Free DCS World Aircraft should be Su25

[Scarecrow]

I reckon the free aircraft with DCS world should now be switched to the Su25.

 

Now that the 25T has had a facelift it will be far more attractive to general public than the vanilla 25. i would bet my reproductive organs that sales of the 25T would easily beat the vanilla 25.

Making the 25T a paid addon will net more sales than the 25. Think of it from a newcomers' perspective, what appeals more the aircraft with a HUD EOS and a TV or one that doesnt have any of those.

 

Folks who have already bought the standalone Su25 could be given a free 25T key and now everybody is happy.

 

DCS world now has a Free Su25 with a lovley 6DoF pit for people to test the sim and that 25T icon screaming "buy me! I'm easier to kill things in".

 

Just my two cents:)

[Suchacz]

Everyone's preferences are highly subjective. For example, I like the vanilla more than "T"

[Mewle]

I think the "t" frog is a better introduction to dcs. As far as new comers are concerned it's almost a half way house between the A10 variants and KA50. It definitely led me to buy both modules then I went pokemon and had to have them all

[Slipp]

I think that you need something more attractive to reel new people in, people who don't know anything about DCS or flight sims.

Something that crowds would recognize, like Mig-29A?

[Scarecrow]

Everyone's preferences are highly subjective. For example, I like the vanilla more than "T"

 

I'm not talking about seasoned flight simmers like yourselves I mean folks who are just starting out. The free aircraft should be more like a demo it should encourage people to buy more. With the free 25T and multiplayer you might not feel the need to buy a module for a long time whereas the 25 gives you a taste but it is devilishly hard when you are new.

 

I love the Frog for its basic feel, it has a romantic characteristic, no gizmo's just dials and a sight.

 

But a newcomer would probably not appreciate the differences and simply see the gadgets.

[Buzzles]

I think that you need something more attractive to reel new people in, people who don't know anything about DCS or flight sims.

Something that crowds would recognize, like Mig-29A?

 

I agree with Slipp. An actual fighter jet would probably have more mass appeal.

 

Thing is, I feel that for DCS World, whatever aircraft it is, it should have a partially clickable 6dof cockpit, just some choice controls like flaps, landing gear and say a draggable throttle.

 

This would be a better representation of the modules, because at the moment, DCS:World AFM isn't something which is readily apparent or easy to show off compared to other flight sims and especially compared to people who don't play them, whereas being able to show interactivity is something that's easy to show off.

Edited March 29, 2014 by Buzzles

[Scarecrow]

I agree with Slipp. An actual fighter jet would probably have more mass appeal.

 

Ahh but I don't want them to have the most appealing aircraft for free, I want them to pay for that;)

[Suchacz]

I think the "t" frog is a better introduction to dcs. As far as new comers are concerned it's almost a half way house between the A10 variants and KA50. It definitely led me to buy both modules then I went pokemon and had to have them all

I agree with you, so do ED guys imho :smilewink:

[joey45]

The only reason why the T-brick was the free aircraft is that it was the only plan that ED owned.

[leafer]

Should have been the A-10.

[Slipp]

Ahh but I don't want them to have the most appealing aircraft for free, I want them to pay for that;)

 

That's exactly why I would give them a Mig-29. :lol:

It is recognizable but nowhere near as appealing to western ( the majority?) market as the US teen series. Bait them with a cool looking fast jet to give them a taste, than sell them what they really want.

 

Su-25T doesn't really scream " Highway to the Danger Zone" to casual gamers, Mig-29 would.

 

 

Interest for flight games is there, just look at how War Thunder is thriving.

But you need to appeal to casual gamers.

[Frostie]

F-22 FTW

[Winfield_Gold]

Su-25T doesn't really scream " Highway to the Danger Zone" to casual gamers, Mig-29 would.

 

This alone deserves credit :thumbup:

[VincentLaw]

I reckon the free aircraft with DCS world should now be switched to the Su25.

 

Now that the 25T has had a facelift it will be far more attractive to general public than the vanilla 25. i would bet my reproductive organs that sales of the 25T would easily beat the vanilla 25.

Making the 25T a paid addon will net more sales than the 25. Think of it from a newcomers' perspective, what appeals more the aircraft with a HUD EOS and a TV or one that doesnt have any of those.

I don't get why some people think the free airplane should be the worst, least attractive airplane in the game. Why not just make the free airplane a biplane like the R.E.8? If they want a jet I guess we can always give them the FI 103R-IV.

[cichlidfan]

Yes. It would benefit ED so much to change the structure of their product. It is probably a good thing someone brought this up because I am sure the thought has never crossed ED's mind.

[joey45]

The only reason why the 25T was the free aircraft was because ED didn't own the others from LOMAC.

[Scarecrow]

Yes. It would benefit ED so much to change the structure of their product. It is probably a good thing someone brought this up because I am sure the thought has never crossed ED's mind.

 

:megalol:

[MariuszDW]

I prefer 25T. Feels a bit like 'heavy metal', and that cabin gives it a better look.

[javelina1]

I think the "t" frog is a better introduction to dcs. As far as new comers are concerned it's almost a half way house between the A10 variants and KA50. It definitely led me to buy both modules then I went pokemon and had to have them all

 

totally agree with this. It did for me. Now I own all of the modules.

[Flogger23m]

The Su-25T is better for beginners. I would also recommend the MIG-29A to become free as well. It offers basic air to air combat, yet is limited compared to the S. Most new players want to play air to air and dog fight. The Su-25 (any type) is a turn off for those new to flight sims.

 

Some people try the Su-25T and think all the planes will behave the same way. An agile aircraft would probably suck more people in.

[Alireza.kh]

i'm agree.the T one has more systems and missiles like

1.shval ,Mercury and Vikhr 2.fantasmagoria (can do SEAD) 3.HUD and Autopilot mods

and after 1.2.8 it will get new 6dof cockpit.

i think flying and oprating T one is harder than vanilla su25 for new pilots (and also for olders).

Edited March 30, 2014 by Alireza.kh

[Napa]

That's exactly why I would give them a Mig-29. :lol:

It is recognizable but nowhere near as appealing to western ( the majority?) market as the US teen series. Bait them with a cool looking fast jet to give them a taste, than sell them what they really want.

 

Su-25T doesn't really scream " Highway to the Danger Zone" to casual gamers, Mig-29 would.

 

 

Interest for flight games is there, just look at how War Thunder is thriving.

But you need to appeal to casual gamers.

 

That's not gonna work because ED doesn't target the mass market or teen market or any other adrenaline junkie market. It specifically targets the niche market of hardcore flight sim enthusiasts. So even a Mig-29 would bring the exact same results or even worse.

 

You for example - You see a specific product online or on the shelf and you don't like it. The reason why you don't like it's because it was not meant for you and that is something a lot of people simply don't get it. But that's ok.

 

Su-25T is there firstly because it was the aircraft that wasn't legally bound from original LOCKON (UBISOFT) and therefore ED could use it as they see fit and secondly it's an aircraft that can appeal to the niche market of combat flight sim enthusiasts (like us).

 

If ED does the mistake one day to start targeting the mass market, the entire DCS world will change dramatically to the worse (HAWX / Ace Combat style).

 

It's all in the marketing of things.

[Buzzles]

@Innerloop

 

Saying that changing the default craft to something more recognisable by the masses will turn the game into an arcade game like Hawx...that's quite a bit of a leap isn't it?

 

Regardless of why the SU25T is the craft, don't forget that DCS:World is a free to play game, precisely to try and attract more people, and the SU-25T isn't exactly the most exciting aircraft unless you're interested in CAS roles.

 

I'm speaking from my own experience, but I found the SU-25 a bit off putting when I first downloaded DCS:World.

 

It was only the strength of third party videos of the A-10C and the P-51D showing all the interactivity that I bought the P-51D, loved it and the AFM and then went and bought others, and now actually I've come full circle and enjoy flying the SU-25T.

 

Although I will admit, it might of been because of the videos I found the Su-25T in World a bit lackluster. I did first load it up expecting a clickable cockpit, and it was only after I did some reading on here and the ED main page I realised it wasn't the case.

 

I'm not a hardcore flight enthusiast, but I'm not a casual gamer either. I suspect there's quite a few people like me to who could be tempted into DCS with a bit more of an interesting introduction through World.

[Hunden Ynk]

But if you're put-off by the T, will you really like the rest of DCS - I strongly doubt it. For me, much of the joy, comes from the act of learning about the unknown.

[SkateZilla]

TF-51D will be added to DCSW in 1.2.8