Reflected Posted June 8, 2017 Posted June 8, 2017 Only RIO No, the pilot can switch the bottom screen to see what the RIO sees on HIS lower screen. He has no control over it though, but it gives an overview of the tactical situation. Facebook Instagram YouTube Discord
VampireNZ Posted June 8, 2017 Posted June 8, 2017 (edited) A vertical display indicator (VDI) is the primary attitude reference indicator in the F-14A/B, and is installed in the upper center of the pilot’s instrument panel. The display is a television-like picture of artificially generated ground and sky texture to form a reference horizon. The viewing area is approximately 60° in elevation and 50° in azimuth, and simulates the view through the front canopy. In theory, this enables the pilot to fly the aircraft during all visibility conditions without reference to the real world, including during take-off. The display consists of an horizon line, pitch lines, pitch trim markers, fixed bank angle indices, video bank angle markers, and ground and cloud texture elements. The physical center of the scope indicates the armament datum line of the aircraft. Immediately below the VDI in the F-14A/B is the Horizontal Situation Display (HSD). This is the pilot’s primary navigation display, and also has provisions to display data from the infrared seeker (on early aircraft), the TCS system (if installed), or data from the ECM system. In the manual navigation mode, symbols for command course, command heading, TACAN bearing and ADF bearing are displayed. Wind velocity, true airspeed and ground speed is also displayed. In the TACAN navigation mode, the alpha-numeric symbols are omitted and a deviation bar is added, along with range-to-station. The aft cockpit of the F-14A/B is equipped for the NFO and contains no flight controls. This instrument panel contains controls and displays for the AN/AWG-9 weapon control system, and also navigational flight instruments. The data from the AN/AWG-9 radar is displayed to the NFO on a 10-inch tactical information display (TID) and a 5-inch multi- mode detail data display (DDD). An upgraded programmable tactical information display (PTID) was installed in some F-14BS. This display is generally similar-to the MFDs used in the F-14D, and is capable of displaying symbology from LANTIRN pods and digital images from the digital TARPS pod, as well as the normal AWG-9 data. Read more http://www.aviatia.net/f-14-tomcat-cockpit/ In the 'A' model the lower pilot screen is the 'HSD', in the 'B' it is generally referred to as the TID repeater screen showing what the RIO has on his/her screen. Edited June 8, 2017 by VampireNZ Vampire
captain_dalan Posted June 8, 2017 Posted June 8, 2017 (edited) ..... Immediately below the VDI in the F-14A/B is the Horizontal Situation Display (HSD). This is the pilot’s primary navigation display, and also has provisions to display data from the infrared seeker (on early aircraft), the TCS system (if installed).... I always presumed the TCS interfaced with the upper display (the VDI) in the Tomcats A and B. I know the RIO could put the picture on the round bowl one shaped (TID)... Edited June 8, 2017 by captain_dalan Modules: FC3, Mirage 2000C, Harrier AV-8B NA, F-5, AJS-37 Viggen, F-14B, F-14A, Combined Arms, F/A-18C, F-16C, MiG-19P, F-86, MiG-15, FW-190A, Spitfire Mk IX, UH-1 Huey, Su-25, P-51PD, Caucasus map, Nevada map, Persian Gulf map, Marianas map, Syria Map, Super Carrier, Sinai map, Mosquito, P-51, AH-64 Apache
VampireNZ Posted June 8, 2017 Posted June 8, 2017 I always presumed the TCS interfaced with the upper display (the VDI) in the Tomcats A and B. I know the RIO could put the picture on the round bowl one shaped (TID)... Yep that looks to be correct - seems http://www.aviatia.net got that bit a little wrong (don't shoot the messenger lol) This is why I always use the -1 to find info....usually! lol. Vampire
Joni Posted June 8, 2017 Posted June 8, 2017 where do these people get all these documents??? :book::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup: LOL I need a break from work. Intel Core i5-8600k + Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO | Gigabyte GTX 1070 Aorus 8G | 32GB DDR4 Corsair Vengance LPX Black 3200MHz | Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Gaming 3 | WD Black SN750 NVMe 500GB | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB | WD Green 240GB | WD Caviar Black 1TB SATA 3 | WD Caviar Blue 500GB SATA 3 | EVGA 650 GQ 80+ Gold | Samsung CF391 Curved 32" | Corsair 400C | Steelseries Arctis 5 --- Razer Kraken X Lite | Logitech G305 | Redragon Dyaus 2 K509 | Xbox 360 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Thrustmaster TWCS | TrackIR 5
Beamscanner Posted June 9, 2017 Posted June 9, 2017 Remember guys pheonix has distance but pretty much lacks everything else. I mean it should not be such a big deal. Pheonix is not AIM-120c with better distance. It is clumsy and overpowered in the state that is modeled now by ED. I hope heatblur makes more realistic option so it will not be a big problem for russian jets, just a slight inconvinience;) You are clearly biased and ill informed. The U.S. didn't spend billions of dollars on a useless missile that defined the design of their fleet of F-14s (a multi-billion dollar platform). How about some facts. Compared to the AIM-120, the AIM-54 has: -far more energy -a higher top speed -a larger seeker antenna (longer detection range) -a much larger warhead (larger blast radius) additionally, -In one of its multi-shot tests, one of the missiles performed a 16g maneuver, successfully intercepting its target. -The AIM-54C+ went IOC in 1990, 4 years before the AIM-120B.. So expect similar ECM equipment and techniques. -The downward plunge during end game (during a long range shot) ensures high energy at intercept Intercepting a drone making a 6g maneuver:
Joni Posted June 9, 2017 Posted June 9, 2017 I agree, but I always had this feeling about why was it discontinued if it was so good. I love 54s, but why discontinue a missile so capable in paper? Intel Core i5-8600k + Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO | Gigabyte GTX 1070 Aorus 8G | 32GB DDR4 Corsair Vengance LPX Black 3200MHz | Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Gaming 3 | WD Black SN750 NVMe 500GB | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB | WD Green 240GB | WD Caviar Black 1TB SATA 3 | WD Caviar Blue 500GB SATA 3 | EVGA 650 GQ 80+ Gold | Samsung CF391 Curved 32" | Corsair 400C | Steelseries Arctis 5 --- Razer Kraken X Lite | Logitech G305 | Redragon Dyaus 2 K509 | Xbox 360 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Thrustmaster TWCS | TrackIR 5
GGTharos Posted June 9, 2017 Posted June 9, 2017 It was discontinued because the f14 was retired. Is just that simple. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Tirak Posted June 9, 2017 Posted June 9, 2017 I agree, but I always had this feeling about why was it discontinued if it was so good. I love 54s, but why discontinue a missile so capable in paper? We have talked about this a lot. It was only carried on one platform and was very heavy and difficult to handle. AMRAAMs are smaller, can be mounted on pretty much anything and are easier to handle on the ground. It fills 80% of the Phoenix's capabilities, and the parts it doesn't is either an acceptable degradation, or the threat it was meant to counter isn't really a threat anymore.
Joni Posted June 9, 2017 Posted June 9, 2017 Okok, no need to get harsh, was just trying to share a feeling. I love both platforms. Intel Core i5-8600k + Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO | Gigabyte GTX 1070 Aorus 8G | 32GB DDR4 Corsair Vengance LPX Black 3200MHz | Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Gaming 3 | WD Black SN750 NVMe 500GB | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB | WD Green 240GB | WD Caviar Black 1TB SATA 3 | WD Caviar Blue 500GB SATA 3 | EVGA 650 GQ 80+ Gold | Samsung CF391 Curved 32" | Corsair 400C | Steelseries Arctis 5 --- Razer Kraken X Lite | Logitech G305 | Redragon Dyaus 2 K509 | Xbox 360 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Thrustmaster TWCS | TrackIR 5
DoomEngine Posted June 9, 2017 Posted June 9, 2017 (edited) The phoenix was the whole reason the Tomcat was designed, if I'm not mistaken....the US needed a platform to carry it...that, and the other jet failed, was that the thunderchief? just spitballing now :huh: Edited June 9, 2017 by DoomEngine [sIGPIC]http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/375/pics/3_31.jpg[/sIGPIC]
VampireNZ Posted June 9, 2017 Posted June 9, 2017 The phoenix was the whole reason the Tomcat was designed, if I'm not mistaken....the US needed a platform to carry it...that, and the other jet failed, was that the thunderchief? just spitballing now :huh: Replaced the failed F-111. Indeed, the F-14 was intended as a stand-off fleet defense aircraft able to destroy bombers and other similar aircraft carrying exocet anti-ship missiles which could be fired over 100nm away. Vampire
BlackLion213 Posted June 9, 2017 Posted June 9, 2017 The phoenix was the whole reason the Tomcat was designed, if I'm not mistaken....the US needed a platform to carry it...that, and the other jet failed, was that the thunderchief? just spitballing now :huh: Actually, this aircraft was designed around the Phoenix missile and was meant to be a stand-off weapon system. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_F6D_Missileer However, it was clear that this aircraft would be really vulnerable and it was decided that a higher performance aircraft was needed. The F-111B appeared to be the solution, but simply didn't have much performance. Interestingly, the F-111B's poor performance in the approach configuration was as responsible for its demise as its poor fighter performance. The F-14 emerged as Vietnam was proving that any fighter in the US inventory had to be able to dogfight well. Grumman offered to create a new program from the major components of the F-111B project (of which they were the USN subcontractor) using major avionics and engines (on an interim basis in their mind). Grumman started with a design optimized for the 4x4 sidewinder/sparrow load-out and dogfighting, later figuring out how to cram the AWG-9 and Phoenix system into the aircraft. This led to the wide central tunnel and fuselage lift was discovered only during flight testing (fuselage otherwise would have resembled that of the F-15, reportedly). So the F-14 was built to be a fighter that could carry the Phoenix, not the other way around. -Nick 1
Top Jockey Posted June 9, 2017 Posted June 9, 2017 Very good BlackLion213, a trip back to memory lane. Jets Helis Maps FC 3 JA 37 Ka-50 Caucasus F-14 A/B MiG-23 Mi-8 MTV2 Nevada F-16 C MiG-29 F/A-18 C Mirage III E MiG-21 bis Mirage 2000 C i7-4790 K , 16 GB DDR3 , GTX 1660 Ti 6GB , Samsung 860 QVO 1TB
Top Jockey Posted June 9, 2017 Posted June 9, 2017 Replaced the failed F-111. Indeed, the F-14 was intended as a stand-off fleet defense aircraft able to destroy bombers and other similar aircraft carrying exocet anti-ship missiles which could be fired over 100nm away. Maybe, if the enemy was to be some middle-east country with French material or so... But keeping in mind the F-14 was commissioned in the middle of the "Cold War", I believe its primary objective in fleet defense was the USSR's nuclear-capable bombers. And therefore the most probable anti-ship missile to be used by the Soviets was probably something like Soviet Kh-22, Kh-55, long-range anti-ship missiles and the likes. Jets Helis Maps FC 3 JA 37 Ka-50 Caucasus F-14 A/B MiG-23 Mi-8 MTV2 Nevada F-16 C MiG-29 F/A-18 C Mirage III E MiG-21 bis Mirage 2000 C i7-4790 K , 16 GB DDR3 , GTX 1660 Ti 6GB , Samsung 860 QVO 1TB
uri_ba Posted June 9, 2017 Posted June 9, 2017 (edited) I'll just put this here.. :) Edited June 9, 2017 by uri_ba Creator of Hound ELINT script My pit building blog Few DIY projects on Github: DIY Cougar throttle Standalone USB controller | DIY FCC3 Standalone USB Controller
Tirak Posted June 9, 2017 Posted June 9, 2017 I'll just put this here.. :) When posting in YOUTUBE tags, only copy what's after v=
uri_ba Posted June 9, 2017 Posted June 9, 2017 When posting in YOUTUBE tags, only copy what's after v= Yeah, it took me a few minutes to figure it out :) Thanks! Creator of Hound ELINT script My pit building blog Few DIY projects on Github: DIY Cougar throttle Standalone USB controller | DIY FCC3 Standalone USB Controller
VampireNZ Posted June 27, 2017 Posted June 27, 2017 (edited) Cobra, I am going to be pretty disappointed in the Tomcat if the RIO doesn't sound like this during a dogfight! Maniacal laugh manditory... :megalol: Edited June 27, 2017 by VampireNZ 1 Vampire
OnlyforDCS Posted June 27, 2017 Posted June 27, 2017 Rofl! Oh man, that crew must have a lot of fun together. :) Current specs: Windows 10 Home 64bit, i5-9600K @ 3.7 Ghz, 32GB DDR4 RAM, 1TB Samsung EVO 860 M.2 SSD, GAINWARD RTX2060 6GB, Oculus Rift S, MS FFB2 Sidewinder + Warthog Throttle Quadrant, Saitek Pro rudder pedals.
JINX_1391 Posted June 27, 2017 Posted June 27, 2017 Cobra, I am going to be pretty disappointed in the Tomcat if the RIO doesn't sound like this during a dogfight! With MP crews being something in the future I'm sure this will be a thing. Also, if I'm remembering correctly that's footage from an F-16D during training. There's another one very similar where the nugget pilot over indulged the night before at "Taco Tuesday" and has an accident. Funny stuff :D [sIGPIC]http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn266/JINX1391/jinx%20f99th%20sig_zps2hgu4xsl.png[/sIGPIC] "90% of the people who actually got to fly the F/A-18C module there (E3 2017) have never even heard of DCS or are otherwise totally undeserving pieces of trash." -Pyromanic4002
shonist Posted June 27, 2017 Posted June 27, 2017 With MP crews being something in the future I'm sure this will be a thing. Also, if I'm remembering correctly that's footage from an F-16D during training. There's another one very similar where the nugget pilot over indulged the night before at "Taco Tuesday" and has an accident. Funny stuff :D Future? isnt a thing now? :( I7 7700k - Msi Z270 Gaming+ GTX 1070ti 16gb @2400 2x Samsung 850EVO 250/500 - 1x HDD 1TB SAITEK-MAD CATZ CYBORG FLY 5 STICK WIN 10
RaceFuel85 Posted June 27, 2017 Posted June 27, 2017 Cobra, I am going to be pretty disappointed in the Tomcat if the RIO doesn't sound like this during a dogfight! Maniacal laugh manditory... :megalol:
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