DCS World 1.5 and 2 Discussion

[SkateZilla]

No idea..

[Flagrum]

How can it be about the Mi-8 when the other guys said it reads like this? I'm a bit confused now.

Because it was a reply to a question regarding the Mi-8. See http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=2381234#post2381234

 

But overall, googletranslate only barely allows one to understand the whole context, but it seems to me a somewhat specific topic that was discussed there (perhaps ground handling of the Mi-8 -> tyres vs surface -> not eactly as good as in ArmA as a dedicated ground warfare sim).

[OnlyforDCS]

Yeah, now that I translated the question (in google translate) it appears that the answer is to temper expectations with regards to what the new engine can and cannot do. In other words, don't give us any more heart attacks Silver Dragon!!! (Just joking any tidbit of news or information is welcome :))

[NineLine]

Guys please don't clog this thread up with discussion of a poorly translated quote from the Russian forum... Work is on going and steady with EDGE/NTTR, its not always smooth, but its looking awesome, I hope everyone will see that soon.

[Vivoune]

Personally I'm not expecting a huge LOD in the like of Arma, I just want enough to be immersed visually and offer some practical applications for gameplay. But I certainly had to revise and lower my expectation when I saw the EDGE videos. Towns, bases and assets looks great, lights feels nice and it all opens for great immersive FX.

 

The mountains and geography map seems to be drawn in a very rough & blurry way though, that offers no sharpness nor terrain detail. That plus the one type of cloud we've seen so far (although they do look great on their own! but there's plenty more cloud variety that could come into the picture) make for average graphics in my humble opinions that failed to impress me. I already posted that opinion a few months back but only got myself a permanent 30% warning and a deleted comment as a result. I'll risk it once more hoping that mods understand it's just a healthy and honest opinion on videos that are only WIP anyway.

 

Look at the NTTR map in DCS World 2, pre alpha video from Wags for example at around 5 minutes:

 

 

That's not a terrain or clouds that particularly shine in comparison to other (moded) sims that are a decade old. But it is only WIP, I hope they can keep on working on it and level up the terrain detail and cloud layers, what a blast that would be, not to mention the possibilities for Combat Arms. :)

 

That said, if it's a matter of HDD space, they shouldn't be afraid to go for big numbers, most big games are past the 50 Gb nowedays and future games are past the 100 in some cases. Also, I'd prefer a much bigger map with less detail, that a much tinier one with a better LOD, eye candy is always incredibly immersive and pleasing, but at the end of the day we're only here for the gameplay and authentic experience ED gives us.

Edited April 24, 2015 by Vivoune

[NineLine]

In most cases your are not seeing the new clouds, as well, the focus of NTTR is NTTR, areas around NTTR will have lower quality textures. But as always... treat any videos and such as WIP and dont pass final judgements until its in your hands.

[rcjonessnp175]

In most cases your are not seeing the new clouds, as well, the focus of NTTR is NTTR, areas around NTTR will have lower quality textures. But as always... treat any videos and such as WIP and dont pass final judgements until its in your hands.

 

To be honest that is the best thing we can do right now, wait until we have hands on it. In meantime some aspects should be discussed in regards to the new engine. It's only healthy I think.

[Vivoune]

Indeed, we're just discussing, not judging, most certainly not condemning ^^.

[NineLine]

Indeed, we're just discussing, not judging, most certainly not condemning ^^.

 

Thats fine... maybe your wording threw me...

 

failed to impress me.

[OnlyforDCS]

....The mountains and geography map seems to be drawn in a very rough & blurry way though, that offers no sharpness nor terrain detail. That plus the one type of cloud we've seen so far (although they do look great on their own! but there's plenty more cloud variety that could come into the picture) make for average graphics in my humble opinions that failed to impress me......

 

.......Also, I'd prefer a much bigger map with less detail, that a much tinier one with a better LOD, eye candy is always incredibly immersive and pleasing, but at the end of the day we're only here for the gameplay and authentic experience ED gives us.

 

So which is it? More detail or bigger maps? Beacuse you seem to be contradicting yourself in the very same post. Like Sith already said (and it has already been said multiple times) these are all WIP and ED is busy finding the right balance between map size, LOD, performance etc. All the videos we have seen so far are incredibly impressive, but I guess that is just my opinion...

[Vivoune]

So which is it? More detail or bigger maps? Beacuse you seem to be contradicting yourself in the very same post. Like Sith already said (and it has already been said multiple times) these are all WIP and ED is busy finding the right balance between map size, LOD, performance etc. All the videos we have seen so far are incredibly impressive, but I guess that is just my opinion...

 

That is not contradictory, I was merely stating that in case one is exclusive of the other that scale is then more important to me than LOD. In any case I trust in ED to provide us with a quality experience as per usual, in due time. But just because something is WIP doesn't mean we can't discuss it nor form and communicate opinions, like you just did. ;)

Edited April 24, 2015 by Vivoune

[siipperi]

In most cases your are not seeing the new clouds, as well, the focus of NTTR is NTTR, areas around NTTR will have lower quality textures. But as always... treat any videos and such as WIP and dont pass final judgements until its in your hands.

 

What? This is clearly how lodding works in that version of DCS. For sure we can push it via setting "hax" however.

[NineLine]

What? This is clearly how lodding works in that version of DCS. For sure we can push it via setting "hax" however.

 

Huh?

 

The point is, taking a picture out of a video does nothing for us, we dont know the state of the project at that point, we dont know how optimized it is, we dont know where the shot was taken, was it in an area with lower res textures? Did he have some effects on that might cause the distance to be blurred, what were his graphics settings, were the graphic settings even working at this point... on and on...

 

or the short answer... WIP.

Edited April 24, 2015 by NineLine

[Python]

It is also possible wags had to dial down the detail to get it running smooth enough for a public video at this stage, we just don't know until we see the final product.

[SkateZilla]

MPEG4 compression, flash compression, ..

 

W...I....P....

[cichlidfan]

MPEG4 compression, flash compression, ..

 

Which is one of the reasons that I don't get excited, or disturbed, by what I see in videos or screen shots. Another is that it really only matters what it will look like, and how it will run, on my machine.

[mig29movt]

MPEG4 compression, flash compression, ..

 

W...I....P....

 

 

Wait, wait, wait are you trying to tell me that WW2 was already fought in COLOR? :shocking:

[Ultra]

Wait, wait, wait are you trying to tell me that WW2 was already fought in COLOR? :shocking:

 

Lol that's a good one :D

[badaboom]

Hoping for a News letter....with News,Soon.

[vicx]

That's not a terrain or clouds that particularly shine in comparison to other (moded) sims

 

This is not a direct comparison that can be made.

 

DCS World is more ambitious in many areas than other sims and you must accept that visual fidelity tricks that would work on a pure flight sim will not work and the types of rendering done in other engines will have problems scaling.

 

I personally feel that when it comes to DCS, simulation fidelity should trump visual fidelity every time and I am a lot less interested in Edge than I am in DCS World 2.

 

It might be more sensible to see Edge as an upgrade to improve sim performance which frees up cpu cycles for new DCS World 2 features. If it looks pretty that is just a nice extra. Just my opinion.

[Feuerfalke]

simulation fidelity should trump visual fidelity every time and I am a lot less interested in Edge than I am in DCS World 2.

 

That's odd. I always felt that visual fidelity supports simulation fidelity - at least as long as we fly planes with windows and fight targets that are more than a blip on the radar.

[Mr_Burns]

I think it's really tough, if you are flying CAS and helo or CA you want massive ground detail, if you are flying fighters perhaps improved clouds, still good ground detail but perhaps not to same extent. But with a sim that delivers both at the same time.

 

Ever since I can remember I wanted this combat simulator, maybe one day a persistent war, but it's cutting new ground and SSD is the type of new ground hardware it can use to push the limits so use it. I bought an SSD for DCS.

 

As previously mentioned, GTA is 60gb, bf4 is 28 gb so yeah, we need to start thinking not just GPU, cup and ram but also optimum specs include a dedicated 250gb SSD. Perhaps you can take this and use a dumbed down version for those not wanting the high level detail you can only get by down loading 100gb plus?

 

Understand SSD is only a faster HDD and you can still use them fine, perhaps I should have focused my post on a larger storage requirement being standard for future games and change mindset on making software smaller.

 

Remember we had games on 1 disk, then 5 disk, the one CD then multiple CDs then 1 DVD and then multiple DVDs. It's how it rolls.

[Nedum]

MPEG4 compression, flash compression, ..

 

W...I....P....

 

Hm does compression not working for the cockpits in those vids?

The "compression thingie" is not the way why something is looking like it looks.

I believe that we are all can see what is compression and what not or will someone really say that only in the DCSW 2.0 vids compression is working?

I myself can see what is compression and what not, and even more if the cockpits looking realy good. ;)

I doubt that there is a only outside (F2) compression.

WIP? For sure!

Compression the reason why? Hell no!

[SkateZilla]

Compression, motions distortion, gaussing, whatever.

 

W.I.P.

[OttoPus]

Just a question for mods:

 

- the only official info are those stated in the first post (or newsletters AFAIK)

- every question asked about DCS 2.0 is replied with "the only official word is in the first post"

- every request for updates is inhibited

- NO official (or un-official for that matter) response from the team ever came in this thread

 

I wonder what the purpose of this thread is.

 

Wouldn't be better simply to comment with a thread the single piece of info/video/whatever when they are officially published instead of a huge post filled with nothing?

 

And maybe let this thread be as info-only with the first post and nothing else.

 

This, or some rules must be changed. At least some official response or insight every now and then, otherwise this thread is simply put useless IMHO.

 

Just my 2 cents