Way out in left field here, but WW1?

I know I will probably be stoned to death for posting this but I had to ask. Has WW1 planes been on the mind of any DCS pilots? Trust me, I have Rise of Flight and LOVE the game, but I still believe for the sake of flight and combat, DCS is supreme at bringing that to the table. Since third party maps will be developed and EDGE is on the way, I just see a future for some old fashion guns to guns over a France map. I dont see it being a problem to retrieve the rights or information for such old aircraft, and they are so much fun to dog fight in. Let me know how good or bad this idea is. I love every genre of aviation and would really like to see the original aces brought back from the dead DCS style.

Sure! Why not? But any developer should be familiar with WW1 air combat history and not just technical specifications, otherwise they will repeat the same mistakes that were made before. If I get another WW1 sim where the Fokker Dr.I and Sopwith Camel run down the other scouts I will probably throw myself off a bridge.:book:

http://riseofflight.com/en.

Have you even read the first post?

Sure! Why not? But any developer should be familiar with WW1 air combat history and not just technical specifications, otherwise they will repeat the same mistakes that were made before. If I get another WW1 sim where the Fokker Dr.I and Sopwith Camel run down the other scouts I will probably throw myself off a bridge.:book:

I must say I love Rise of Flight for its era. Having another WW1 sim come out I would not jump at all. 777 seems to really listen to its customers and cruise the forums as their updates are quite frequent. Now the BOS is out of the way for them they are back on full swing too with RoF and have some sort of big announcement concerning ROF and whatever they have up their sleeves for 2015. Not releasing details so have no clue. I own every plane with them plus the packs. Also have that new Russian aircraft too. Whatta beast. I still marvel at how those guys flew those things with nothing but canvas, wire and sticks holding it altogether - and no chutes.

But no, not saying it couldn't be done in DCS but with moden jets, Vietnam era items coming onboard, sea born theaters of operations via the F-18 Suoer Hornet, the WW2 module theater and map with various planes modules ever increasing, I'd say they have their hands full for quite a long time, particularly if they want us to stay fully immersed and in these planes AND have realistic theaters of engagements to do so, which means more work and modules. I think realistic theaters to fly in is important along with era AI enemy and objectives with era targets of opportunity. Flying a P-47D around Georigia or a P-51 without having German railway yards and period houses and factories for perhaps those B-17 and oil raids for the B-24's to get jiggly wit it just doesn't seem to fit right.

They are probably more than well aware of 777 reputation with RoF so that would already represent comperition out of the gates. But with the stuff DCS is putting out concerning the types of planes and their realistic FM's and complexities and eras of flight nobody but nobody has anything close out there in the market - at least in my book.

Now, if they really wanted to jump into a hornets nest have them take on a route down the commercial/civilian aviation road in which is currently being run by a major company who bought the rights to the ever increasing MSFX which is on continued life support after God knows how long they keep patching the decades old engine it runs on, go for it. Plus, license forbids it to be used for "home entertainment" or such. Then you would see a HUGE influx of people turning towards DCS just to get away from the aged MSFS world. I myself flew it and really do miss the civilian flying too but couldn't stand spending more time getting the things to run right with literally hundreds of patches and tweeks and spend more time hair pulling than I literally did flying. Nothing like figuring out runway alignments coming into JFK at night with all those lights and heavy traffic or planing an around the world flight in a small civilian craft. And so far as the other known civilian flight sim out there when it would come to the details of FM, well once again DCS in my book has no competion there either. Just read the forums. But just my two cents. Not flaming anyone, just saying if years down the road they decided to stick their foot in another big project (yeah, it means modeling the entire globe) I see it as a wide open opportunity too yet for them to capitalize on. But for now I'd like them to continue reinvesting their time on projects already in the works to make them even better for us before tackling yet another era let alone what I just mentioned. Developing a modern day commercial/civilian air traffic module would be a huge undertaking but man I just couldn't imagine how it would be if they did! Talk about total realism...as long as they could get the ATC right too...very critical in MSFSX.

The last patch for RoF changes a lot regarding aircraft performance...neither the Fokker DR1 nor Camels outrun an Albatros D3 anymore.

Yes, I am aware of that.:music_whistling:

Have you even read the first post?

My point was this genre is already very well covered.

Really, so is WW2 with the IL2/Stalingrad series and MAYBE the community-modded COD.

What is NOT covered well is HARDCORE modern tactical jets, like the DCS Bug in the works. I would disagree with (if asked hypothetically) to have ED splinter off resources for WW1 projects.

My point was this genre is already very well covered.

But nontheless the OP posted that he already has RoF - so where was the point of simply posting a lonely link without anything else? ...

I agree with Mower. I think DCS should focus on modern day aircraft since the other eras are mostly covered by other sims. But if a third party dev comes along and wants to start making biplanes who am i to say they can't?

But i would not buy it , just like i'm not buying any DCS WW2 aircraft.

Its not out of the realms of possibility thats for sure

I know that we have been approached by two operators of WWI aircraft if we would want to use their aircraft as a reference type for DCS.

I think that for the time being we are concentrating on the couple of jets in production and WW2 / early jet era.

But in the future, who knows we may get around to it, Although I think a Gladiator is more likely before any true WW1 stuff

Pman

Its not out of the realms of possibility thats for sure

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But in the future, who knows we may get around to it, Although I think a Gladiator is more likely before any true WW1 stuff

 

Pman

I'll trade a Nando's franchise for a Sopwith Dolphin! :D

I'll trade a Nando's franchise for a Sopwith Dolphin! :D

You should know better then to suggest such things ;)

Pman

I don't care if they start making WWI models.......but after they do modern stuff first. We still don't have an F-16, 14, European jets and Russian jets.

Not everything is about afterburners and BVR engagements ;)

The trick is to cater for everyone, there is already a good number of modern jets (which take considerably more resources and time to make then pre 1980's aircraft)

Pman

Its not out of the realms of possibility thats for sure

 

I know that we have been approached by two operators of WWI aircraft if we would want to use their aircraft as a reference type for DCS.

 

I think that for the time being we are concentrating on the couple of jets in production and WW2 / early jet era.

 

But in the future, who knows we may get around to it, Although I think a Gladiator is more likely before any true WW1 stuff

 

Pman

The fact they are actively approaching devs is a really good sign.

I've said it before but a great war module or two would be excellent. Hopefully we will see a module or two for DCS before the end of the centenery commemorations on 11/11/18

I know that we have been approached by two operators of WWI aircraft if we would want to use their aircraft as a reference type for DCS.

Interesting.

I would really like to fly a DCS SE5a, it seems from the ROF dev's that the SE5a has probably the best historical references of any WW1 era plane.As Gavagi says it's also worth being aware of the data problems 777 have had, WW1 flight data (if it exists) seems to be a nightmare to interpret.

I do think WW1 era planes are attractive to the casual player, the systems are so basic they're almost pick up and play.

The fact they are actively approaching devs is a really good sign.

 

I've said it before but a great war module or two would be excellent. Hopefully we will see a module or two for DCS before the end of the centenery commemorations on 11/11/18

Well it helps that I am on first name terms with most of them ;)

Pman

A DCS Albie D.III would just rock :thumbup:

A DCS Albie D.III would just rock :thumbup:

Peter Jackson has several...

Personally, I'd like to see them expand on the theaters of combat they have started before they begin new ones (i.e. Korea), but I would find WWI interesting if they eventually got around to it.

Can't see DCS going down the WW1 route for a VERY VERY long time yet, if ever. ROF caters for that market as it is, and does it well. IL2 for the WW2 fans (that's getting a bit dated now !!)

This is a Modern Air Combat Sim and I for one would happily see no WW2 stuff in here either, it detracts from the core of this game.

Time spent on developing WW1/WW2 stuff is time not spent on improving DCS World.

What third party developers do is up to them of course.

While a DCS:WWI plane would be cool, i reckon some aircraft from the 20s and early 30s would make for some cool planes, Hawker Furys, the Boeing Peashooter etc. While there weren't any very notable conflicts to base them off they still would be fun.

I think the advantage of WW1 aircraft from a marketing standpoint is that planes like the Camel and DR1 are household names.

Everyone's heard of the Spifire and BF109 the same goes for the Sopwith Camel and the DR1 Triplane. I think DCS versions of the well known WW1 planes would sell very well.