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Great info, thanks Hiro!

That's an interesting GP-9 retrofit on the PF! According to Y.Gordon, the PFM during ongoing production got the improved RP-21M radar. It's not clear, however, what the impovement was.

That's exactly the point I'm making: There are some more assets up the pipe than mentioned by the post I quoted. Yes, it's going to be a 100D. Fun fact: You could also build an Armée de l'Air Algeria themed map around those two aircraft (Spad and Hun). The Hun could also be used on the Syria map with the TuAF.

I seem to remember reading somewhere that some F-13s also recieved the R11F2-300 motor as a retrofit. Do you know if that is correct? Must have been an export-customer - probably in the Middle East or maybe India. Might even have been the EGAF, don't know anymore.

I do think that ~10% is quite a bit, depending onthe situation. Also, don't forget about the slightly better view outside the F-13 and that it most likely has a little less drag. The main drawbacks should be the low combat-capability (weapons and radar) and the low fuel-load. Isn't that a PFS? The PFx are so confusing as there's a hodge-podge of versions and sub-variants that are impossible to externally distinguish.

With lower weight comes lower AoA required for the same ITR and STR, hence less drag to be overcome by less thrust. The F-13 is widely known for it's best dogfighting capabilities in the whole -21 family by most pilots flying a variety of models, yet not much else. It's already short on fuel when retracting the landing-gear on take-off, it has to rely on GCI and it's combat value is very limited. It's a hell of an aircraft to fly, look at and have fun with, though. It's a MiG-19 with cooler shades on. I think there should be at least one Fishbed out of each generation: One F-13/J-7, one PFM, one MF and the Bis we already have. The two-seaters are also very cool jets and one of those should be useable somewhat as a contemporary to the upcoming Mirage F1BE. With those aircraft, you'll cover 80% of all redfor cold war jets. That's ballpark, so don't quote me on that. I'm not looking at WP air forces here, but mostly third-world tropical paradises with charming young presidents in tailored suits, which is what is a lot more interesting to me than all the Central Europe "Fulda Gap not going nuclear within 3 minutes" pipedreams.

This. And that. If we get a JAG we'll need a sub-variant that can l@ze, so we can use it's utmost potential in conjunction with other modules. Even if it's not fitting 100%, like a GR.

The Magic 2 is arguably the better missile but takes three seconds to come off the rail. JULI is good but will launch in one second.

+1 IIRC it used to be in the first release but somehow vanished in some patch.

It may be worth mentioning that the old AGP-72 was a lot more radar than what a J with a "down" system could offer. That was the case relatively frequently until they fixed the most pressing bugs with the AWG-10A. Only the AWG-10B (mid-late seventies?) made the full potential of the AWG-10 available reliably. Plus the F-4B should be lighter versus the J (like the N is compared to the S). Still hoping we'll be getting VTAS for the late birds - as a ME check-option.

I'm your evil twin, which naturally gave me all the taste I think the wraparound SEA in the back also looks kinda nice - certainly better than the grey bellied jet in front. Is the fancy black noseflash on the Euro One jet a hommage to MN ANG?

That's true, they're looking much better Love the -542 scheme. Especially with the stylized flash. /OT Lance, I think there was a boatload of ANG squadrons flying non-TIESO Echos. The Blacksnakes from FW should be among them. The ANG squadrons generally are pretty interesting with their variety of aircraft and paintschemes. Making squadron-skinpacks that feature SEA, Euro One and Hill One should be really cool endeavours for dedicated skinners.

Great find, thanks! The FL should also be able to carry the GP-9, correct? FL it is, then Ya hear, @WinterH? FL, FL, FL!

BuNo 153915 (Rock River 105) was a B at this time, though: No worries, your input is always appreciated! What I meant with the F-7B is an additional outboard hardpoint: It's kind of a sweet spot between the initial F-13 and the more capable third generation M/MF jets.

Do you mean four pylons as in four pylons on four hardpoints or are you referring to the Monsun pylon, enabling two heaters on a single hardpoint?

The early F-4E should fit into the tail-end of the Linebacker Raids, so yeah, it's *just* okay for SEA missions and it's also very useful for post Nickel Grass Yom Kippur War missions. Not sure if there had even been "proper" IDF aircraft delivered with slats before the YKW. There might have been a hand full. It's not sure what type of Navy Phantom we're going to get. My bet is on a J and the S, but I could be wrong and I wouldn't mind. They're all good choices. The N came to the fleet just after the hot portion of the SEA conflict was over and it streamlined the previously and varyingly upgraded B models into a common variant, incorporating some J features (like the slotted stab and uplocked inboard LE droops). Going down the B line (pun intended) would cover the greatest timeframe from the early-mid 60s, into the 80s with two or three iterations of the B/N. As to the Fishbeds, the only variant I would let out of your list is the PF, as it's too close to the F-13 in terms of capability. Or the really lack thereof. The PFM at least has the improved radar and the gunpod. The MF from my perspective only makes sense once we have one of the earlier models squared away, as it's comparatively close to Bis capabilities.

This is the EQ in France: https://abpic.co.uk/pictures/view/1659703 I had seen a couple of cockpit shots somewhere (some instruments / equipment had been missing there). Edit: Found it. http://les-heros-de-bagdad.over-blog.com/2018/03/le-mirage-f1-eq-en-image.html The site is very interesting. If you can read some French, you might want to consider getting the books.

Your point being? The EDA and M are two different pairs of shoes with the EDA being pretty close to the EQ5/6 and CR/CT, which is what most people would like to see. The *other variants* will be the BE, which is basicly a two-seat CE with 200l less gas and no internal guns.

Lots of PFMs in the Middle East as well. Same. Even though I'd prefer an F-7B with those outboard pylons for additional combat capability over the F-13.

I have a copy of Vlamgat myself, so I know about the embargos in place for the SAAF, which part of my post you chose to ignore. Bummer. The S530F is very much better than the R-3R.

I disagree. The proper opponent of the F1 was the MiG-23. The -21 didn't have the Fox 1 capability to pose a threat to a decently armed (read: non-embargoed) F1 user fielding S530Fs. Non-embargoed SAAF would also have had the opportunity to buy Magic 2s in the late 80s, which would have turned the favor back on relatively equal terms vs the R-60 armed MiG-23s. Yeah. I'll just throw in the moroccan RDY upgrade for the F1. Go, eat some MICAs...

It's not close enough for me. Don't forget about the F-100D, which I'd want to fly out of the Hoas and Da Nang. Edit: Almost forgot about Phu Cat, the Spad and my two favourite chicks: Sandy and Misty.

I can't see why either module would steal any customers away from the other one. Yes, there's a considerable mission-overlap between the two, but I'd hazard a guess that people who are interested in the experience of that mission will end up owning both aircraft anyway. Those who end up buying just one module are probably not giving a toss about the other aircraft anyhow.

Not sure there were too many bombs tossed at all, after the tensions with the Libyans were eased in the early 90s. Operation Épervier seems to have turned mostly into a show of force by that time. If anybody does have a hint on literature beyond "Libyan Air Wars" and "France in Centrafrique", I'd be listening closely as well.

Literally in the first post of this thread. It's about as "multirole" as a microwave oven.