QuiGon Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 I personally wait for the F14. I am skipping the Viggen. I hope at least they would be able to reuse most of their systems for a future Grippen. What's wrong with the Viggen? Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing!
TomCatMucDe Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 What's wrong with the Viggen? Nothing is wrong with the Viggen or any other potential module. I am also it is gonna be a great implementation from LN. However, it is not a prominent plane, it hasn't seen much action outside Sweden, if not at all. I m looking forward more to the F14 and to the Mirage.
Kilrah Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 Gonna study the F-14 and get really "into it" when it´s released. If they also releasing the Viggen thats probably the only two planes I will fly for some time. ASUS Z370, i7 8086K @ 5,2 Ghz, ASUS Strix GTX 1080, 16GB Ram, TM HOTAS Warthog, TrackIR 5, Saitek combat rudders, 25" 1440p monitor, Oculus Rift
Brisse Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 thats probably the only two planes I will fly for some time. Don't forget the M2000C :)
Gargoil Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 I don't think anybody will be dissapointed upon release. If they don't release any Soviet 3rd generation (or better) airplane I certainly will be :)
TomCatMucDe Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 I don't think anybody will be dissapointed upon release. i won't be happy with the Viggen, but I m not disappointed since i am expecting it. Though, I hope and I m sure that it will sell very well.
emg Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 I hope at least they would be able to reuse most of their systems for a future Grippen. AJ 37 from 1969, JAS 39 from 1996...
BlackLion213 Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 Better tell beforehand so if you don't like the plane you can ignore this whole thing. This is probably the fundamental reason why LNS chose not to announce till they had a lot of media and features complete. My guess is that their upcoming aircraft will be topics with a focused appeal, but something about the implementation or "completeness" of the module will broaden the appeal. If they announced the aircraft last January or March, many people would have not paid any attention or even looked at videos/trailers. This way, there will be interest in the announcement, even if it proves to be something that many aren't interested in (not interested before the announcement at least... ;)). -Nick
zaelu Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 This is probably the fundamental reason why LNS chose not to announce till they had a lot of media and features complete... The most basic reason would be that they didn't knew the two modules at that time (of the first announcement) and not for a long time after. They could have 4-5 other planes more advanced than F14 in the pipeline but not knowing which one would be full feature at release of 2.0 would draw uncertainty on all modules... hence the "not telling". The most basic trick of magic is the one that uses the viewer imagination. You can do it then bare hands... literally. You can see it in all those hints LNS released and not only on them... also other 3rd party devs were/are completely empty handed when it comes to being ready with something palpable but use all sorts of magic tricks. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] I5 4670k, 32GB, GTX 1070, Thrustmaster TFRP, G940 Throttle extremely modded with Bodnar 0836X and Bu0836A, Warthog Joystick with F-18 grip, Oculus Rift S - Almost all is made from gifts from friends, the most expensive parts at least
westr Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 My point being the mig-21 would not be everybody's favorite release but when it is done to the standard that it has been done it becomes an extremely immersive module. If LN release a Viggen or a Mig-27 or Tornado? They will be done to such a high standard that I trully believe once people buy the modules despite initial reservations they will not be dissapointed. RYZEN 7 3700X Running at 4.35 GHz NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080Ti 32gb DDR4 RAM @3200 MHz Oculus CV1 NvME 970 EVO TM Warthog Stick & Throttle plus 11" extension. VKB T-Rudder MKIV
King_Hrothgar Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 If they don't release any Soviet 3rd generation (or better) airplane I certainly will be :) Same, though disappointed implies I'm expecting one, which I'm not. I expect it will be a WW2 thing, the Viggen and the F-14. I know I won't buy the WW2 thing. The other two are a maybe, depending on other releases at the time, price and additional content.
Kayos Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 I'm waiting most for the F-14 but I'll buy whatever the other 2 modules are just to help LN get some $$$'s for the development for the F-14. It will give me some new planes to learn as I wait :) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
OverStratos Posted November 10, 2015 Posted November 10, 2015 (edited) Guys, can we agree on no commenting (speculating) more about the incoming planes? There will be no fun at LNS anymore and they will be forced to tell us to re-feed the hype.:D Edited November 10, 2015 by OverStratos
Andrei Posted November 10, 2015 Posted November 10, 2015 Guys, can we agree on no commenting (speculating) more about the incoming planes? There will be no more fun at LNS anymore and they will be forced to tell us to re-feed the hype.:D Lol, with 200+ pages of speculation in this thread I guess we can give a special award to LNS as being... The most boring dev team of Q3 and perhaps of this autumn :) AMD R7 5800X3D | Aorus B550 Pro | 32GB DDR4-3600 | RTX 4080 | VKB MGC Pro Gunfighter Mk III + STECS + VKB T-Rudder Mk4 | Pimax Crystal FC3 | A-10C II | Ка-50 | P-51 | UH-1 | Ми-8 | F-86F | МиГ-21 | FW-190 | МиГ-15 | Л-39 | Bf 109 | M-2000C | F-5 | Spitfire | AJS-37 | AV-8B | F/A-18C | Як-52 | F-14 | F-16 | Ми-24 | AH-64 | F-15E | F-4 | CH-47 NTTR | Normandy | Gulf | Syria | Supercarrier | Afghanistan | Kola
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted November 10, 2015 Posted November 10, 2015 Lol, with 200+ pages of speculation in this thread I guess we can give a special award to LNS as being... The most boring dev team of Q3 and perhaps of this autumn :) They have to take a break after the ruse-fest that was their lead up to the F-14 announcement. Reformers hate him! This one weird trick found by a bush pilot will make gunfighter obsessed old farts angry at your multi-role carrier deck line up!
Bogey Jammer Posted November 10, 2015 Posted November 10, 2015 The most boring dev team of Q3 and perhaps of this autumn :) So true :lol: I'll buy : МиГ-23МЛД & МЛА МиГ-27К МиГ-25 Mirage III F-4E any IJ plane 1950' Korea Dynamic campaign module
BlackLion213 Posted November 10, 2015 Posted November 10, 2015 Lol, with 200+ pages of speculation in this thread I guess we can give a special award to LNS as being... The most boring dev team of Q3 and perhaps of this autumn :) Those of us who live in Northern California can sympathize, it's hard to build your house on shifting ground. ;) I bet that all of Leatherneck's projects are feeling the effects of DCS' constant changes with 1.5 and the addition of features as it moves towards 2.0 and beyond. -Nick
zaelu Posted November 10, 2015 Posted November 10, 2015 This is such a myth spread from time to time around here. Most of the time is an excuse. DCS evolves... we all expect to change from time to time and devs even more... but... it doesn't change that much anyway because everything looks incremental evolution rather than revolutionary transformations. 3rd party devs build their modules to connect to DCS that means most of the work is independent. Sure... if something changes in the "connection interface" you need to adapt but that was given from the beginning, I think it is even contractual between ED and 3rd parties. Even if they are in delays, at least LNS don't come with lame dissimulated excuses like... is ED fault 1.5/2.0 is so hard... omg. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] I5 4670k, 32GB, GTX 1070, Thrustmaster TFRP, G940 Throttle extremely modded with Bodnar 0836X and Bu0836A, Warthog Joystick with F-18 grip, Oculus Rift S - Almost all is made from gifts from friends, the most expensive parts at least
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BlackLion213 Posted November 11, 2015 Posted November 11, 2015 This is such a myth spread from time to time around here. Most of the time is an excuse. Perhaps, but DCS 1.5/2.0 is a pretty big change. We can at least agree that it's a better excuse than usual? ;) -Nick
OverStratos Posted November 11, 2015 Posted November 11, 2015 Perhaps, but DCS 1.5/2.0 is a pretty big change. We can at least agree that it's a better excuse than usual? ;) -Nick Somehow better, but I still can´t see why the intrigue. What is going to change if we know which aircraft are?:huh: We have to wait for them regardless, not?
BlackLion213 Posted November 11, 2015 Posted November 11, 2015 Somehow better, but I still can´t see why the intrigue. What is going to change if we know which aircraft are?:huh: We have to wait for them regardless, not? It wasn't a comment on the timing of an announcement, it was acknowledging that the ongoing changes to DCS 1.5 and upcoming 2.0 require a fair bit of attention in addition to the usual development time. I was referring to DCS as "the shifting ground" which will likely shift less in the near future. That said, I am intrigued by the identity of the upcoming modules, but even more so by the upcoming theaters. Since these will be the first third party theaters, I am curious to see what things will look like and what the future holds. You're not the least bit curious? :huh: -Nick
zaelu Posted November 11, 2015 Posted November 11, 2015 Absolutely. But lets not forget that 2.0 was almost to be released a year and a half earlier in summer 2014 and 3rd party devs said many times they build now modules with 2.0 in mind. When you hear them complaining/hinting/insinuating that 2.0 is hard and new features are implemented by ED in "unexpected way"... yes, I am pointing to that multicrew multiplayer facility that some devs expected to work in 2.0 with code they have from 2-3 years.... you kinda have a "bad feeling" about how they approach the problems. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] I5 4670k, 32GB, GTX 1070, Thrustmaster TFRP, G940 Throttle extremely modded with Bodnar 0836X and Bu0836A, Warthog Joystick with F-18 grip, Oculus Rift S - Almost all is made from gifts from friends, the most expensive parts at least
BlackLion213 Posted November 11, 2015 Posted November 11, 2015 Absolutely. But lets not forget that 2.0 was almost to be released a year and a half earlier in summer 2014 and 3rd party devs said many times they build now modules with 2.0 in mind. When you hear them complaining/hinting/insinuating that 2.0 is hard and new features are implemented by ED in "unexpected way"... yes, I am pointing to that multicrew multiplayer facility that some devs expected to work in 2.0 with code they have from 2-3 years.... you kinda have a "bad feeling" about how they approach the problems. I'm not a software developer and I have almost no real understanding of the coding process...so major disclaimer. :) That said, I think the issue is knowing what bugs will present themselves...and then finding it...and then finding a solution...and then finding another solution for the bug that was created by the first solution... With DCS 2.0 constantly changing and new (unprecedented) features being added, no one knows what they will encounter next. Plus, many of these modules contain unique features. It just seems to me that debugging new software on a new software engine with previously untested features would take time. How do you prepare for those problems? Since I don't know how you would, I'm assuming that it would take time. Not excuses, just the time require to actually solve problems (which are new). Am I crazy? (wait don't answer that...:D) -Nick
TJTAS Posted November 11, 2015 Posted November 11, 2015 Somehow better, but I still can´t see why the intrigue. What is going to change if we know which aircraft are?:huh: We have to wait for them regardless, not? I agree I think this hype and secrecy is pointless. Its not like this is national security. Just tell us what they are and if they interest us we'll buy them. I can't help feel this build up and anticipation are going to be counter productive when everyone is annoyed that it isn't the aircraft they want.
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