Leatherneck Simulations Monthly Update - January 2015

[KEULE]

The biggest issue is that the F-14 would 'almost' require 2 seat ability which is not in DCS yet and from the last update post by WAGS it isn't coming anytime soon. It was supposed to come with the L-39 but that feature appears to be pushed back. Mind you, if it is the F-14, it is quite a way out yet anyway. I know LN said "we won't have to wait till 2016 for the next module" but I think they are being rather optimistic with that estimate, especially if it's dependent on a feature from ED.

 

There is already 2 seat ability! Just refer to the Huey or Mi8. The only part which is missing is the ability flying together in multiplayer in one airframe.

[Mode1961]

There is already 2 seat ability! Just refer to the Huey or Mi8. The only part which is missing is the ability flying together in multiplayer in one airframe.

 

Well I kinda thought was obvious from my post.

 

I mean the F-14 would 'almost' require a RIO in back, though in theory you could have an AI RIO, but that is all kinds of trouble.

[KEULE]

Well I kinda thought was obvious from my post.

 

I mean the F-14 would 'almost' require a RIO in back, though in theory you could have an AI RIO, but that is all kinds of trouble.

 

No trouble at all. In Huey you can sit at the door gunner position and AI flies according to your instructions. Same on the co-pilot gunner position where AI just continues to fly. Or, if you are on the pilots position you can order AI to fire. I agree, it would be way better with humans on that seats but it works pretty well for me.

 

And, maybe DCS 2 and this feature comes sooner as expected. Hope dies last. :thumbup:

[Manuel_108]

That's exactly the problem I'd have with the Tomcat: It requires a RIO. The other problem is that I would like to take over both seats...oh well.

[Darkwolf]

Build a twinseat home cockpit, get married, problem solved. :music_whistling:

 

I assume that RIO role will be covered by AI : I'm unsure what the workload at the backseat is, but I don't think anything that can't be covered by AI.

 

Afterward, i wonder what the gameplay will be, but despite the fame of the plane, it may prove somewhat boring :

RIO detect the targets that you need to intercept, 200mi away. You shoot, you get back to the homeplate. It may be somehow more boring than flying a PMDG MD-11. :music_whistling: And for a Aim-9..... well.... not so much need of a RIO except the extra pair of eyes. :smilewink:

[Vitesse2l]

What sort of animal could go Meow?

Perhaps a cat? Maybe a Tomcat?

[emg]

If they model the F-14D, with its 80's era avionics and two MFDs for the front pilot, the pilot should be able to use the radar on his own. There would have been no reason to remove radar modes from the front MFDs.

 

Having a RIO really helped out in the F-4 and F-14A with their fleet defense mission and complicated 50's/60's era radars... but once modern avionics came along, they stopped making twin-seat interceptors for a reason.

Edited January 28, 2015 by emg

[dimitriov]

Edge is supposed to fix the current issue met with the multi-crew system. So it may be possible to make a F-14 with both pilot and copilot.

 

Having seen their work on the mig-21, which is considered by some as the the most accurate module (graphically it's true), I think we can trust Leatherneck for this one ;).

 

Nicolas

[King_Hrothgar]

Having looked over the RF-4 manual posted in this thread, I must say that we can probably operate both seats at the same time for an F-14A, much like with the Mi-8 and UH-1. It really isn't as bad as a lot of people here seem to think. The key is a modern HOTAS. Toss a hundred or so buttons on your stick + throttle and suddenly a dozen radar controls is very manageable for the pilot. With that said, The F-14D probably isn't manageable solo.

 

The reason is I'd guess it uses the MFD + SOI system like the A-10C. This creates a lot of problems as it effectively triples the number of buttons required on the HOTAS to do the same number of things. The single seat A-10C already has nightmarishly high pilot workload for even the simplest tasks. Tossing in a second seat would make it next to impossible.

Edited January 28, 2015 by King_Hrothgar
Way too early in the morning for this stuff, needed fixing.

[NeilWillis]

Edge is supposed to fix the current issue met with the multi-crew system. So it may be possible to make a F-14 with both pilot and copilot.

 

Having seen their work on the mig-21, which is considered by some as the the most accurate module (graphically it's true), I think we can trust Leatherneck for this one ;).

 

Nicolas

 

Not true. There is a 2 seat facility under development, but it is part of the L39 module, and is highly unlikely to be released at the same time as Edge.

 

ED have a number of programmers working on separate issues, so although they announce a lot of things, do not assume they are related to one another unless they specifically say so.

 

How soon will 2 seat capabilities be released? Good question. Will it be released before the "alleged" Tomcat - maybe.

[GUMAR]

EDGE is ED's GRAPHIC engine. It won't fix anything except graphics.

[SilentGun]

EDGE is ED's GRAPHIC engine. It won't fix anything except graphics.

 

 

Yes. But EDGE is apart of DCS 2.0 so 2.0 will bring new features and fixes.

[eekz]

I think it will be Hellcat

Edited January 28, 2015 by eekz

[MBot]

I am still wondering about that "cat and ducks". Ducks might refer to the MiG-23BN or a MiG-27 variant (ducknose). I hope we learn more in the February update.

[King_Hrothgar]

The MiG-23/27 would be my guess for the duck. It's been heavily requested and they said in an interview last year that it wasn't next but they wanted to do it. So if the tomcat is next, then the Flogger is a very good guess for the one after. They can even reuse a lot of art assets from the MiG-21. Most of the cockpit instruments, buttons, switches and dials should be the same. Hurrah for mass production and interchangeable parts. :D

[NeilWillis]

Yes. But EDGE is apart of DCS 2.0 so 2.0 will bring new features and fixes.

 

And you know this because?

[Flagrum]

And you know this because?

Probably because http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=135473

[Priller]

The original Mig-23B was called the ducknose. I would hope they would model a later model Mig-27(like a K model or M if material is available) instead of the early ones since they had more capable equipment on board.

 

The cats term could be, Hellcat, Tigercat, Tomcat. But the blurred picture looks like a Tomcat.

 

So lets hope for a Mig-27 an a F-14.

[lmp]

Here's an idea for you. Since Cobra is from Sweden, maybe the "duck" is a Viggen? Wikipedia says the name means: "Thunderbolt", ambiguous with "Tufted duck".

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_37_Viggen

[Manuel_108]

Interesting idea, but how would they get enough information for a Saab?

[lmp]

Is a Saab harder to research than a MiG or a Tomcat? I have no idea frankly.

[tomcatter]

Oh that is easy, they just need to contact me......

 

 

[emg]

Researching it shouldn't be a problem, a JA 37D has been made for Falcon BMS and will release with their next update.

The FM dev had access to real life fighter pilots as well as a military simulator that was used for type training, and has been able to tune the FM thanks to that.

Edited January 28, 2015 by emg

[Manuel_108]

Cool shot man! Plenty of legroom I see :)

[tomcatter]

Thanks¡¡¡. Indeed it is a quiet large and comfortable cockpit.

And a impressive aircraft with a lot of cool features.

Sorry for the off topic...

Edited January 28, 2015 by tomcatter