Why won't my gears go up when I take off ?

[Cobra847]

You guys can be very confusing. ;)

 

You want realistic steering without assists because it is more realistic.

You don't want to operate the gear per the exact realistic specifications of the real aircraft, because it's a pain? :P

 

We don't have resources to do tons of permutations of controls or control macros (e.g. the aforementioned release cap, release, release auto).

We are making changes as we go along to the control and mappings, but we can't please everyone (actually, noone in the team even has a TM WH atm)

Edited October 16, 2014 by Cobra847

[Winfield_Gold]

You guys can be very confusing. ;)

 

You want realistic steering without assists because it is more realistic.

You don't want to operate the gear per the exact realistic specifications of the real aircraft, because it's a pain? :P

 

We don't have resources to do tons of permutations of controls or control macros (e.g. the aforementioned release cap, release, release auto).

We are making changes as we go along to the control and mappings, but we can't please everyone (actually, noone in the team even has a TM WH atm)

 

love the reply mate :)

 

+1

[G00dnight]

basically its a sim or it isn't. as far as i'm concerned if it is done that way on the real one then thats how you do it, no ifs no buts if you don't want to or can't be bothered then why are you here..it is a simulation not a press one button does all game, If you want that go play BF4 or warthunder or world of warplanes which are all brilliant simulations of a game...

[zaelu]

You guys can be very confusing. ;)

 

You want realistic steering without assists because it is more realistic.

You don't want to operate the gear per the exact realistic specifications of the real aircraft, because it's a pain? :P

 

We don't have resources to do tons of permutations of controls or control macros (e.g. the aforementioned release cap, release, release auto).

We are making changes as we go along to the control and mappings, but we can't please everyone (actually, noone in the team even has a TM WH atm)

 

Agree!

 

Thing is that one can say..,. "Oh is just a small issue"... like this gear up thing... but can't see that other might find the dozen buttons the radar require and wants a simplification...

 

Other will want automation for chute release... etc etc

 

 

then what?

 

Then we have a FC3 module while we all wanted a full simulation. Can't be OK this.

 

I am OK if resources are available to have modules with "game mode" for casual players but lets not forget that primarily we wished for this plane and the other in DCS series to be a simulation not a simplification of the real thing. :joystick:

[bart]

You guys can be very confusing. ;)

 

You want realistic steering without assists because it is more realistic.

You don't want to operate the gear per the exact realistic specifications of the real aircraft, because it's a pain? :P

 

We don't have resources to do tons of permutations of controls or control macros (e.g. the aforementioned release cap, release, release auto).

We are making changes as we go along to the control and mappings, but we can't please everyone (actually, noone in the team even has a TM WH atm)

 

Well, I for one want a SIMULATOR, as close to the real aircraft as is possible within the constraints of DCS, and that is exactly what you guy's have given us.......and I for one love what you have done with the MiG-21, all the way down to the dirty canopy, grubby cockpit, chipped paint, and complex systems. It feels so real, and the BEST module in DCS to date.......by far!.

 

I consider DCS a flight simulator.......NOT a game. Every module is a different challenge to fly and that is what I love about it and keeps me coming back for more and more. If it were a game, where all modules are essentially the same except for the external views! I would be looking elsewhere for a challenge. The only modules I have are the harder, difficult and realistic modules.

 

I have on several occasions gone to raise the undercarriage on the MiG for it not to retract......was that the modules fault?......NOPE, it was all mine for not concentrating on the correct checklist and lifting the little u/c lever locking plate first :doh:

 

As for the devs.........just keep up the great work and attention to detail you guy's put into the MiG and incorporate that into your next module, and you have one happy customer here for a very long time. You guy's........rock.

 

Thing is that one can say..,. "Oh is just a small issue"... like this gear up thing... but can't see that other might find the dozen buttons the radar require and wants a simplification...

 

Other will want automation for chute release... etc etc

 

then what?

 

Then we have a FC3 module while we all wanted a full simulation. Can't be OK this.

 

Agree with this........that's why I don't have FC3. I'm not knocking it at all, but like I said earlier, I go for the realism and complication of DCS. Each to their own, but the MiG is a simulation of the real aircraft, yes it's complicated and complex, yes it's hard to master, and yes you need to invest time into it to get anything out of it, that's what makes it so damn good.....

Edited October 16, 2014 by bart

[lmp]

How about we add some more key combos:

 

- extend arm toward gear handle

- grab gear handle

- release gear handle

- move hand back to throttle

 

... which need to be used before and after moving the gear lever. Because, let's face it, the pilot has to do all those things too ;).

 

Seriously though, to all the poster worried we're trying to "ruin the realism". We're not. We're exchanging our ideas as to how to streamline the user interface part of this simulation. The part that will always be very artificial because we don't all have a MiG-21 cockpit at home. Instead we use flimsy devices such as a keyboard and a mouse to operate all the systems and so all the things a pilot has to do have to be split into bindable actions. All we differ about is how we want those actions split.

 

Do I want the gear handle to automatically return to the neutral position? No, that's a thing a pilot might realistically forget and it carries important consequences. On the other hand, a pilot simply wouldn't be able to press the chute release button without raising the cap, while I can press my key combination perfectly fine and I have no feedback that the cap is still there unless I look at it. Thus I personally believe it would be better if the release chute key combination automatically removed the cap, while still retaining the option to flip the cap manually. You can agree with me or not, and I'm certainly not demanding that LS caters to my wants, but I do not understand the criticism that this suggestion "makes it unrealistic". Certainly not more than axis curves and deadzones or central trimmer mode in Ka-50...

Edited October 16, 2014 by lmp

[pj]

I just use the mouse for everything - clickable pit...

[cichlidfan]

If you air start and never land, you can probably ignore many of the controls in the cockpit. :P

[xxJohnxx]

I just use the mouse for everything - clickable pit...

 

I use a mix of both. For example, when taxiing onto the runway I flick the landing gear safety switch up. Done, I won't have to worry about that for the reminder of the flight anymore. In the same moment I also turn on the landing lights.

 

After lift-off, I raise the gear by using a 2-position switch on the Warthog. (Could also use a key bind for that).

 

Once reaching a safe altitude I star an after take-off checklist/procedure. This is not very urgent, I don't have to do it at 50m AGL just after I retracted the gear. I do it when I have time for it.

During the after take-off procedure it takes two seconds to turn the landing-lights off and put the gear lever into neutral. Easily doable with the mouse.

 

During landing, a couple of kilometres out I use the same 2-position switch (which I used to retract the gear earlier on) to extend the gear. No problem at all there.

 

I don't really see why you need any simplifying for this.

 

This is one of the things flying is about in my eyes. The airlines call it CRM (Crew Resource Management). It is unimportant if you are alone in the cockpit of the MiG-21 or having a 4 man crew in an Mi-26, do the tasks you need to do when you can do them. Most of the things can wait a minute or two.

[Buzpilot]

I just use the mouse for everything - clickable pit...

 

+1 Only key combo we really need to memorize is RCtrl +L, for Torch light, if it's complete dark.:smartass:

But , I have Hotas warthog, and i like all the buttons, and use right CM button to remove cover for Flare, and push CM to use Flare, for instance.

For the lock pin, I usually just remove it before taxiing. With mouse click.

Edited October 16, 2014 by Buzpilot

[mpdugas]

You guys can be very confusing. ;)

 

You want realistic steering without assists because it is more realistic.

You don't want to operate the gear per the exact realistic specifications of the real aircraft, because it's a pain? :P

 

We don't have resources to do tons of permutations of controls or control macros (e.g. the aforementioned release cap, release, release auto).

We are making changes as we go along to the control and mappings, but we can't please everyone (actually, noone in the team even has a TM WH atm)

 

There are very few true simulators out there; it looks like your MiG-21 will join that rarefied atmosphere if you hold to your original vision.

 

Personally, I'd rather see you pursue the BMS 4.32/A-10C standard, but that's just me.

 

In either case, your Mig is heads-and-shoulders over the Captain Sims version, which was pretty heady stuff in its day...

 

You can always dumb-down a true simulation to a survey or arcade mode; it's pretty hard to do the converse.

[Flagrum]

This tread is disgusting.

 

Allright then, I like the caps to open automatically ... So I go and play BF4.then ............

[Koekemoeroetoe]

Why is it always such a bitchfight about what way is the best way to play? Some like their sims as true as possible, some like their sims a bit less complicated, and some like it FC3 level.

Why make such a problem out of this? Everybody's got their own preferences, no need to smear the forums with these endless discussions.

 

Baseline now is that Leatherneck does not have the resources to make multiple 'sim levels', so the MiG is as it is, take it or leave it. Ofcourse input is welcome, but I'm personally getting really tired of seeing these endless discussions over and over again...

 

To remain a bit on topic: I personally like the MiG the way it is, with all the (unlogical) complex thingies :) But ofcourse, if LNS has the resources and time, why not make some simplifications for those who desire it.

[Mizzy]

You guys can be very confusing. ;)

 

You want realistic steering without assists because it is more realistic.

You don't want to operate the gear per the exact realistic specifications of the real aircraft, because it's a pain? :P

 

We don't have resources to do tons of permutations of controls or control macros (e.g. the aforementioned release cap, release, release auto).

We are making changes as we go along to the control and mappings, but we can't please everyone (actually, noone in the team even has a TM WH atm)

 

Please don't listen to what I say, I am useless at all this hardcore sim thingy stuff, but then again I am a woman and we are not supposed to understand these things ...are we :-)

 

Seriously, you have done enough to simplify things for me as I use game mode, I just can't get my head around all this switchy twitchy stuff, it gives me plane management tension !

 

Mizzy

[Golo]

Please don't listen to what I say, I am useless at all this hardcore sim thingy stuff, but then again I am a woman and we are not supposed to understand these things ...are we :-)

 

Seriously, you have done enough to simplify things for me as I use game mode, I just can't get my head around all this switchy twitchy stuff, it gives me plane management tension !

Mizzy

 

I dont see the reason to simplify anything in DCS modules. They are chalanging to grasp and that is why we are here.

For me personaly it is fun to figure out the systems, how they are working and how to operate them.

One time you will learn how to start it, another how to take off, land, operate radar, BFMs and so. After each step there is sence of accomplishment and it feels awesomly cool.

 

You dont need to learn all the systems in a day, it is not even possible and it has nothing to do with you beign a woman. Nobody was born with the tech. knowlege to operate aircraft like that, we all started at exactly 0.

 

Just give it time and read through any manual/s, Some may have lot of free time so thay will learn lot in month or week, nobody said you have to do it at the same time.

[Snacko]

I have a button mapped on my joystick with the Saitek software that first sends the Safety switch keystrokes, then sends the gear up keystrokes.

 

Be careful with this on the ground as you will put your gear up (which is why there is a Safety Switch in the first place).

[Vinny002]

Hi, guys!

 

I really enjoy flying the complicated mig-21! When I took off yesterday, I forgot to remove the safety pin, no wonder the landing gear won't go up, I released the safety pin, trying to get the gear up, no joy, then I ejected from the mig-21, and then I get a new plane. No big deal.

 

Cheers,

Vincent

[Mizzy]

Hi, guys!

 

I really enjoy flying the complicated mig-21! When I took off yesterday, I forgot to remove the safety pin, no wonder the landing gear won't go up, I released the safety pin, trying to get the gear up, no joy, then I ejected from the mig-21, and then I get a new plane. No big deal.

 

Cheers,

Vincent

 

hahaha...yes indeed, no big deal, love it :-)

 

Mizzy

[krazybiskit]

don't know if it still exists or not. but me mindful if you are using the "easy flight" mode.. if using that mode you can lift the safety switch and retract the gear but nothing happens. you cannot use that mode and have functional landing gear. hope that helps

[Mizzy]

don't know if it still exists or not. but me mindful if you are using the "easy flight" mode.. if using that mode you can lift the safety switch and retract the gear but nothing happens. you cannot use that mode and have functional landing gear. hope that helps

 

It does help thank you.

 

Mizzy

[Mizzy]

This tread is disgusting.

 

Allright then, I like the caps to open automatically ... So I go and play BF4.then ............

 

Not helpful !! By the way, I think you mean 'thread' but I appreciate English may not be your first language.

 

Mizzy