would be discernible from a male one, and I think ED have more pressing matters to attend to anyway" <--- reasonable argument (even if not everyone would agree with it). "Ha, OP is a lefty pinko feminazi. This is the thin end of the wedge, soon they'll want black lesbian disabled pilot models in DCS" <--- unreasonable bullcrap that says far more about you than the OP and it's totally unnecessary. Wanting this place to be a welcoming place for all isn't about a political agenda, it's about not being an arse.

Where did anyone say 50%? If your response to what you consider an extreme request is an extreme response, how are you any better? Serious question.

Any developer who values their reputation and long term surivial won't do that though. On one hand you have VEAO who couldn't deliver a single relatively simple module, ED on the other who released the Hornet last year and have added content to it consistantly ever since. You do have a point though. Early access is a relatively new concept in the gaming world, and at this stage relies a lot on trust. Expect legislation to tighten up on this kind of thing in the years to come - it's already begun in Germany (they've banned early access with undefined completion dates).

It's not a temperature sensor in the Hornet, it's a proper ice detector - one of those vibrating types that gets dampted by ice accretion, which it can in turn sense (IIRC!) I believe hot bleed air is ported into the engine after the ice detector also, so turning on the anti-ice won't cause a temp rise/melt any ice on the detector. No, I don't believe so, as above. The ice detector tells you that icing conditions exist and that anti-ice is requierd, it does not indicate whether the anti-ice has successfully de-iced the engine.

Turning on heat shouldn't make the message go away.

Thank you!