Mirage Status

Anyway the Mirage does not have a datalink.

Yeah, i know ;). Some people don't know what GCI is, that is why I putted AWACS too :D.

Oh, so it means that the mirage cant interact with AWACS either?

Oh, so it means that the mirage cant interact with AWACS either?

The mirage does not have any information sharing with anything.

Sorry I must missunderstood. I thought you said that the mirage could not even get communication with awacs

Sorry I must missunderstood. I thought you said that the mirage could not even get communication with awacs

You can talk via radio but no datalink is what I meant :).

Thanks

Some important bugs are missing from your list:

- bugged Close Combat Mode that can cost you many fights: you can't unlock a contact (friendly for example) and relock another one (the enemy)

- radar that resets the elevation if you simply unlock ( not a big problem but can cost you precious seconds and confuse you)

 

 

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Those bugs are not a big problem to me so I did not list them but your are right, they can be annoying :).

Since you are talking about the CCM bug and know stuff, I think I have discovered another serious CCM - bug (boresight related?).

I can lock only once a target with the boresight submode, in order to have a second auto lock I have to change to another submode. Track file provided. During the head on pass I lock the target with boresight, after the U turn, I have to switch to vertical scan to lock him again. Same thing

happens sortly after, I lock with boresight, bogey moves away form scanned area and radar lock brakes, can't achieve a second lock with boresight still engaged. Don't know if this has already reported in the bug area, that's why I post this here to confirm that this is indeed a non reported bug

CCM boresight .trk

Does somebody know exactly why the 2000c carries a so little amount of ordinance compared to its 2000 brothers? Wing size is the same.

For the same reason the first F-16A was carrying only AIM-9´s and now AIM-120´s.

Developing and Improving over time.

But you're talking about technology and type of missiles, I didnt mention that.

I was wondering about the quantity not the type of missiles.

I was wondering about the quantity not the type of missiles.

The 530D is too large to be carried on the wingroot pylons, and launching it there would (since it's rail launched) cause its exhaust gasses to be sucked into the engine intake of the launch aircraft, causing the engine to flame out (*).

You'd need physically smaller missiles, that are ejected first before the missile's motor ignites, such as the MICA missiles with the Mirage 2000-5:

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(*) Based on the experience the Russians had with their MiG-23 and the R-60 missiles being fired from underneath the air intakes:

The 530D is too large to be carried on the wingroot pylons, and launching it there would (since it's rail launched) cause its exhaust gasses to be sucked into the engine intake of the launch aircraft, causing the engine to flame out (*).

You'd need physically smaller missiles, that are ejected first before the missile's motor ignites, such as the MICA missiles with the Mirage 2000-5:

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That's it, very nice explication.

The 2000 is a light fighter/interceptor, this role does not need a lot of missile, the air superiority was supposed to be done by the mirage 4000 that is a bigger plane with more missile but it have been canceled so the 2000 was late upgraded to fill this role.

Ok, but again how is the upgraded Mirage able to carry more? What changed? Plane size is the same.

Matra MICA missiles

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What changed? Plane size is the same.

Missile size isn't the same.

Missile launch type isn't the same.

And what about those pylons in the 2000 5 belly? Could not those be used in the 2000c?

Just trying to understand, thanks for the replies.

And what about those pylons in the 2000 5 belly? Could not those be used in the 2000c?

As was mentioned (about 3 times in the last 6 posts). 530's are rail launched. Mica's free-fall a few feet before firing.

Could they be build onto the 2000C by the airforce? Probably, but if would require a significant frame and weapons computer revision, and was never done because they had the 2000-5... Just as the F-16A is completely different from later blocks. You can't just wack a 120C on a F-16 from the early 80s

No.

I advise reading this https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=147288

As was mentioned (about 3 times in the last 6 posts). 530's are rail launched. Mica's free-fall a few feet before firing.

 

Could they be build onto the 2000C by the airforce? Probably, but if would require a significant frame and weapons computer revision, and was never done because they had the 2000-5... Just as the F-16A is completely different from later blocks. You can't just wack a 120C on a F-16 from the early 80s

Easy mate.

They didnt have the 2000 5 by then. But I understand your point.

No.

 

I advise reading this https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=147288

Thanks.

The air-air part of the module is very good, you can take any F-15/SU-27/Mig-29 in BVR and WVR.

 

And the quality is very high even with the missing features and little bugs.

 

If air-air is your thing take the mirage ;-).

its also a decent as a strike jet. Still hit targets more frequently with the CCIP/CCRP than i do with manual bombing on the F5E.

I cant recall all the "missing features" apart from the M2K not having a A/G radar mapping mode. Then again Razbam cant implement that until ED releases the F/A18C.

For the same reason the first F-16A was carrying only AIM-9´s and now AIM-120´s.

 

Developing and Improving over time.

F-16A was able to carry 120s :)

F-16A was able to carry 120s :)

That depends on many factors, for example the year, the country, etc.

That depends on many factors, for example the year, the country, etc.

I only have the F-16A Block 15 ADF loaned to Italy between 2003 to 2012 in mind...

If I'm not mistaken F-16A "ADF" variant were originally equipped with AIM-7.

Is there any other country with AMRAAM capable F-16A ? (other than MLU upgrade)

Is there any other country with AMRAAM capable F-16A ? (other than MLU upgrade)

If we exclude the upgraded A models, then Republic of china or ROCAF, those F-16 where made to block 20 standard and are just now getting MLU. Keep in mind that MLU is not indicative of AIM-120 capability, it is just a relatively large structural update, so many countries choose to bundle several updates during MLU updates. Additionally, IIRC, in code one magazine they alluded that the Italian F-16 did not have full AIM-120 functionality. As to what was missing? They did not specify and I do not know.

Talking in regards of the Mirage 2000C RDI-5, it was far more capable that the many (but not all) contemporary F-16 in term of BVR and radar.

Other things to consider, Some countries had upgraded/updated F-16 but US did not authorize the sale of AIM-120 other choose to delay the upgrades. So, like many F-16 related things, it has to be looked at in a case by case basis.