myHelljumper Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 Anyway the Mirage does not have a datalink. Helljumper - M2000C Guru Helljumper's Youtube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCK3rTjezLUxPbWHvJJ3W2fA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Posted June 25, 2017 Author Share Posted June 25, 2017 Yeah, i know ;). Some people don't know what GCI is, that is why I putted AWACS too :D. Oh, so it means that the mirage cant interact with AWACS either? Intel Core i5-8600k + Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO | Gigabyte GTX 1070 Aorus 8G | 32GB DDR4 Corsair Vengance LPX Black 3200MHz | Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Gaming 3 | WD Black SN750 NVMe 500GB | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB | WD Green 240GB | WD Caviar Black 1TB SATA 3 | WD Caviar Blue 500GB SATA 3 | EVGA 650 GQ 80+ Gold | Samsung CF391 Curved 32" | Corsair 400C | Steelseries Arctis 5 --- Razer Kraken X Lite | Logitech G305 | Redragon Dyaus 2 K509 | Xbox 360 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Thrustmaster TWCS | TrackIR 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myHelljumper Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 Oh, so it means that the mirage cant interact with AWACS either? The mirage does not have any information sharing with anything. Helljumper - M2000C Guru Helljumper's Youtube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCK3rTjezLUxPbWHvJJ3W2fA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Posted June 25, 2017 Author Share Posted June 25, 2017 Sorry I must missunderstood. I thought you said that the mirage could not even get communication with awacs Intel Core i5-8600k + Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO | Gigabyte GTX 1070 Aorus 8G | 32GB DDR4 Corsair Vengance LPX Black 3200MHz | Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Gaming 3 | WD Black SN750 NVMe 500GB | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB | WD Green 240GB | WD Caviar Black 1TB SATA 3 | WD Caviar Blue 500GB SATA 3 | EVGA 650 GQ 80+ Gold | Samsung CF391 Curved 32" | Corsair 400C | Steelseries Arctis 5 --- Razer Kraken X Lite | Logitech G305 | Redragon Dyaus 2 K509 | Xbox 360 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Thrustmaster TWCS | TrackIR 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myHelljumper Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 Sorry I must missunderstood. I thought you said that the mirage could not even get communication with awacs You can talk via radio but no datalink is what I meant :). Helljumper - M2000C Guru Helljumper's Youtube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCK3rTjezLUxPbWHvJJ3W2fA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Posted June 25, 2017 Author Share Posted June 25, 2017 Thanks Intel Core i5-8600k + Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO | Gigabyte GTX 1070 Aorus 8G | 32GB DDR4 Corsair Vengance LPX Black 3200MHz | Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Gaming 3 | WD Black SN750 NVMe 500GB | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB | WD Green 240GB | WD Caviar Black 1TB SATA 3 | WD Caviar Blue 500GB SATA 3 | EVGA 650 GQ 80+ Gold | Samsung CF391 Curved 32" | Corsair 400C | Steelseries Arctis 5 --- Razer Kraken X Lite | Logitech G305 | Redragon Dyaus 2 K509 | Xbox 360 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Thrustmaster TWCS | TrackIR 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaguara5 Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 Some important bugs are missing from your list: - bugged Close Combat Mode that can cost you many fights: you can't unlock a contact (friendly for example) and relock another one (the enemy) - radar that resets the elevation if you simply unlock ( not a big problem but can cost you precious seconds and confuse you) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Those bugs are not a big problem to me so I did not list them but your are right, they can be annoying :). Since you are talking about the CCM bug and know stuff, I think I have discovered another serious CCM - bug (boresight related?). I can lock only once a target with the boresight submode, in order to have a second auto lock I have to change to another submode. Track file provided. During the head on pass I lock the target with boresight, after the U turn, I have to switch to vertical scan to lock him again. Same thing happens sortly after, I lock with boresight, bogey moves away form scanned area and radar lock brakes, can't achieve a second lock with boresight still engaged. Don't know if this has already reported in the bug area, that's why I post this here to confirm that this is indeed a non reported bugCCM boresight .trk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Posted June 25, 2017 Author Share Posted June 25, 2017 Does somebody know exactly why the 2000c carries a so little amount of ordinance compared to its 2000 brothers? Wing size is the same. Intel Core i5-8600k + Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO | Gigabyte GTX 1070 Aorus 8G | 32GB DDR4 Corsair Vengance LPX Black 3200MHz | Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Gaming 3 | WD Black SN750 NVMe 500GB | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB | WD Green 240GB | WD Caviar Black 1TB SATA 3 | WD Caviar Blue 500GB SATA 3 | EVGA 650 GQ 80+ Gold | Samsung CF391 Curved 32" | Corsair 400C | Steelseries Arctis 5 --- Razer Kraken X Lite | Logitech G305 | Redragon Dyaus 2 K509 | Xbox 360 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Thrustmaster TWCS | TrackIR 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esac_mirmidon Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 For the same reason the first F-16A was carrying only AIM-9´s and now AIM-120´s. Developing and Improving over time. " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Posted June 26, 2017 Author Share Posted June 26, 2017 But you're talking about technology and type of missiles, I didnt mention that. I was wondering about the quantity not the type of missiles. Intel Core i5-8600k + Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO | Gigabyte GTX 1070 Aorus 8G | 32GB DDR4 Corsair Vengance LPX Black 3200MHz | Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Gaming 3 | WD Black SN750 NVMe 500GB | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB | WD Green 240GB | WD Caviar Black 1TB SATA 3 | WD Caviar Blue 500GB SATA 3 | EVGA 650 GQ 80+ Gold | Samsung CF391 Curved 32" | Corsair 400C | Steelseries Arctis 5 --- Razer Kraken X Lite | Logitech G305 | Redragon Dyaus 2 K509 | Xbox 360 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Thrustmaster TWCS | TrackIR 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven (Elysian Angel) Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 (edited) I was wondering about the quantity not the type of missiles. The 530D is too large to be carried on the wingroot pylons, and launching it there would (since it's rail launched) cause its exhaust gasses to be sucked into the engine intake of the launch aircraft, causing the engine to flame out (*). You'd need physically smaller missiles, that are ejected first before the missile's motor ignites, such as the MICA missiles with the Mirage 2000-5: *EDIT* (*) Based on the experience the Russians had with their MiG-23 and the R-60 missiles being fired from underneath the air intakes: Edited June 26, 2017 by Elysian Angel Spoiler Ryzen 9 5900X | 64GB G.Skill TridentZ 3600 | Gigabyte RX6900XT | ASUS ROG Strix X570-E GAMING | Samsung 990Pro 2TB + 960Pro 1TB NMVe | HP Reverb G2 Pro Flight Trainer Puma | VIRPIL MT-50CM2+3 base / CM2 x2 grip with 200 mm S-curve extension + CM3 throttle + CP2/3 + FSSB R3L + VPC Rotor TCS Plus base with SharKa-50 grip mounted on Monstertech MFC-1 | TPR rudder pedals OpenXR | PD 1.0 | 100% render resolution | DCS "HIGH" preset Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myHelljumper Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 The 530D is too large to be carried on the wingroot pylons, and launching it there would (since it's rail launched) cause its exhaust gasses to be sucked into the engine intake of the launch aircraft, causing the engine to flame out (*). You'd need physically smaller missiles, that are ejected first before the missile's motor ignites, such as the MICA missiles with the Mirage 2000-5: [...] That's it, very nice explication. The 2000 is a light fighter/interceptor, this role does not need a lot of missile, the air superiority was supposed to be done by the mirage 4000 that is a bigger plane with more missile but it have been canceled so the 2000 was late upgraded to fill this role. Helljumper - M2000C Guru Helljumper's Youtube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCK3rTjezLUxPbWHvJJ3W2fA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Posted June 26, 2017 Author Share Posted June 26, 2017 Ok, but again how is the upgraded Mirage able to carry more? What changed? Plane size is the same. Intel Core i5-8600k + Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO | Gigabyte GTX 1070 Aorus 8G | 32GB DDR4 Corsair Vengance LPX Black 3200MHz | Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Gaming 3 | WD Black SN750 NVMe 500GB | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB | WD Green 240GB | WD Caviar Black 1TB SATA 3 | WD Caviar Blue 500GB SATA 3 | EVGA 650 GQ 80+ Gold | Samsung CF391 Curved 32" | Corsair 400C | Steelseries Arctis 5 --- Razer Kraken X Lite | Logitech G305 | Redragon Dyaus 2 K509 | Xbox 360 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Thrustmaster TWCS | TrackIR 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
escaner Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 Matra MICA missiles Sent from my Redmi Note 4 using Tapatalk [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azrayen Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 What changed? Plane size is the same. Missile size isn't the same. Missile launch type isn't the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Posted June 26, 2017 Author Share Posted June 26, 2017 And what about those pylons in the 2000 5 belly? Could not those be used in the 2000c? Just trying to understand, thanks for the replies. Intel Core i5-8600k + Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO | Gigabyte GTX 1070 Aorus 8G | 32GB DDR4 Corsair Vengance LPX Black 3200MHz | Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Gaming 3 | WD Black SN750 NVMe 500GB | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB | WD Green 240GB | WD Caviar Black 1TB SATA 3 | WD Caviar Blue 500GB SATA 3 | EVGA 650 GQ 80+ Gold | Samsung CF391 Curved 32" | Corsair 400C | Steelseries Arctis 5 --- Razer Kraken X Lite | Logitech G305 | Redragon Dyaus 2 K509 | Xbox 360 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Thrustmaster TWCS | TrackIR 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrashO Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 (edited) And what about those pylons in the 2000 5 belly? Could not those be used in the 2000c? As was mentioned (about 3 times in the last 6 posts). 530's are rail launched. Mica's free-fall a few feet before firing. Could they be build onto the 2000C by the airforce? Probably, but if would require a significant frame and weapons computer revision, and was never done because they had the 2000-5... Just as the F-16A is completely different from later blocks. You can't just wack a 120C on a F-16 from the early 80s Edited June 26, 2017 by CrashO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azrayen Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 No. I advise reading this https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=147288 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Posted June 26, 2017 Author Share Posted June 26, 2017 As was mentioned (about 3 times in the last 6 posts). 530's are rail launched. Mica's free-fall a few feet before firing. Could they be build onto the 2000C by the airforce? Probably, but if would require a significant frame and weapons computer revision, and was never done because they had the 2000-5... Just as the F-16A is completely different from later blocks. You can't just wack a 120C on a F-16 from the early 80s Easy mate. They didnt have the 2000 5 by then. But I understand your point. Intel Core i5-8600k + Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO | Gigabyte GTX 1070 Aorus 8G | 32GB DDR4 Corsair Vengance LPX Black 3200MHz | Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Gaming 3 | WD Black SN750 NVMe 500GB | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB | WD Green 240GB | WD Caviar Black 1TB SATA 3 | WD Caviar Blue 500GB SATA 3 | EVGA 650 GQ 80+ Gold | Samsung CF391 Curved 32" | Corsair 400C | Steelseries Arctis 5 --- Razer Kraken X Lite | Logitech G305 | Redragon Dyaus 2 K509 | Xbox 360 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Thrustmaster TWCS | TrackIR 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Posted June 26, 2017 Author Share Posted June 26, 2017 No. I advise reading this https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=147288 Thanks. Intel Core i5-8600k + Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO | Gigabyte GTX 1070 Aorus 8G | 32GB DDR4 Corsair Vengance LPX Black 3200MHz | Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Gaming 3 | WD Black SN750 NVMe 500GB | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB | WD Green 240GB | WD Caviar Black 1TB SATA 3 | WD Caviar Blue 500GB SATA 3 | EVGA 650 GQ 80+ Gold | Samsung CF391 Curved 32" | Corsair 400C | Steelseries Arctis 5 --- Razer Kraken X Lite | Logitech G305 | Redragon Dyaus 2 K509 | Xbox 360 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Thrustmaster TWCS | TrackIR 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev2go Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 The air-air part of the module is very good, you can take any F-15/SU-27/Mig-29 in BVR and WVR. And the quality is very high even with the missing features and little bugs. If air-air is your thing take the mirage ;-). its also a decent as a strike jet. Still hit targets more frequently with the CCIP/CCRP than i do with manual bombing on the F5E. I cant recall all the "missing features" apart from the M2K not having a A/G radar mapping mode. Then again Razbam cant implement that until ED releases the F/A18C. Build: Windows 10 64 bit Pro Case/Tower: Corsair Graphite 760tm ,Asus Strix Z790 Motherboard, Intel Core i7 12700k ,Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 64gb ram (3600 mhz) , (Asus strix oc edition) Nvidia RTX 3080 12gb , Evga g2 850 watt psu, Hardrives ; Samsung 970 EVo, , Samsung evo 860 pro 1 TB SSD, Samsung evo 850 pro 1TB SSD, WD 1TB HDD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Posted June 29, 2017 Author Share Posted June 29, 2017 For the same reason the first F-16A was carrying only AIM-9´s and now AIM-120´s. Developing and Improving over time. F-16A was able to carry 120s :) Intel Core i5-8600k + Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO | Gigabyte GTX 1070 Aorus 8G | 32GB DDR4 Corsair Vengance LPX Black 3200MHz | Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Gaming 3 | WD Black SN750 NVMe 500GB | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB | WD Green 240GB | WD Caviar Black 1TB SATA 3 | WD Caviar Blue 500GB SATA 3 | EVGA 650 GQ 80+ Gold | Samsung CF391 Curved 32" | Corsair 400C | Steelseries Arctis 5 --- Razer Kraken X Lite | Logitech G305 | Redragon Dyaus 2 K509 | Xbox 360 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Thrustmaster TWCS | TrackIR 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mvsgas Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 F-16A was able to carry 120s :) That depends on many factors, for example the year, the country, etc. To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojo Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 That depends on many factors, for example the year, the country, etc. I only have the F-16A Block 15 ADF loaned to Italy between 2003 to 2012 in mind... If I'm not mistaken F-16A "ADF" variant were originally equipped with AIM-7. Is there any other country with AMRAAM capable F-16A ? (other than MLU upgrade) Mirage fanatic ! I7-7700K/ MSI RTX3080/ RAM 64 Go/ SSD / TM Hornet stick-Virpil WarBRD + Virpil CM3 Throttle + MFG Crosswind + Reverb G2. Flickr gallery: https://www.flickr.com/gp/71068385@N02/728Hbi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mvsgas Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 (edited) Is there any other country with AMRAAM capable F-16A ? (other than MLU upgrade) If we exclude the upgraded A models, then Republic of china or ROCAF, those F-16 where made to block 20 standard and are just now getting MLU. Keep in mind that MLU is not indicative of AIM-120 capability, it is just a relatively large structural update, so many countries choose to bundle several updates during MLU updates. Additionally, IIRC, in code one magazine they alluded that the Italian F-16 did not have full AIM-120 functionality. As to what was missing? They did not specify and I do not know. Talking in regards of the Mirage 2000C RDI-5, it was far more capable that the many (but not all) contemporary F-16 in term of BVR and radar. Other things to consider, Some countries had upgraded/updated F-16 but US did not authorize the sale of AIM-120 other choose to delay the upgrades. So, like many F-16 related things, it has to be looked at in a case by case basis. Edited June 29, 2017 by mvsgas To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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