DCS: F-5E!

[lmp]

Mig21bis has autopilot.

 

F100D super sabre which went into service in 1956 had autopilot, and basically just about every american fighter since then.

 

il have too rexamine the F5E manual, because I find it hard to believe that by the 70s, especially an all weather fighter from the 3rd generation ( even if its a plane aimed for export) would actually lack any sort of autopilot function

 

Consider how minimalistic the autopilot is in (at least early model) F-16s, despite the aircraft having a state-of-the-art FLCS for it's time. I don't find it that unusual that the F-5E doesn't have one at all.

Edited April 18, 2016 by lmp

[Kev2go]

Consider how minimalistic the autopilot is in (at least early model) F-16s, despite the aircraft having a state-of-the-art FLCS for it's time. I don't find it that unusual that the F-5E doesn't have one at all.

 

The F16A did have a fly by wire system, and eventually they did add autopilot function anyways.

 

because when you have fly by wire system it keeps the aircraft steady, and it basically has auto trim. the M2000c is very steady without using autopilot requiring very minimal adjustments on the flight stick , but it does have the feature it so i make use of it anyways.

 

the reason I use autopilot is the most basic feature. just for the sake to hold altitude/ heading from point a - b so for longer flight you can leg go of the stick, sit back, and not have worry about aircraft spinning out of control or having to constantly trim it's pitch.

 

so yea autopilot is not an overrated feature, and f5 doesnt have fly by wire.....

 

 

I did go through the F5E manual again. and yea unfortunately no autpilot.

 

Bad Northrop bad.

Edited April 18, 2016 by Kev2go

[mig29movt]

Mig21bis has autopilot.

 

F100D super sabre which went into service in 1956 had autopilot, and basically just about every american fighter since then.

 

il have too rexamine the F5E manual, because I find it hard to believe that by the 70s, especially an all weather fighter from the 3rd generation ( even if its a plane aimed for export) would actually lack any sort of autopilot function

 

Swiss F-5Es are definately NOT all weather fighters. Remember that it was projected to be a "low-cost " fighter for US allies, so I could imagine very well that it doesn't have an autopilot.

[Kev2go]

Swiss F-5Es are definately NOT all weather fighters. Remember that it was projected to be a "low-cost " fighter for US allies, so I could imagine very well that it doesn't have an autopilot.

 

 

If its got a Radar its considered an all weather fighter.

 

Last time i checked swiss f5s have Radar ( the better AN/APQ 159 over the initial AN/APQ 153) additionally installed with a RWR. which is basically what we are getting in DCS.

 

 

said radar is more powerfull than that of the mig21bis, and those were also deemed all weather fighters plus earlier 3rd gen mig21 like the M/MF as well as the second gen mig21's that came before it, like the PF/PFM modesls

Edited April 18, 2016 by Kev2go

[Dudikoff]

Swiss F-5Es are definately NOT all weather fighters. Remember that it was projected to be a "low-cost " fighter for US allies, so I could imagine very well that it doesn't have an autopilot.

 

Why wouldn't it have an autopilot? Of course it has one.

[mig29movt]

If its got a Radar its considered an all weather fighter.

 

Last time i checked swiss f5s have Radar ( the better AN/APQ 159 over the initial AN/APQ 153) additionally installed with a RWR. which is basically what we are getting in DCS.

 

 

said radar is more powerfull than that of the mig21bis, and those were also deemed all weather fighters plus earlier 3rd gen mig21 like the M/MF as well as the second gen mig21's that came before it, like the PF/PFM modesls

 

Are you Swiss? :huh:

[mig29movt]

Why wouldn't it have an autopilot? Of course it has one.

 

One of the devs stated it doesn't have one and I wrote that I could well imagine. :book:

[Flamin_Squirrel]

If its got a Radar its considered an all weather fighter.

 

Not sure I'd consider an aircraft without ILS all weather, but maybe that's just me.

[pepin1234]

If its got a Radar its considered an all weather fighter.

 

With IR missiles is a very limited all weather fighter.

[Kev2go]

Are you Swiss? :huh:

 

no its called conducting research

 

With IR missiles is a very limited all weather fighter.

 

avonics wise its still better off then the 3rd generation mig21bis " all weather fighter"

 

and while its not the version we are getting ingame f5s could be modified to fire radar guided missiles.

Edited April 18, 2016 by Kev2go

[mig29movt]

Not sure I'd consider an aircraft without ILS all weather, but maybe that's just me.

 

no its called conducting research

 

I think it's not just the squirrel, it's our air force too or please tell me a good reason on why every F-5 flight during bad weather was cancelled back when I served my duty?

:huh:

[ThorBrasil]

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[King_Hrothgar]

"All weather" is a bit of a relative term. Anything a pilot is willing to operate in foul weather and/or at night is an all weather aircraft. This varies pilot to pilot though, and what was generally considered acceptable 50 years ago may not be considered acceptable today. It also varies across nationalities. Calling an F-5E without AP, ILS or radar guided missiles an "all weather fighter" might have been a bit of a stretch but was not totally unreasonable in the early 1970's. Today it would be, but then calling that same 1970's F-5E a fighter at all is also unreasonable today given how obsolete the electronics and weapons on it are.

[Kev2go]

I think it's not just the squirrel, it's our air force too or please tell me a good reason on why every F-5 flight during bad weather was cancelled back when I served my duty?

:huh:

 

 

must be those mountains which makes flying more dangerous than usual.

 

ideal weather for all flights even for modern aircraft is clear skies lol, it doesnt mean it cant operate during night time, or Overcast weather.

 

http://www.militaryfactory.com/dictionary/military-terms-defined.asp?term_id=342

 

^^^^

 

Definition of an all weather figther.

 

 

 

 

There were 1st generation jet fighters considered all weather .Mig17PF were considered all weather, F89, F94 & F-86D/K wereall weather for thier time.

 

there were even aircraft in ww2 that were considered night fighters or all weather fighters.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_fighter

 

like the german BF110G or the American P61.

 

 

it doesn't matter if flights can get cancelled its still technically an all weather fighter.

 

Theres also nothing stopping a pilot from flying a "day fighter" an aircraft without any complx navigation or radar in bad weather either. It .has been done IRL

 

 

you have to compare to aircraft of the time period. obviosuly an F5 is going to seem entirely obselete as an all weather fighter when compared to modern aircraft. There no such thing as strictly day fighters anymore because basically all modern aircraft nowadays have radar,s and necessary navigation systems to be considered "all weather"

Edited April 18, 2016 by Kev2go

[ThorBrasil]

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[R1Lawsy]

Did they say we might have the F5 before the end of the month? As in 9 or so days?

[Oban]

Did they say we might have the F5 before the end of the month? As in 9 or so days?

 

They mentioned an early release in a recent news letter.

[GaryIKILLYOU]

If its got a Radar its considered an all weather fighter.

 

Last time i checked swiss f5s have Radar ( the better AN/APQ 159 over the initial AN/APQ 153) additionally installed with a RWR. which is basically what we are getting in DCS.

 

 

said radar is more powerfull than that of the mig21bis, and those were also deemed all weather fighters plus earlier 3rd gen mig21 like the M/MF as well as the second gen mig21's that came before it, like the PF/PFM modesls

 

In my opinion an all weather fighter would be one with an ILS system, gyroscopic ADI, fire control radar, and some form of radio navigation. But hey. Different strokes for different folks.

[R1Lawsy]

And night vision?

[VTJS17_Fire]

Did they say we might have the F5 before the end of the month? As in 9 or so days?

In the next month ... ;)

[Maverick_NL]

Is it comming to steam as well?

Really waiting for this plane awsome!!

[Akatsuki]

Did they say we might have the F5 before the end of the month? As in 9 or so days?

 

They said before the end of the next month if i remember correctly.

[Vincent90]

http://www.belsimtek.com/news/

 

So the plan is before May 8th, if there are no delays...

[mattebubben]

http://www.belsimtek.com/news/

 

So the plan is before May 8th, if there are no delays...

 

Well not really =P.

 

They said the early access would start within the next month.

 

So sometime in may.

Edited April 21, 2016 by mattebubben

[WinterH]

http://www.belsimtek.com/news/

 

So the plan is before May 8th, if there are no delays...

 

Not really, no. The way I read it, it means before the end of May, if there would be no delays.

 

And, just to be safe, I would add "universal DCS constant" of n+1 to be on the safe side, and expect it sometime in June, and be pleasantly surprised if it come earlier :).

 

But purely going ny the news piece, it says before the end of next month, and from the time the article was posted, next month is May, hence, I understand the estimation as "before the end of May".

 

Edit : Nah... just looked and it says "within the next month", and this one's meaning is indeed ambigious and open to speculation, however, my take on it remains the same as I state above :P.

Edited April 21, 2016 by WinterH