F-4 Phantom Who Wants it Poll

[DimitryNZ]

Whilst I'd love to see a A-4K Skyhawk (as that was what we in New Zealand had prior to our government scrapping their replacement and the whole air combat wing in general), I would be quite happy with the F-4E Phantom as it is a fast and capable Vietnam-era jet and would be a perfect rival to the MIG-21Bis whilst still remaining a viable threat to modern air and ground units. In additon, it can also take Anti-ground Maverick missiles, Sidewinders, Sparrows, a fair variaty of bombs and a variety of Anti-radation missiles. It would also be an AWESOME multiplayer jet as it is a two-seater jet so you can have your multirole version of Maverick and Goose in this historic fighter ;)

[paulwest84]

F4J phantom would be nice

[Toten]

I grew up with the low level training route between MacDill AFB and the Avon Park Bombing Range over my house. My summers were spent watching F-4s flying over every hour. I dream of this module.

[Spook]

Yeah, the threads a joke, probably why the op is banned. Still, sure would be nice to have this in DCS...

 

 

 

The F-4 Phantom is the air war machine more magnificent, ever designed

[jvanhoog]

The respect I have for the pilots who flew these downtown from Yankee station is huge, crappy missiles and no guns no less! Would be awesome to have in dcs.

[BirdDog]

We need Bombers!! F-111 hell ya.

[mrmach]

The authentic 'Mig Killer' ;)

 

[hayatejp]

It is very interesting to see MIG21 vs F-4

[DieHard]

The F-104 Starfighter would be the Mig-21's equal of the era?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-21

Edited June 12, 2015 by DieHard

[Sierra99]

The F-104 Starfighter would be the Mig-21's equal of the era?

 

Did you mean Equal or nemesis?

[TaccoZ__Amigo1__]

I'd love to see an F-4! but rather an F-4N (Navy version, smokeless engines, no gun but SUU-23 gunpods) or even an F-4J than only an F-4E because it wouldn't have carrier ops. I'd love to see an F-4D or G or even an F-4E Terminator 2020 for ground attack. But as a fighter we definately need a navy F-4!

Anyways, any Phantom would be absolutely great though, wether it is F-4B/C/D/E/F/G/J/K/M/N/Kurnass/or any other export version

 

By the way: The Luftwaffe F-4F ICE had an AN/APG-65 and could carry AMRAAMS

Edited August 11, 2015 by TaccoZ__Amigo1__

[Jacks]

If I had to choose a nemesis for the Mig-21 it would have to be the English Electric Lightning.

 

Can't wait to see the lightning in DCS and I would love to see Leatherneck sims to model it given the standard of the mig-21. :thumbup:

 

Jacks

[zaelu]

If I had to choose a nemesis for the Mig-21 it would have to be the English Electric Lightning.

Jacks

 

How many times they fought each other?

[RoflSeal]

If I had to choose a nemesis for the Mig-21 it would have to be the English Electric Lightning.

 

Can't wait to see the lightning in DCS and I would love to see Leatherneck sims to model it given the standard of the mig-21. :thumbup:

 

Jacks

 

Maybe for MiG-21F but no MiG-21bis.

 

for later MiG-21s, their nemesis are late F-4 Phantoms and Mirage V/Neshers.

[Jacks]

Never but isn't that the point of of a simulator?

 

They certainly squared up to each on numerous times during the height of the Cold War. We are talking about a 'cold' war era scenario, because it never developed into a full conflict. Surely this means that the majority of the mig-21's opponents never actually saw action.

 

People are interested in the Cold War era of simulation to play the what if scenarios especially given the current map options.

 

So I personally think that the east vs west dogfights and engagements between aircraft that never actually fought will be the most popular.

[Frostie]

Never but isn't that the point of of a simulator?

 

They certainly squared up to each on numerous times during the height of the Cold War. We are talking about a 'cold' war era scenario, because it never developed into a full conflict. Surely this means that the majority of the mig-21's opponents never actually saw action.

 

People are interested in the Cold War era of simulation to play the what if scenarios especially given the current map options.

 

So I personally think that the east vs west dogfights and engagements between aircraft that never actually fought will be the most popular.

+1

With opposition and how many times they've faced off taken into account that would probably put the F-15 as a MiG-21 rival.

 

That being said though i'd really love to see the F-4 as much as any.

[TaccoZ__Amigo1__]

Maybe for MiG-21F but no MiG-21bis.

 

for later MiG-21s, their nemesis are late F-4 Phantoms and Mirage V/Neshers.

 

I don't think you're right, for the bis it should be an F-4B or something even earlier, remember: Late F-4s have supreme look-down-shoot-down capability, they can also carry slammers

[Frostie]

I don't think you're right, for the bis it should be an F-4B or something even earlier, remember: Late F-4s have supreme look-down-shoot-down capability, they can also carry slammers

 

The super upgraded Phantom can carry AIM-120 while the same can be said about the 21 and R-77.

[Python]

Well we're getting a Lightening, this makes me very happy. But there is plenty of room for an F-4 in DCS also so bring it on...

[WinterH]

As far as I know, late F-4s don't carry slammers, rather, later upgraded ones do (German and Greek ones). Different from late production versions. In the same way, like Frostie said above, MiG-21 and F-5 too got similar upgrades down the line, but in all 3 types, these are late, country specific and not too numerous in comparison to overall production.

 

If there would be an F-4, personally I would much prefer it to be F-4E. Carrier ops doesn't mean much to me, at least not enough to justify not getting the definitive version of a very iconic multirole fighter :). F-4E has slats, a gun, Mavericks, and down the line even some LGB capability I guess (well at least it used some early targeting pods).

[RoflSeal]

I don't think you're right, for the bis it should be an F-4B or something even earlier, remember: Late F-4s have supreme look-down-shoot-down capability, they can also carry slammers

 

MiG-21bis entered production in 1972 (according to Wiki) so that's inline with the slightly earlier F-4J (or if you want USAF/Isreali Airforce/internal cannon, F-4E), had look down shoot down capability but still used the Great White Hope.

Edited August 11, 2015 by RoflSeal

[JimmyBlonde]

Yes!

 

Phantom phorever!

[TaccoZ__Amigo1__]

The super upgraded Phantom can carry AIM-120 while the same can be said about the 21 and R-77.

 

 

I know abou the Bison, the LanceR the -93 etc. but we were talking about an opponent for the MiG-21BIS

[Frostie]

I know abou the Bison, the LanceR the -93 etc. but we were talking about an opponent for the MiG-21BIS

 

Yes but suggesting a late variant F-4 doesn't mean a specialised Slammer and Hornet radar carrying variant.

 

Like the MiG the ARH upgrades only came about after the aircrafts had expired their use in their original airforces.

 

I think the definitive Phantom maybe the F-4E though i'd rather see the Navy version.

Edited August 12, 2015 by Frostie

[King_Hrothgar]

A 1970's F-4E (with mavericks) would be my pick. I suppose an F-4J would be an acceptable stand in for an F-4E but why not just do it properly to begin with? As for the whole cold war thing, I prefer to simulate actual wars rather than make believe ones. The F-4 fought the MiG-21 on many occasions across multiple versions of both planes. The same is true of the Mirages and F-5's. Even the F-104 faced them in combat but the EE Lightning? I'm not sure. VEAO has it on their development wishlist anyways, so not much point in arguing for it.

 

I should probably mention the F-4E isn't at the top of my wishlist. I prefer attack helicopters and single seat fighters/attackers. I'd mostly go for it for the sake of its wartime significance from 1960 to 1990.