ANNOUNCEMENT - DCS: MiG-21bis

[Cobra847]

As mentioned earlier in this thread somewhere, can Leatherback Simulations please consider releasing an closed beta for the indiegogo backers or at least a paid for beta. We have waited too long for this bird.

 

We are considering all available options, but it's simply too early to say.

[SkateZilla]

Will the new video be along with the update?

 

Paging Glowing Amraam or Slamraam Productions...... lol

[flanker1]

tears in my eyes! thank you cobra!

 

and if we see the mig-23 one day you will make me cry like a little child. . .

Edited February 27, 2014 by flanker1

[Cobra847]

Question: Are you going to do any pre-order thing, or another Kickstarter thing? Now that things look like they're under way with a good management and PR, I sure would like to contribute, especially since I missed the last one, and it didn't end up with you now in the end.

 

We'd rather not start off another crowdfunding campaign, especially with regards to how long you've all already been waiting for the aircraft to be released.

We'd like to build a repertoire of trust with you, the community, before heading down that path again.

[Hans-Joachim Marseille]

Good morning from Taiwan business travel. Thank you for the announcement. Indeed it confirmed the "speculation" (mods ...). Looking forward to the MiG-21Bis. Please don't drop the MiG-23 like that (while you have Novak still on the team ...). You cater to a certain market segment (vintage Russian fighter plane aficionados, so I'm hoping for a business model of some sorts ...). Carry on.

Edited February 27, 2014 by Hans-Joachim Marseille

[Cornbread]

Dastardly man. :D

 

He now has a name!:thumbup:

[cichlidfan]

We'd like to build a repertoire of trust with you, the community, before heading down that path again.

 

Wise move.

[Pman]

We'd rather not start off another crowdfunding campaign, especially with regards to how long you've all already been waiting for the aircraft to be released.

We'd like to build a repertoire of trust with you, the community, before heading down that path again.

 

I think that is very wise considering and would hope that you do not go down this path again in the foreseeable future.

[Nefron]

I'm getting pumped seeing a few 21s overhead these days.

[Mig-21]

Release date

 

Is the release date the 30th march 2014?

[cichlidfan]

Is the release date the 30th march 2014?

 

From the first post in this thread.

 

Whatever you drama queens. When is this damn thing getting released?

While work has continued at a steady pace during these internal issues, it goes without saying that we are now slightly short on manpower and time has been lost.

 

We are looking at several options for release windows. Do not expect a long delay from the previously announced release date.

 

WHAT!? But you said March 30th?!

At that time, no one expected something this big to occur and hinder our development progress.

We are committed to giving you accurate and realistic time frames.

 

It is what you deserve and what we should be held accountable for. We will see to it that this is the case in the future.

 

But, seriously, when are you releasing?

There will be more info on this soon. Promise.

 

[Scrim]

We'd rather not start off another crowdfunding campaign, especially with regards to how long you've all already been waiting for the aircraft to be released.

We'd like to build a repertoire of trust with you, the community, before heading down that path again.

 

*sipping my tea* Jolly good man.

 

Definitely seems like PR is of to a better start this time around, really makes me think the 21 will come around at last.

[Sel94]

Thanks for all the news, I hope everything works out for you guys!

[Mirtma]

Thanks for the announcement and honouring the IndieGoGo contributors. I look forward to flying the Mig-21

:thumbup:

Indeed. That's great news.

[Dr_Arrow]

Good morning from Taiwan business travel. Thank you for the announcement. Indeed it confirmed the "speculation" (mods ...). Looking forward to the MiG-21Bis. Please don't drop the MiG-23 like that (while you have Novak still on the team ...). You cater to a certain market segment (vintage Russian fighter plane aficionados, so I'm hoping for a business model of some sorts ...). Carry on.

 

These are exactly my thoughts, one aspect of popularity is that Mig-21Bis is really a very novel aircraft in simulations both exotic and iconic. The segment of the market covering vintage Russian hardware (Mig-23, Su-17, Mig-25, Su-24, Su-25, etc.) is quite empty. With Beczl studios, I have hoped that we will have at least one stable high quality company dealing with eastern hardware, while we have 4-5 other companies dealing mainly with western aircraft. Even all the success of ED has been built around Su-27, I think the potential there is still huge and unused. Moreover avionics wise the Russian aircraft are very similar, so a lot of code and knowledge could be shared.

[Agg]

Great news! Im still very much looking forward to the MiG-21, it's just what I need to keep me interested in DCS until the Bug arrives somewhere down the line :)

[JaNk0]

<Swedish>

Stort lycka till med ert nya företag, önskar er mycket framgång efter det byråkratiskt tumult ;)

</Swedish>

Best of luck to your new company, wish you a lot of success after the bureaucratic turbolence ;)

Edited February 28, 2014 by JaNk0

[eurofor]

{Swedish}

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{/Swedish}

 

Well, almost.

[JaNk0]

<Swedish>

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</Swedish>

 

Better?

[T0x1s]

I hope if there will be a beta it should be for everyone so people that noticed mig 21 kikstarter program a week too late still can fly the beast too :D We can do a deal swedish to another swedish :)

[Flagrum]

Public beta, closed beta, etc. and about "considering all options" - what about just the manual? Would it be possible that you release the (preliminary?) manual for the aircraft so that we could start studying already? Would keep many of us probably busy and away from speculating, bothering and generally being annoying! :o)

[Grim_Smiles]

Finally, I hope that Leatherneck (Who came up with that name, anyway? :doh:) is not planning to focus on Western (especially US) planes in the future like anyone else does. This MiG-21 was a first Russian jet to feature full DCS standard, it would be immense shame to be the last one as well (until - if ever - ED makes DCS Flanker).

 

While the concern is understandable (as being a Russian aircraft fan myself I want to see more of them), keep in mind that Blue on Blue multiplayer gets old after awhile. Ask anyone who had the Mustang prior to the 190 AI and the latest WWII stuff in the pipeline. I know for me shooting at other ponies all the time got old.

 

When the MiG-21 is released we only have three options when it comes to multiplayer - fly against other MiG-21s, fly against AI or fly against more modern aircraft that are likely going to smack you around more often than not. While all three can be fun in their own way, they can also get old after awhile. Obviously if you are single player only you couldn't give less of care, but it would be nice to have options for opponent aircraft of the same era for the MiG to fight should one want to take things online. While I'd rather some other 3rd party put out those opponents, if no one else is stepping up to that plate then I don't see an issue with Leatherneck putting out those opponent aircraft. That doesn't mean they leave Eastern aircraft in the dust.

[xaoslaad]

North Korea still operates the MiG-21Bis[1] and we still operate the A-10C and have some stationed in South Korea.[2]

 

I don't think the MiG-21 will be all that disadvantaged against an A-10C and although I'd rather not see it come to that they could one day meet. Hopefully the A-10C's would be fairly well defended against air threats, but just because the aircraft is old doesn't mean it is gone and won't ever face a modern threat.

 

You could easily throw together a mission where MiG-21's are hunting A-10C's while MiG-29S's (also operated by NK, granted the SE)[3] and F-15C's are duking it out for air superiority....

 

Ok, so we don't have a North Korea map. So what. Use your imagination. Sochi is the 38th Parallel. Ready, GO! ;)

 

(There are F-15C's at Kadena[4], They could be there in no time for anyone keeping track of what's in the area.)

 

1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-21#Operators

2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairchild_Republic_A-10_Thunderbolt_II#Operators

3. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan_MiG-29#Operators

4. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_McDonnell_Douglas_F-15_Eagle_operators

Edited February 28, 2014 by xaoslaad

[aaron886]

You could easily throw together a mission where MiG-21's are hunting A-10C's

 

Love that idea. That would be chaotic and exciting. I know where I'd take my A-10... as close to the canyon floor as possible. :) Imagine that scenario with a dynamic campaign! -sigh-

[Scrim]

I think it's the other way around. A-10Cs would be slaughtered by MIG-21s flown by even half good pilots. On the one end you have a radar equipped, Mach 2 interceptor with long range radar guided air-to-air missiles. On the other end you have lumbering CAS planes with short range air-to-air missiles.