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Will theF-4 come witha record-player instead of a walkman?

Didn't that practise die some time during the F-4D, which was more tailored towards having a crew with clear-cut tasks? RIOs were NFOs from the start, yeah. Some NFOs also became pilots later, though. One example being "Hawk" Smith. There seem to have been different approaches concerning experience levels and crewing, tbh. Some squadrons did it better than others. On many prior F-8 squadrons (or with lots of F-8 folks), pairing experienced and unexperienced crews across one aircraft wasn't unheard of: Nugget pilot paired up with an experienced RIO. Experienced pilot paired with nugget RIO. At some time, with their teeth cut, the nuggets then would start flying together. I believe VF-143 even had an all-nugget crew bag a MiG once. The Dogs weren't prior F-8 users, though.

DSCG should have Dive Toss, which according to Ed Rasimus made a young Lootenant just out of RTU bomb better than him, a Captain with a previous 100-Missions tour in F-105s. DT is similar to the A-4's radar bombing.

There's more to the F than what has been noted so far, btw. The F didn't carry MERs (TERs only). Hence the short clips of a LW F-4 carrying a MER on the outboard pylons are purely fictional (read: a-historical).

No worries - there's a lot of different and often conflicting information on those schemes out there and it's hard to keep track. That's what I thought, too. But the ICE upgrade was done in three distinct stages and not all aircraft made the step from stage 2 to stage 3. 43 aircraft just made stage 2, 113 aircaft made it to stage 3. Stage 1 was just a SLEP (service live extension programme) and the new paint. Step 2 introduced a bunch of stuff (like a new MIL-STD bus) but retained the -120 radar. Step 3 also introduced more stuff and included the -65Y radar. To go on an AMRAAM-spree, you'd need stage 3. BTW: There was a different upgrade before ICE, which was 'Peace Rhine'. It came with a bunch of new toys, including Limas, the HPC "F-15" tank and new RWR hardware.

I think they're called Norm 72 (a variation of the earlier Norm 62 scheme) and Norm 81 - Norm 83 is the Tornado green wraparound scheme: The black noses IIRC also were ICE upgrades, of which two sub-variants existed (actually three, but the first one was basicly a SLEP and the Norm 90 paint): LA and LV. LA -"Luftangriff" (attack) retained the APG-120 and hence the black nose. LV - "Luftverteidigung" (defense) had the APG-65 and hence the beige/ivorycoloured nose. +1 on the Star Wars suits and the grey jacket

The skin shown was a Norm90 scheme aircraft. F-4E in US colours Holloman: F-4F (?) in US colours in Holloman: In Hill grey https://www.airliners.net/photo/USA-Air-Force/McDonnell-Douglas-F-4F-Phantom-II/1448324/L Norm81 tactical camo. Original Norm62 camo for the Gearge AFB aircraft. Yeah, Norm62 is really fugly.

It could also drop sea-mines and a large Bullpup (AGM-12C) would certainly leave a dent in most ships. Not sure if those were carried over into the A-7E, though. A-6A and an A-7 with mines. More mining in progress....

I have the same issue - with the difference that I put them on my HOTAS where the FWD switch position is spring-centered (hence the radio knob won't stay on) and the rear one locks in place (radio knob stays on). I'd also prefer that pushing the key/ button/ switch would mirror a click onto the knob.

I'd say so, yeah. For the most part anyway. They were also transitioning towards F-4s (away from Crusaders) during that rough period. They'd have all-weather/ night capability with the A-6 and lighter attack capability with the A-4.

Moin Chef, am besten legst du dir Discord zu - TS nutzt kaum noch jemand. Zusätzlich sind viele Entwickler auf Discord unterwegs und die eine oder andereCommunityseite ist auch ganz nett.

IIRC that was a USAF loadout. Then again, you'll have over 1000 rounds of 20mm-brrrt internally

W00t, just found this. @Panny thanks for creating the discord! @ak22 thanks for bringing it back on the first page

Since you've brought it up, a bit more info on the external mods of the french Crusader (Crouze), that could also be found on the J: - wing incidence reduced from 7° to 5° - double cambered LE droops - larger flaperon-throw (used to be 23°) with BLC now 40° (some different changes may apply, though) - larger UHT (stabilator) The Crouze could also carry the R530, before it was phased out: They'd also carry Sidewinders and later on Magics.

You don't see Mavericks carried too often, but apparently they were part of the spectrum (AGM-65F):

Ist hier irgendwie nicht angekommen: An Heiligabend auf der FB Seite: Mit der S530F und dem neuen RWR der EE dürfte das Flugzeug in Air-Air deutlich tödlicher werden. DIe S530F sollte so um die 10-20NM Reichweite bringen. Inzwischen haben wir mit der Magic 2 auch eine zweite all-aspect Fox 2. Die S530F wird an allen Varianten verfügbar sein. Der neue RWR der EE wird vermutlich optional werden (anderes, kastenförmiges Fairing am Seitenleitwerk). Die AAR-Fähigkeit sorgt zusätzlich für mehr Missionsoptionen. Ebenso das INS, auch wenn das die meisten Casual-Player wohl eher nicht jucken dürfte. Für die Realisten: Die F1EE war in Gando (Gran Canaria) stationiert und ausschließlich für die Luftverteidigung zuständig. Das ganze kann man halbwegs augenzwinkernd auf der Marianenkarte nachstellen. Die Marianen waren mal im spanischen Besitz. Bevor sie deutsch, japanisch und schließlich amerikanisches Überseeterritorium wurden

Die Inseln nordnordwestlich von Saipan sind ganz interessant für einige fiktive Szenarios. Die Kraterinsel zum Beispiel eignet sich für Jux & Dollerei mit LGBs zu zweit: Einer tossed die LGB tief über die Caldea-Rim und einer guided aus großer Höhe - dazwischen AAA oder eine Crap-SAM, um der ganzen Aktion etwas Würze zu verleigen. Pagan ist ganz nett für Harrier oder WW2-Flugzeuge (oder MiG-21 mit JATO ) und in Maug kann man lustig Schuffe "verstecken"*. Ich platziere da gene ein paar Bohrinseln/ Plattformen als chinesische Pseudobasis. Leider muss man noch immer einen ganzen Jahreswehretat an HARMs verfeuern, bis ein Schiff endlich abgluckert oder zumindest seine Widerspenstigkeit gegen Flugzeuge einstellt... Bin gespannt, ob Pagan auf der ww2-Version der Karte dann ein richtiger Flugplatz wird. * Hat schon des Kaisers Marine gemacht.

The Juliet with the P-420 motor at 19,600lbs in blower wasn't all bad. The P-20 motor was, however. We're getting the P-420.

Das ist nicht Iwo Jima, sondern die Kraterinsel auf der mariannas-Map.

Das mag sicher einen Teil ausmachen, aber das meinte ich tatsächlich nicht: Mir ging es um Kleinigkeiten, wie beispielsweise die GPU oder das Helmvisir, das man hoch/ runterklappen kann. ED wäre beispielsweise kein Zacken aus der Krone gebrochen, wenn man bei der Hornet die Leiter hätte aus-/ einklappen können - und sei es durch das Funkmenü. Was bei der Horper komplett fehlt ist Buffeting. Bei der Tomcat kann man anhand der Vibration selbst "padlocked" etwa wissen, welchen AoA man gerade zerrt. Bei den Elektrobüchsen leider nicht implementiert. Die F-15E scheint da zum Glück in die richtige Richtung zu gehen. Machen! Bald (TM) kommt ja auch die F-4 und von der Mirage F1 bekommen wir auch noch ein paar Variationen. Gibt also noch reichlich interessantes Altmetall. Harrier und Mirage 2000 waren ein paar Jahre lang recht weit von "realistisch" entfernt und die entrüstete Community hat durch steten Tropfen erreicht, dass sich Razbam Leute rangeholt haben, die hier erstklassige Arbeit geleistet haben und die Module jetzt wirklich Spitze sind. Der Harrier hat kein FCS - die Mirage 2000 schon (sogar das beste FCS im ganzen Spiel). Beide Fleugzeuge lohnen sich, wobei ich das Bedienkonzept des Harrier dezent behindert finde.

Schonmal dran gedacht, dass andere Module leichter zu lernen sein könnten? Auf dem vorderen Sitz ist die F-14 ein Kinderspiel, wenn man mit Background kommt. Meiner Meinung nach ist der Kater auch deutlich (!) zufriedenstellender zu fliegen als die Horper. ED-Module sind für mich jetzt auch nicht unbedingt der Oberknaller, weil zu steril. Da haben HeatBlur, Razbam* und auch Aviodev/Aerges deutlich mehr Tiefgang und Detailliebe zu bieten. Ich würde sogar so weit gehen und sagen dass Leute die die F-14 nicht haben, DCS nicht komplett installiert haben. So unterschiedlich können die Ansprüche sein: Mir beispielsweise geht VR völligan der behaarten Ritze vorbei und ich habe dafür lieber einigermaßen anständiges Wetter (wobei hier noch sehr viel Luft nach oben ist). Da gibts nur eins: Schnell und gefährlich leben, die Stable löschen und sich vollends der Achterbahn der Gefühle in der OB hingeben. Im Grunde stimme ich dir zu. Aber wer fliegt schon die Stable? ____ *Wobei es hier einiges an Widerstand der Community bedurfte, bis man angefangen hat, die Qualität hochzudrehen.

You can always nuke a boat. And even if you miss, the resulting wave will leave a mark.

The F-8 had an exceptionally high fuel fraction. It carried around over 9000lbs of fuel internally in the later variants (after the rocket pack was deleted with the F8U-2N/ F-8D, which almost gave another 1000lbs of fuel on top of the earlier 8000'ish), compared to the F-4 with over 12000lbs (about comparable to the Honet*). The F-4 could carry three bags (usually the 600gal centerline-bag for the Navy), but those came at the cost of drag and at least the first couple of versions suffered from heavy g-limits and tiny jettison-windows. The F-8 never flew with external gas operationally. The F-8J could carry two 300gal bags, though (I have only seen flight-test pictures). Think about it this way: The Phantom has two single spool turbojets while the Crusader has one twin-spool turbojet on 75% of the internal fuel. If you think the Mirage F1 is doing well on internal fuel right now, imagine having 200USgal more fuel, a more efficient engine and an even better L/D ratio. _____ *The J79s should be more thirsty than the F404 and the F-4 airframe should have lower L/D than the F-18, so you'll most probably go through the internal fuel quicker than in the Hornet. ====================== Some more food for thought on the F-4E vs F-4J/S discussion (which is a bit misguided IMHO): The Corps and Navy never bothered using PGMs on their Phantoms, as they had dedicated platorms for this job: The A-4 and A-6 in the Corps, the A-4/A-7 and A-6 in the Navy. The Corps and Navy mostly used unguided ordnance during CAS (Corps) or Flak Supression (Navy). The Navy at some point figured out that a fully bombed up F-4 could carry more explosives than an A-4, their dedicated light attacker and supposedly this started a shift in air wing compositions (somebody with more knowledge might shoot this hypothesis down, though). There seems to be a general undertone that the F-4 was a bit too slick to be an accurate (dive)bomber. Might have had to do with the Phantom aircrew's thoughts on dropping bombs and being a crime against their fighter heritage. Haven't heard thoseissues from the Marines, though, so it might have been an attitude-thing with the Navy dudes.

You're certainly correct that by 1979 the F-4S wasn't she sharpest knive around anymore. I wasn't really directing this at you but at the general idea that the aircraft became long in the tooth. I'm just tying to tell the kewl kids that the old lady had a couple of grenades up her purse even at this time As somebody else had written before: To model the F-4 during it's absolute heyday (early-mid 60s) would kind of require modelling it with only crappy missiles and using only crappy tactics.

That is bit of backward thinking, though. The reason why the F-4S came about was the ca$h-strapped Navy running into budget-issues with the F-14 and now having to make-do with a lot fewer fighters than initially envisioned (same for the Marines). Hence the urge to stretch the F-4 a few years farther. If there's SEAM+VTAS, the old girl will have a few tricks up it's sleave. Also, at the time the F-4S came online, the meanest probable foe was a mid-range Flogger or a Foxbat. Both great on paper but somewhat lacky in practice. I wouldn't underrate an F-4S in the early 80s. It certainly has more to it than any contemporary bandit. That only changed when the Fulcrums and Flankers started to come about in numbers, which only happened just before Desert Strorm. Not to be overly pendantic, but there were a good deal of USAF-stock, late-Block F-4Es flying during the latter half of the YKW in the IDF. Bells, whistles and TISEO. Let's not forget that the F-4 gained a good deal of weight during it's lifetime. The Js supposedly had a "heavy nose" compared to the earlier Bs and the Ns didn't have slats but still were a good deal lighter than the S and you'll find pilots who had a preference for that. Fighting a MiG-17 with a J is certainly going to enhance some people's idea of BFM. Gone are the days of putting the lift-vector on the other guy and pulling until they're magicly appearing in one's HUD. And there won't be any magic tricks with the flap-handle... The AF and Navy generally kept to their assigned Route Packs and the USN Packs were arguably a bit "easier", which also was the reason why they had less encounters with MiG-21s, that usually were used in the USAF RPs around Hanoi. By USN standards (certainly to former F-8 drivers), an F-4 was always short on gas. Don't forget that escort missions and airspeeds could be heavily dictated by the strikers. Especially before the ramp-up of the A-6 and A-7, the A-4s were struggling to reach cruisable airspeeds for Phantoms when bombed up. Other escort-missions were just as bad: Vigilantes and Photo-Crusaders were very slick and always had the escorts as bottlenecks for mission-planning. Around the boat or on CAP, the F-4 was always way more fuel critical than the F-8. ==== What's probably usually not being discussed in the Navy vs USAF Phantom discussions is that the Navy had better heaters, starting with the AIM-9D. The IDF used Navy heaters on their AF Phantoms.