Dudikoff Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 (edited) So for a precision strike at extended range could dictate a Tomcat over a Hornet when both were available. That's true, but the Super Hornet was in the pipeline already which somewhat improved the range of the legacy ones and the Navy was not pursuing the deep strike idea anyway (they had Tomahawks for that) - at least according to that GAO report. Add the maintenance costs to that and that's probably why they were not interested in new variants or comprehensive updates Grumman was proposing. It seems it was basically just a stopgap measure to cover the A-6E earlier-than-originally-planned withdrawal from service. Edited March 4, 2015 by Dudikoff i386DX40@42 MHz w/i387 CP, 4 MB RAM (8*512 kB), Trident 8900C 1 MB w/16-bit RAMDAC ISA, Quantum 340 MB UDMA33, SB 16, DOS 6.22 w/QEMM + Win3.11CE, Quickshot 1btn 2axis, Numpad as hat. 2 FPH on a good day, 1 FPH avg. DISCLAIMER: My posts are still absolutely useless. Just finding excuses not to learn the F-14 (HB's Swansong?). Annoyed by my posts? Please consider donating. Once the target sum is reached, I'll be off to somewhere nice I promise not to post from. I'd buy that for a dollar!
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Dauntless Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 (edited) :thumbup: Edited March 5, 2015 by Dauntless
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pyromaniac4002 Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 Thats mainly what has me so confused. The Hornet will have ground-attack covered, so Tomcats can do more of what they specialize in :P Bombs = less Phoenixes. And who in their right mind wants LESS Phoenixes? :thumbup: Phoenixes aren't going to be some magical "kill everything 60 miles out" weapon by a long shot. They're big, heavy missiles designed to take out cruise missiles and cruise missile carrying aircraft. It has too much inertia to keep up with a fighter piloted by someone who knows what they're doing. Really, against a fighter all you can count on them for is forcing them defensive while you close in for a Sparrow shot. I'd happily take a couple bombs in at the cost of AIM-54s.
FlyingHighAU Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 Phoenixes aren't going to be some magical "kill everything 60 miles out" weapon by a long shot. They're big, heavy missiles designed to take out cruise missiles and cruise missile carrying aircraft. It has too much inertia to keep up with a fighter piloted by someone who knows what they're doing. Really, against a fighter all you can count on them for is forcing them defensive while you close in for a Sparrow shot. I'd happily take a couple bombs in at the cost of AIM-54s. And depends on the mission of course, hopefully your wingmen will have their own bombs or phoenix's to balance out the strike team.
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Nerdwing Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 Phoenixes aren't going to be some magical "kill everything 60 miles out" weapon by a long shot. They're big, heavy missiles designed to take out cruise missiles and cruise missile carrying aircraft. It has too much inertia to keep up with a fighter piloted by someone who knows what they're doing. Really, against a fighter all you can count on them for is forcing them defensive while you close in for a Sparrow shot. I'd happily take a couple bombs in at the cost of AIM-54s. Nobody's arguing they're going to be a laser-of-god here, but in their current version ingame they're pretty damn beastly. The Russian AA-9 is also, which is why I brought it in as a comparison. When it boils down to it, there's going to be an aircraft capable of carrying a much wider variety of A2G weapons, while the F14 will still have the one niche in which it performs tasks the FA-18C simply cant (assumedly... Idk if we're getting the AIM-120D? That'd... sort of change things) I dont mean to come off as "haha F-14's carrying bombs is for losers!", because an LGB/JDAM doesnt care who the heck is dropping it and I dont think the guys on the ground benefiting from the strike are going to complain it was a Tomcat dropping the iron that may have saved their lives. Its just that there seems to be a disproportionate amount of hype over a niche in which the aircraft isnt really meant for.
DSHornet Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 Phoenixes aren't going to be some magical "kill everything 60 miles out" weapon by a long shot. They're big, heavy missiles designed to take out cruise missiles and cruise missile carrying aircraft. It has too much inertia to keep up with a fighter piloted by someone who knows what they're doing. Really, against a fighter all you can count on them for is forcing them defensive while you close in for a Sparrow shot. I'd happily take a couple bombs in at the cost of AIM-54s. The newer variations, like the ones we're getting, actually did very well in tests against fighter aircraft.
OilcanHarry Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 Happy...Happy... Happy...Can't wait. Thank you.
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pyromaniac4002 Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 (edited) When it boils down to it, there's going to be an aircraft capable of carrying a much wider variety of A2G weapons, while the F14 will still have the one niche in which it performs tasks the FA-18C simply cant (assumedly... Idk if we're getting the AIM-120D? That'd... sort of change things). Sure, the F/A-18C is going to have a lot more on tap in the ground pounding game, but the F-14A/B could do it too. Why not enjoy it? And there's been no indication that an AIM-120D is in the works. Even if they did make one I see no reason to think it will be any less screwed up than the current state of every air-to-air missile in the game. It'd probably only buy us another 15 nm of effective range. The newer variations, like the ones we're getting, actually did very well in tests against fighter aircraft. The AIM-54C is as new as any variant of the Phoenix as far as fighter interception is concerned. The only "newer" one is the ECCM/Sealed Round which featured improved ECCM (as one could probably guess) and deleted the cooling system. The AIM-54C is in game now and will most likely be the same Phoenix we'll have when the F-14 comes out. Load up a mission against an AI F-14 with AIM-54Cs and see it for yourself. Put the missile on your 3-9 line and pull max G and you'll trash it every single time. Edited March 5, 2015 by pyromaniac4002
john_X Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 i'd really like to see a wireframe of the 3D model. Is it possible...?
Tirak Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 Phoenixes aren't going to be some magical "kill everything 60 miles out" weapon by a long shot. They're big, heavy missiles designed to take out cruise missiles and cruise missile carrying aircraft. It has too much inertia to keep up with a fighter piloted by someone who knows what they're doing. Really, against a fighter all you can count on them for is forcing them defensive while you close in for a Sparrow shot. I'd happily take a couple bombs in at the cost of AIM-54s. Laser from god? Nope. But the point is I can shoot at him, before he realizes I'm even looking at him. Before he's figured out that I am in the air. If you know where the Phoenix is, evasion isn't too hard, but if you're surprised when that sucker goes active on final intercept, suddenly things don't look very clear cut, and good odds are you don't get out of that one alive.
Warmbrak Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 Real men don't use AIM-54's... they get in close and go gunzo (or strap bombs on those rails)! Turkeys forever!
outlawal2 Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 Real men don't use AIM-54's... they get in close and go gunzo (or strap bombs on those rails)! Turkeys forever! Well yeah because a SMART pilot completely disregards the longest range weapon that the plane was specifically designed to use... And would rather "Get in close" with a huge plane that wasn't designed for a knife fight.. Umm, yeah OK.. :doh: "Pride is a poor substitute for intelligence." RAMBO
Dudikoff Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 Real men don't use AIM-54's... they get in close and go gunzo (or strap bombs on those rails)! Turkeys forever! They don't use them, but carry at least 4 into a dogfight because they like the extra challenge. i386DX40@42 MHz w/i387 CP, 4 MB RAM (8*512 kB), Trident 8900C 1 MB w/16-bit RAMDAC ISA, Quantum 340 MB UDMA33, SB 16, DOS 6.22 w/QEMM + Win3.11CE, Quickshot 1btn 2axis, Numpad as hat. 2 FPH on a good day, 1 FPH avg. DISCLAIMER: My posts are still absolutely useless. Just finding excuses not to learn the F-14 (HB's Swansong?). Annoyed by my posts? Please consider donating. Once the target sum is reached, I'll be off to somewhere nice I promise not to post from. I'd buy that for a dollar!
Rangi Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 The AIM-54C is in game now and will most likely be the same Phoenix we'll have when the F-14 comes out. Load up a mission against an AI F-14 with AIM-54Cs and see it for yourself. Put the missile on your 3-9 line and pull max G and you'll trash it every single time. See cobras first post. I read from that they will be doing a new simulation of the AIM-54C. PC: 6600K @ 4.5 GHz, 12GB RAM, GTX 970, 32" 2K monitor.
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