The Ka-50 Black Shark thread

[rogue_blade]

I can play with the twist handle just fine. :)

 

flying the ka50?

[Glowing_Amraam]

flying the ka50?

 

Yes, with the KA-50.

[-akyla-]

anybody have any idea what are these two ''ball-like'' things near the gear

 

Cheers.

[britgliderpilot]

Can't prove it - but they look like DIRCM turrets or similar. Directs an IR or laser beam at incoming heaters to confuse/blind them.

 

Anyone know for sure?

[EvilBivol-1]

On the money.

[Glowing_Amraam]

Lol, well, my specs are 2 years old now. :P

 

And i can run Black Shark fine. The lowest fps i've been to is 9, but now we're talking extreme smoke and explosions all over, PLUS fraps (yes, during the making of "EDGE" i hit that low in some scenes).

 

But that's fraps's fault mostly.

But still the shots turned out the way i wanted (most of them). So i dont complain. :D

[Ramstein]

Lol, well, my specs are 2 years old now. :P

 

And i can run Black Shark fine. The lowest fps i've been to is 9, but now we're talking extreme smoke and explosions all over, PLUS fraps (yes, during the making of "EDGE" i hit that low in some scenes).

 

But that's fraps's fault mostly.

But still the shots turned out the way i wanted (most of them). So i dont complain. :D

 

 

Since no one else here has no clue what it will run like, what are your computer specs please.

 

thanx..

:joystick:

[RAF238th_bong]

I'm in the midst of setting up my X-45 to play FC again as I had kinda put it on the back burner for a spell while I've been playing IL2. Now I'm starting to wonder, will it be necessary to have a completely different profile to play Black Shark? I mean how much of FC's controls or keyboard layout will translate into BS, are there a lot more new things or is the clickable cockpit going to make less button programming?

[britgliderpilot]

I'm in the midst of setting up my X-45 to play FC again as I had kinda put it on the back burner for a spell while I've been playing IL2. Now I'm starting to wonder, will it be necessary to have a completely different profile to play Black Shark? I mean how much of FC's controls or keyboard layout will translate into BS, are there a lot more new things or is the clickable cockpit going to make less button programming?

 

A Flaming Cliffs profile will certainly need extensive modification for Black Shark . . .

 

The clickable cockpit mainly deals with setting up the systems of the helicopter - there's not many that you'll need to access in flight.

 

However, there are new commands - some caused by more realism, some by the nature of the aircraft - that you will really want on the HOTAS.

 

 

Don't worry about it too much. Yes, you'll need to change the profile, but wait until it comes out and you've caught up with all the commands you'll need to use first.

 

And trust me, the learning curve on the helicopter is going to be steep.

[amalahama]

Hi!! Well, when you see some Ka-50 HUD vids attacks, for example:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAE_XrJMRkk

 

I can see an HUD with variable bright and lower fps than I've seen in ED BlackShark films. Can we hope some nice features like this in the final version?

 

And, It's possible in Black Shark that one Vikhr will be defective? It's quite common to see some bombs and missiles in RL which don't explode. There will be in BlackShark failures becouse of a bad helicopter use?

 

Thanks, you are doing a really good job!! I hope BS will be out soon.

 

Regards

[nscode]

I've asked about the hud fps before... they've cleaned up some code on the real thing and now it's much smoother :)

The variable brightens, as you call it, is probably a camera thing

[RvETito]

As requested by Weta43:

 

I understand. The electrical system is also quiet complex, there are also dynamic processes, but I think that for the purposes of a PC simulator we can neglect that. After all IRL the whole process of, for example switching the bus power supply from generators to inverters take less than 1sec.

 

About the features that would be interesting to implement in the electrical system. I know very well the electrical system of the Ka-32 helicopter and I only suppose that the Ka-50 has similar electrics except for the DC starter-generator of the APU. Anyway, I'll try... I think the most important thing are the pilot's actions during startup and shut down of the engines.

 

Before startup:

- batteries- ON.

- inverter switch- MANUAL, if the 36V and 115V inverters circuit brakers are ON then the following lights illuminate- ~36V INV, ~115V INV.

- the transformer switch in MAIN position, MAIN TRANS OFF light illuminate.

 

After moving the engine throttle levers to the AUTO position:

- a switch installed on the levers closes a circuit of the emergency warning system and the following (amber) lights illuminate- LEFT GEN OFF, RIGHT GEN OFF, NO PARAL OPER(in case the Ka-50 has paralel operation of the generators), LEFT RCTFR OFF, RIGHT RCTFR OFF.

- ar rotor speed of about 90% (from my experience with collective stick fully down on the ground the rotor RPM is usualy 88%):

* the left generator switch to ON position- LEFT GEN OFF and MAIN TRANS OFF lights go off.

* the right generator switch to ON position- RIGHT GEN OFF light goes off.

* the generators parallel operation switch to ON position- the NO PARAL OPER light goes off.

* the inverters switch to the AUTO position- ~36V INV and ~115V INV lights go off.

* the switch of the left rectifier to the ON position- the LEFT RCTFR OFF light goes off.

* the switch of the right rectifier to the ON position- the RIGHT RCTFR OFF light goes off.

 

Thus the electrical system is fully operational and the pilot can proceed by turning on the consumers ( instruments and systems).

 

After landing after turning off the consumers everything is reversed:

- the switch of the right rectifier to the OFF position- the RIGHT RCTFR OFF light illuminates.

- the switch of the left rectifier to the OFF position- the LEFT RCTFR OFF light illuminates.

- the inverters switch to the MANUAL position- ~36V INV and ~115V INV lights illuminate.

- the generators parallel operation switch to OFF position- the NO PARAL OPER light illuminates.

- the right generator switch to OFF position- RIGHT GEN OFF light illuminates.

- the left generator switch to OFF position- LEFT GEN OFF and MAIN TRANS OFF lights illuminate.

 

Throttle levers to IDLE position:

- all lights go off except for the MAIN TRANS OFF, ~36V INV and ~115V INV.

- inverters' circuit breakers OFF- the corresponding lightsgo off.

 

It is necessary to mention the STG-3 DC generator of the AI-9V APU. It represents a stand-by source of DC power on the ground (for saving batteries' life) and in flight (in case of main electrical components failure). It should be kept in mind that it is forbidden to use the STG-3 as generator while bleeding air for main engines start. For that reason before startup the generator must be switched off.

 

If we talk about failures and discrepancies the most important and interesting would be automatical switch off of the generators in case ot rotor RPM drop below 85%. This happens automatically by the generator control unit as a result of frequncy drop. The following occurs in flight:

- all lights illuminate- LEFT GEN OFF, RIGHT GEN OFF, NO PARAL OPER, MAIN TRANS OFF, LEFT RCTFR OFF, RIGHT RCTFR OFF, ~36V INV, ~115V INV, BATTERY BUS.

- the master warning light illuminates and a warning signal with 2Hz frequency is played in pilot's earphones.

- all equipment that's not supplied as backup by the emergency busses switches off.

 

There are 3 emergency busses in the system- 27V DC, 36V 400Hz 3-phase AC and 115V 400Hz mono=phase AC.

 

It is very important when this, for any reason, has happened, to turn off all unecessary equipment that's not crucial forthe flight safety because the batteries will take the entire load and will rapidly loose capacity. If the pilot doesn't act immediately a total loss of electrical power occurs.

 

Well this became a bit longer:) I hope it was not boring.

 

Good luck!

[plane00]

image of ka-50 with two turrets here which was quoted in advance by Alfa_Kilo

[VMFA117_Poko]

As requested by Weta43:

 

I understand. The electrical system is also quiet complex, there are also dynamic processes, but I think that for the purposes of a PC simulator we can neglect that. After all IRL the whole process of, for example switching the bus power supply from generators to inverters take less than 1sec.

 

About the features that would be interesting to implement in the electrical system. I know very well the electrical system of the Ka-32 helicopter and I only suppose that the Ka-50 has similar electrics except for the DC starter-generator of the APU. Anyway, I'll try... I think the most important thing are the pilot's actions during startup and shut down of the engines.

 

Before startup:

- batteries- ON.

- inverter switch- MANUAL, if the 36V and 115V inverters circuit brakers are ON then the following lights illuminate- ~36V INV, ~115V INV.

- the transformer switch in MAIN position, MAIN TRANS OFF light illuminate.

 

After moving the engine throttle levers to the AUTO position:

- a switch installed on the levers closes a circuit of the emergency warning system and the following (amber) lights illuminate- LEFT GEN OFF, RIGHT GEN OFF, NO PARAL OPER(in case the Ka-50 has paralel operation of the generators), LEFT RCTFR OFF, RIGHT RCTFR OFF.

- ar rotor speed of about 90% (from my experience with collective stick fully down on the ground the rotor RPM is usualy 88%):

* the left generator switch to ON position- LEFT GEN OFF and MAIN TRANS OFF lights go off.

* the right generator switch to ON position- RIGHT GEN OFF light goes off.

* the generators parallel operation switch to ON position- the NO PARAL OPER light goes off.

* the inverters switch to the AUTO position- ~36V INV and ~115V INV lights go off.

* the switch of the left rectifier to the ON position- the LEFT RCTFR OFF light goes off.

* the switch of the right rectifier to the ON position- the RIGHT RCTFR OFF light goes off.

 

Thus the electrical system is fully operational and the pilot can proceed by turning on the consumers ( instruments and systems).

 

After landing after turning off the consumers everything is reversed:

- the switch of the right rectifier to the OFF position- the RIGHT RCTFR OFF light illuminates.

- the switch of the left rectifier to the OFF position- the LEFT RCTFR OFF light illuminates.

- the inverters switch to the MANUAL position- ~36V INV and ~115V INV lights illuminate.

- the generators parallel operation switch to OFF position- the NO PARAL OPER light illuminates.

- the right generator switch to OFF position- RIGHT GEN OFF light illuminates.

- the left generator switch to OFF position- LEFT GEN OFF and MAIN TRANS OFF lights illuminate.

 

Throttle levers to IDLE position:

- all lights go off except for the MAIN TRANS OFF, ~36V INV and ~115V INV.

- inverters' circuit breakers OFF- the corresponding lightsgo off.

 

It is necessary to mention the STG-3 DC generator of the AI-9V APU. It represents a stand-by source of DC power on the ground (for saving batteries' life) and in flight (in case of main electrical components failure). It should be kept in mind that it is forbidden to use the STG-3 as generator while bleeding air for main engines start. For that reason before startup the generator must be switched off.

 

If we talk about failures and discrepancies the most important and interesting would be automatical switch off of the generators in case ot rotor RPM drop below 85%. This happens automatically by the generator control unit as a result of frequncy drop. The following occurs in flight:

- all lights illuminate- LEFT GEN OFF, RIGHT GEN OFF, NO PARAL OPER, MAIN TRANS OFF, LEFT RCTFR OFF, RIGHT RCTFR OFF, ~36V INV, ~115V INV, BATTERY BUS.

- the master warning light illuminates and a warning signal with 2Hz frequency is played in pilot's earphones.

- all equipment that's not supplied as backup by the emergency busses switches off.

 

There are 3 emergency busses in the system- 27V DC, 36V 400Hz 3-phase AC and 115V 400Hz mono=phase AC.

 

It is very important when this, for any reason, has happened, to turn off all unecessary equipment that's not crucial forthe flight safety because the batteries will take the entire load and will rapidly loose capacity. If the pilot doesn't act immediately a total loss of electrical power occurs.

 

Well this became a bit longer:) I hope it was not boring.

 

Good luck!

 

:huh: boring not at all but guys got right - we need the "R" slider at 0% for some weeks :D

[RvETito]

:huh: boring not at all but guys got right - we need the "R" slider at 0% for some weeks :D

 

Umm... which slider?

[VMFA117_Poko]

Realism (write with huge "R") slider - some of us wish to have it to learn quicker step by step rising the realism.

[RvETito]

Realism (write with huge "R") slider - some of us wish to have it to learn quicker step by step rising the realism.

 

Oh, that slider! I have to tell you that it's minimum value is 100%, the team still has to decide where to fix the maximum. :D

 

About that procedure- this is a Ka-32 electrical system operation. It has (almost) nothing to do with Ka-50 either IRL and in BS. I mean they both share many common componets (like AC generators) but the logic is different.

[Rikus]

Someone knows if Black Shark will support Panoramic formats? (1680x1050 and others)

 

Greetings

[VMFA117_Poko]

Someone knows if Black Shark will support Panoramic formats? (1680x1050 and others)

 

Greetings

I think so. FC supports it, why not BS.

[Slaunyeh]

How hard, relevant and PC ressource consuming would it be to have a pool of skin and the computer would install them randomly on diferent squadrons, vehicles etc ?

[Buznee]

Vortex Ring State (VRS)?

 

How accurate the flight dynamics going to be? Are we going to have Vortex Ring State modeled? Is the rotor going to cone under different load factors? Also are we going to have blowback on the rotor at high forward speeds? I'm assuming translational lift as well as autorotation will be modeled. Are we going to be able to overtorque the engine, damage engine/transmission etc?

 

I really hope this goes where I think its going.

[Groove]

How accurate the flight dynamics going to be? Are we going to have Vortex Ring State modeled? Is the rotor going to cone under different load factors? Also are we going to have blowback on the rotor at high forward speeds? I'm assuming translational lift as well as autorotation will be modeled. Are we going to be able to overtorque the engine, damage engine/transmission etc?

 

I really hope this goes where I think its going.

 

From lockon.ru page:

 

 

...Black Shark features a fully-3D cockpit modeled at an unprecedented level of detail; an Advanced Flight Model that will provide Black Shark with the most realistic flight dynamics of any commercial helicopter simulator...

[britgliderpilot]

How accurate the flight dynamics going to be? Are we going to have Vortex Ring State modeled? Is the rotor going to cone under different load factors? Also are we going to have blowback on the rotor at high forward speeds? I'm assuming translational lift as well as autorotation will be modeled. Are we going to be able to overtorque the engine, damage engine/transmission etc?

 

I really hope this goes where I think its going.

 

I think the last post answered that . . . you're going to love it ;)

 

 

There are some interesting phenomena specific to the co-axial design that are modelled as well, that you may not have heard of before . . .

[Groove]

"catastrophic" phenomena are one of them

[Force_Feedback]

'deadly' also fits that description :/ Kind of ironic that the only 'in-service' chopper with ejection seats has like 4 fatalities and 0 ejection attempts. Blade clash is deadly, that's why I'm a bit surprised that Bell/Boeieng/LM want to make some kind of high speed co-axial prop driven heli with a very small distance between both rotors. I hope it remained at a concept stage, otherwise that thing is going to be the new carbon-fibre widow maker.