Virtual Patriots L-39

[magpie]

A few weeks back....when VP's version has been in development for 2 years. Sorry but that isn't cool at all IMO.

 

+1

[derelor]

It had been in work for 2 years? And? It was pretty slow on the news updates till a few weeks ago...

+1

[Snoopy]

It had been in work for 2 years? And? It was pretty slow on the news updates till a few weeks ago...

 

Once again you twist and turn posts. What about EDs news updates? Until the last news letter they have been few and far between but we the community have been told "don't worry, we're working on the F/A-18, trust us."

 

So it's ok for one developer to remain virtually silent but not another?

[magpie]

It had been in work for 2 years? And? It was pretty slow on the news updates till a few weeks ago...

 

Are you trying to say ED didn't know about the L39 project until a few weeks ago? I'm pretty sure they were aware, everyone who reads these forums knew about it...

[NineLine]

Once again you twist and turn posts. What about EDs news updates? Until the last news letter they have been few and far between but we the community have been told "don't worry, we're working on the F/A-18, trust us."

 

So it's ok for one developer to remain virtually silent but not another?

 

 

When the agreement is between those 2 parties, its up to them to discuss all this isnt it? And it sounds like it was discussed. What am I twisting?

[NineLine]

Are you trying to say ED didn't know about the L39 project until a few weeks ago? I'm pretty sure they were aware, everyone who reads these forums knew about it...

 

No, not at all...

[Tango]

It had been in work for 2 years? And? It was pretty slow on the news updates till a few weeks ago...

 

Slow on (public) news does not make development non-existent.

 

I can't say more due to NDA (believe me, I'd love to tell).

 

Best regards,

Tango.

Edited September 8, 2014 by Tango

[NineLine]

Slow on (public) news does not make development non-existent.

 

I can't say more due to NDA (believe me, I'd love to tell).

 

Best regards,

Tango.

 

 

Which is the point here, this is between you and ED to discuss, not sure why its even up for discussion on the forums when most hear have little to know information...

[Snoopy]

Which is the point here, this is between you and ED to discuss, not sure why its even up for discussion on the forums when most hear have little to know information...

 

Because it looks bad, because it makes the community and I'm sure other 3rd party developers believe if this happened once it will likely happen again so why would they develop for DCS World?

 

How can you not see that? You have a developer who has invested 2 years of money and time into a project to find only a few weeks ago it was all for not? No company in their right mind would take that risk.

[zaelu]

Someone said that some virtual squads made planes that did not share with community. To me the L39 by VpjT looked like one of those mods. Sorry... The FB page was full with pics of the team enjoying their mod with almost exclusive formation flying and aerobatics.

 

When I saw Tango being on full throttle coding system after system for the other Team I thought this project (L39 by VPjT) was... let to die.

 

Anyway... This silence is no good. Silence means all can happen. I like how the other project is advertised by many wip info.

 

Sorry for VPjT. I hope is not a financial disaster.

 

For us the comunity is not like we don't get the plane... We get one with multiplayer cockpit capability and with good quality.

 

PS

If a team wants to be sure they make a deal for exclusivity. How is made in FSX? There all are equal... MS doesnt produce anything so 2 teams can very well build same aircraft in complete sicrecy.

Edited September 8, 2014 by zaelu

[Tango]

You're a moderator... saying "it's between VPJT and ED to discuss" doesn't help. You make it appear that we didn't.

 

Facts as we know them:

 

* VPJT started L-39 dev 28 months ago (complete with officially licensed 3rd party developer contract)

* ED announce their own L-39 last week

 

I don't think there is much to discuss.

 

Best regards,

Tango.

[Python]

Which is the point here, this is between you and ED to discuss, not sure why its even up for discussion on the forums when most hear have little to know information...

 

Some third party developers out there have the same info as us however (none) Assumptions will always be made and it doesn't look great from the outside you have to admit. It may put off future investment into DCS which would be a shame for all of us.

 

edit, Paul is too fast...

[NineLine]

Because it looks bad, because it makes the community and I'm sure other 3rd party developers believe if this happened once it will likely happen again so why would they develop for DCS World?

 

How can you not see that? You have a developer who has invested 2 years of money and time into a project to find only a few weeks ago it was all for not? No company in their right mind would take that risk.

 

Looks bad on the outside, but you dont know all the facts. But I know thats not good enough for you. Nothing I can do there.

[simis]

What is there to discuss? ED has posted it in their newsletter, they are dev. A l-39 that everyone just found out about a week ago. It's shady..

[magpie]

Which is the point here, this is between you and ED to discuss, not sure why its even up for discussion on the forums when most hear have little to know information...

 

Because some of us care about the guys who have worked on these projects and take an interest in where and what we spend our cash on

[NineLine]

Because some of us care about the guys who have worked on these projects and take an interest in where and what we spend our cash on

 

 

And naturally assume ED is the bad guy....

[Taproot]

Because it looks bad, because it makes the community and I'm sure other 3rd party developers believe if this happened once it will likely happen again so why would they develop for DCS World?

 

How can you not see that? You have a developer who has invested 2 years of money and time into a project to find only a few weeks ago it was all for not? No company in their right mind would take that risk.

 

Make sure that what Paulrkiii said here is quoted on every page from now on... Cause that's what many of us are thinking.

[Snoopy]

Looks bad on the outside, but you dont know all the facts. But I know thats not good enough for you. Nothing I can do there.

 

I never claimed to, but you just made my point for me. If I was a 3rd party and was thinking about tipping my toe into DCS world I wouldn't because of how this looks on the outside.

[Anastasiuss]

I see the last update 03.09.2014 https://www.facebook.com/TheVirtuals/posts/10153155485086040

 

before that 21.08.2014 https://www.facebook.com/TheVirtuals/posts/10153118134416040

 

before 02.01.2014 DCS: L-39 UPDATE BY SILENTEAGLE https://www.facebook.com/TheVirtuals/photos/a.10150095035061040.309230.123630916039/10152524774451040/?type=1

...

That was on facebook, but those were updates or not?

 

back to work, While interesting here, but I still have to work:-)

Edited September 8, 2014 by Anastasiuss

[Tango]

When I saw Tango being on full throttle coding system after system for the other Team I thought this project (L39 by VPjT was... let to die.

 

Whilst I'm sorry you thought this, it was not the case. SE was working like crazy every waking hour when he wasn't at work. I was fitting stuff in between development of other projects.

 

"Let it die" we certainly did not.

 

Best regards,

Tango.

[magpie]

And naturally assume ED is the bad guy....

 

I'm not assuming anything, I'm only replying to the information that's available..

[Snoopy]

I see the last update 03.09.2014 https://www.facebook.com/TheVirtuals/posts/10153155485086040

 

before that 21.08.2014 https://www.facebook.com/TheVirtuals/posts/10153118134416040

 

before 02.01.2014 DCS: L-39 UPDATE BY SILENTEAGLE https://www.facebook.com/TheVirtuals/photos/a.10150095035061040.309230.123630916039/10152524774451040/?type=1

...

That was on facebook, but those were updates or not?

 

In this very thread on 2 September. Right after the ED news letter was released this thread was moved from "Community News" to "DCS Mods"

 

A systems programming update:

 

Complete ADF radio simulation. This doesn't just include the wandering needle and general inaccuracy of the direction finding circuitry, but a COMPLETE simulation of the entire system.

 

List of features:

 

* Simulation of A1, A2 and A3 modulation of the ground station

* Highly accurate BFO tuning mode (yet another simulation first AFAIK)

* BFO mode ident (A1 modulation)

* Audio mode ident (A2 and A3 modulation)

* Accurate BFO tuning capability (characteristic hetrodyne when tuning)

* Sense and loop antennas modelled

* Comparator circuitry modelled, including simulation of cardioid signal pattern in loop antenna

* Automatic DF mode (comparator based)

* Accurate manual DF mode, including accurate signal peak simulation/nulls

* Stations can overlap and interfere with reception

* Accurate analog tuning - no digital on/off selection of the station

* Signal strength is affected by multiple conditions (range, altitude, weather conditions, time of day, accuracy of tuning)

* Coastal effect

* Night effect

* Weather (thunderstorm will cause needle to point away from station, and humidity can affect the signal)

* Static noises and clicks from simulated lightening strikes during thunderstorm and general noise

* Another cool feature that shall remain secret for now... ;)

* Manual and automatic mode for dual ADF approach (single receiver/RBI, dual-head tuner)

* Complete simulation of auto mode for dual-ADF approach

 

Stay *ahem* tuned *ahem* ...

 

Best regards,

Tango.

[Tango]

Let me remind the community of another fact - the MiG-21 has been in development for I think 5 years now... we have been 28 months.

 

If you think these things happen overnight, you're gravely mistaken.

 

Best regards,

Tango.

[SkateZilla]

I think everyone needs to go back to their corners for a lil bit,

 

All of a sudden we have everyone arguing over this, that, and the 3rd,

 

and Add in the Users that have no idea what's going on adding their assumptions and blanket statements into the mix.

 

It's turned into one big Schoolyard finger pointing marathon.

Edited September 8, 2014 by SkateZilla

[GeorgeLKMT]

the MiG-21 has been in development for I think 5 years now... .

 

1. The current MiG-21 has been in development since roughly the beginning of 2013.

 

Not implying anything, just straightening up the facts.