DCS Bf 109K-4

[Bewolf]

Well, that 109 ist just porn. So looking forward to have a go in her.

[Solty]

Anyone has some roll-rate curves for the 109?

[SilentGun]

Omg!!! I need more videos of this bird... I need some motivation to pre purchase!

[MAD-MM]

I read on a great german resource (deutscheluftwaffe.de) no Cockpit Picture of Serial producted 109 K is available.

The only known Cockpit Pictures are pre producted 109 k and a emergency landed 109.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLVVRAN48Rc

On the DCS build variant we have two Switches for the Werfergranten21 (Rocket-Tubes), one for Arming the second one for Switch between Mk-108 and Wfr.Gr.21.

The BF-109 Manual says for Production variant the Switches are canceled ("Entfeinerung" spare Parts and no longer needed)

question what is now correctly?

[GriffonBR]

The DCS 109K4 page is up, and I don't know if someone already realized that the 3D model section is showing "3D model of Fw 190 D-9" instead "3D model of Bf 109 K-4":thumbup:

 

http://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/products/kurfurst/#826067

 

By the way, nice job one more time ED, can't wait for these module too.:joystick:

[9.JG27 DavidRed]

thx for the info!

reading through it, i now have a new desktop background:

 

[Ewertsp]

Omg!!! I need more videos of this bird... I need some motivation to pre purchase!

I dont need to see anything! I just need sagepay/paypal working ASAP! :D

[SilentGun]

Hey does anyone else notice that the hud box is a little smaller than the actual K-4

[jermin]

What did you mean by HUD box?

 

I do notice that the cockpit frame of DCS K4 is different from the drawing posted above.

 

It can be clearly seen from

(at around 0:22).

 

The A pillars are tilted inwards at the joint points with the dash board. But it's the opposite in the drawing.

 

And the side boards are tilted way too outwards. This makes the cockpit quite roomy, which is not correct.

 

The cockpit of DCS K4 reminds me of the K4 in IL-2, because it has all its (false) characteristics .

 

The most correct modelling (structure-wise) of the cockpit of Bf 109K-4 I've ever seen is the K4 created by Flight Replicas for FS 2004:

 

[Kurfürst]

Just some random picture of a guy testing electricity in the 109G cocpit, but I abolsutely love it.

 

Hundreds of other nice 109 pictures at to kill time until November :)

[Mainstay]

Looking at the ingame cockpit pictures i notice that the Leuchtpistole (Signalpistol) is in the holder. I hope this is not the default setting in the cockpit.

 

Can someone from ED or one of the testers confirm this is optional like it should be?

[Maler]

with a gun can be to shoot.

[Sturer_Guenther]

Hey Guys, will we have the ability to switch between MG151/20 and the 30mm MK108? Would prefer the 20mm against other Fighters.

 

Greetings Guenther

[LukeFF]

Hey Guys, will we have the ability to switch between MG151/20 and the 30mm MK108? Would prefer the 20mm against other Fighters.

 

The K-4 was not fitted with a 20 mm nose cannon.

[Kurfürst]

It could mount 20mm gondolas though. It would need be checked if the firing scheme could be altered during flight, iirc it could be but I would not say it for sure before checking the manuals.

 

In any case there were two fire triggers and iirc the default setup was fuselage (108+131s) guns mapped for the MG muttons and and wing guns (2cm cannon) on the cannon button.

[DB 605]

Some books even say that all K4's were delivered with MG 151/20 wing cannons. I think i've never seen any pictures of K4 with wing cannons tought.

[jermin]

What I want is two MK 108 gundolas

[Maverick-X]

Are the wing mounted cannons confirmed? I guess they will have to feature them at some point, and perhaps in 20 and 30mm? But the Fw190 is missing its rockets at the current state so perhaps the gondolas will have to wait aswell? :-(

[Sturer_Guenther]

The K-4 was not fitted with a 20 mm nose cannon.

 

 

i read that some Pilots switched back to the 20mm because of her better muzzle velocity, accuracy, ammo mount, rof and recoil.

 

Same with Galland, he was the first with two 13mm instead of the 7,92 and that in an e version of the 109. So individualising the plane was a big thing with the 109

[WinterH]

I think Galland preferred to fly Emil for a while longer for quite the opposite reason, he wanted to keep 2 x 20mm guns, even with their low muzle velocity and low rate of fire. Back then, new Bf-109F which he didn't exchange his Emil for, still had the 7.92mm cowl guns instead of 13mm ones.

 

Back when I was flying Il-2 series a lot, and was better in gunnery, I could snipe engine or cockpit with fairly regularish consistency with 109F and G-2, which had one high velocity motorkanone and 2 x 7.92. I never quite liked 13mm on that title, and so far with Dora in DCS when I deplete 20mm it feels almost as good as I'm out of ammo, especially more so for air to ground. Though, seeing how difficult it can currently be to damage aircraft, I don't think rifle caliber weapons would go a long way here before revamping of damage system.

 

VEAO has on their roadmap Emil, Hurricane and potentially early Spitfire versions, which either has, or completely rely on rifle caliber machine guns for armament, I wonder how will it look whenever they release :).

[flare2000x]

MK 108, MG151/20, wing pods, I don't care. As long as I'm flying a Spitfire it's all good. 2 Hispanos are fine with me.

[Highfox]

Pre ordered the BF, hopefully I'll be able to free up some time and get back to these great DCS modules.

[Friedrich-4B]

I think Galland preferred to fly Emil for a while longer for quite the opposite reason, he wanted to keep 2 x 20mm guns, even with their low muzle velocity and low rate of fire. Back then, new Bf-109F which he didn't exchange his Emil for, still had the 7.92mm cowl guns instead of 13mm ones.

 

There's more than likely another reason Galland preferred the 2 20 mm cannon of the E to the single weapon of the F.

 

The MG 151/20 didn't arrive until the F-4; until then the F's were armed with either the MG FF/M (F-1) or the 15mm MG 151 (F-2). While the 15mm ammo had a higher muzzle velocity than that of the MG 151/20, the MG 151 didn't have the destructive Minegeßpatrone shells that could be fired by the MG FF/M & MG 151/20: (from MG 151 & 151/20 weapons manual)

 

 

 

[WinterH]

Well that was what I was saying actually, instead of higher rate of fire and muzzle velocity, he opted for more destructive potential, even with disadvantages like MG FF/M having low muzzle velocity, low rate of fire and being staggered in wings instead of centered around the nose :).

 

I know that MG 151/20 didn't come until 109F-4.

 

I guess we can also add to MG FF disadvantages that, they were carrying quite a low ammo reserve.

 

I am getting rusty with my WW II armament knowledge though, while it is a bit off topic here, I wonder if outer wing MG FF in Fw-190A were replaced with MG-151/20 for later mark Antons or not?

[JST]

I am getting rusty with my WW II armament knowledge though, while it is a bit off topic here, I wonder if outer wing MG FF in Fw-190A were replaced with MG-151/20 for later mark Antons or not?

 

Yes, in some model they were removed completely, and if I'm not mistaken the A-7 introduced outerwing MG151's, along with the A-8 that also had replaced the outer wing MG151's with Mk 108's in dedicated bomber-destroyers.