DCS: F-5E!

[mattebubben]

I wouldn't expect before June, so's not to take away from Gazelle sales numbers.

 

I dont really think they would effect eachother when it comes to sales.

Seeing one is a Helicopter and the other is a Fighter Aircraft.

 

So they appeal to different Groups even though there is obviously a overlap of ppl who like both types.

 

But if someone would want to buy the F-5E they will and if a person wants the Gazelle they would buy that.

 

And if they want both im pretty sure they would buy both as they work completely differently so you cant do the work of one with the other.

 

Its kinda like comparing the Mirage 2000 and A-10C.

They are not directly competing as they have such different roles.

 

And also i dont really think ED takes something like that into account.

 

The F-5E will be launched when ready (or if there is a date Belsimtek wants)

 

It wont be delayed just to space out time between different modules being launched.

Edited May 7, 2016 by mattebubben

[Raven68]

It wont be delayed just to space out time between different modules being launched.

 

And how are you certain of this???

[mattebubben]

And how are you certain of this???

 

Because i dont think they have ever done something like that.

 

And there is no Logical reason for them to do so.

 

And since they earn money from the sales of any Module so it makes no sense for them to prioritise one module over another or punish one over another.

 

And they might not be allowed to delay a product like that since it might very well hurt the F-5E.

 

Since your theory is that releasing the F-5E now would hurt sales for the Gazelle that means delaying the F-5E would hurt sales for the F-5E while helping the Gazelle.

 

And i doubt they would pick sides like that...

[Chrinik]

The lost sales fallacy is very common and very false...there is no way to quantify if any action hurts the sales of a product because those that did not buy could simply have been not intrested in buying it anyway. Releasing one module after another of vastly different planes (one being a light AT-helicopter and another a light fighterbomber) can in no way be quantified in hurting each other in any way.

 

I haven´t bought the Gazelle yet and I have no reason to grab it outright, maybe later in a sale sometime.

 

But I´d probably buy the F-5...

[dartuil]

Gazelle and F-5E have 2 differents targets.

Releasing both the same day shouldnt kill sales of the other in my eyes.

[Raven68]

Because i dont think they have ever done something like that.

 

And there is no Logical reason for them to do so.

 

And since they earn money from the sales of any Module so it makes no sense for them to prioritise one module over another or punish one over another.

 

And they might not be allowed to delay a product like that since it might very well hurt the F-5E.

 

Since your theory is that releasing the F-5E now would hurt sales for the Gazelle that means delaying the F-5E would hurt sales for the F-5E while helping the Gazelle.

 

And i doubt they would pick sides like that...

 

Oh so this is what you THINK ED's strategy is towards releasing modules or should I say there is no strategy other than when the code is solid and it passes the testing gate then out the door. I don't recall anyone from ED commenting what the release strategy is or isn't and I really don't have an idea what it is either so we're all speculating on this.

[Schmidtfire]

Well... Look at all the flash-sales going on lately. As I remember, ED stated that sales would be less frequent and far between... Yeah, right. They even made another version of DCS (2.0) so they could put NTTR and more campaigns in the e-shop. Im quite sure that ED won't make us wait by holding back the F-5E... that is not their style.

[NeilWillis]

Oh so this is what you THINK ED's strategy is towards releasing modules or should I say there is no strategy other than when the code is solid and it passes the testing gate then out the door. I don't recall anyone from ED commenting what the release strategy is or isn't and I really don't have an idea what it is either so we're all speculating on this.

 

And you only THINK that they would adopt a delay strategy, so what exactly is your point, apart from wild speculation with no foundation whatsoever apart from some urban myth?

 

Logic isn't with you here, and ED will no doubt release as soon as a product is ready. They can however only test one thing at a time, so I suggest any delays would be due to snags, or availability of testing slots. To assume otherwise is just plain fantasy unless and until ED comment, and of one thing we can all be certain, ED will never comment on this, and the first information we will get is when the module goes into the E-shop, and it's presence there is announced.

 

So, the only default position to take regarding the timing of ANY release is "soon".

[shagrat]

I wouldn't expect before June, so's not to take away from Gazelle sales numbers.

Ah, really? You mean the F-5 is perfectly ready? Radar, avionics, fuel system, electrics, flight model, etc. Finished already and just waiting for a convenient release date?

 

What is your source of information?

[Raven68]

so what exactly is your point, apart from wild speculation with no foundation whatsoever apart from some urban myth?

 

I repeat...

I don't recall anyone from ED commenting what the release strategy is or isn't and I really don't have an idea what it is either so we're all speculating on this.

 

My point is none of us outside of ED know their release strategy, but many here seem to know the inner workings of ED. If you have something that documents their strategy then by all means share it.

[ST0RM]

Ah, really? You mean the F-5 is perfectly ready? Radar, avionics, fuel system, electrics, flight model, etc. Finished already and just waiting for a convenient release date?

 

What is your source of information?

 

I'm just speculating. While the Gazelle IS geared toward the rotor head crowd, it's new and we know many people will support whatever comes out. ED knows this and if it was me, I'd wait until June (the time frame that was given way back in the beginning of the year. First half of 2016, IIRC) and allow some more revenue to come in.

 

We're in the 2nd week of May. I hope I'm wrong and the F-5 gets pushed forward. From the sneak videos, it appears to be very far along and in a more solid state than other modules.

 

-Jeff

[Espéce De salaud]

Christ the salt on this forum...

[agentdarnell]

So are there videos of the progress?

[King_Hrothgar]

I don't think ED would hold it back due to the Gazelle. It isn't like most of us will never buy something if we don't buy it the day it's released. If I were them, I would be hesitant to release two modules in the same update, but that's because of Murphy's law, not sales. Once the Gazelle is in the release version 1.5 version, I doubt they'd have any qualms about releasing the F-5 in the next update if deemed ready.

[NineLine]

I don't think ED would hold it back due to the Gazelle. It isn't like most of us will never buy something if we don't buy it the day it's released. If I were them, I would be hesitant to release two modules in the same update, but that's because of Murphy's law, not sales. Once the Gazelle is in the release version 1.5 version, I doubt they'd have any qualms about releasing the F-5 in the next update if deemed ready.

 

Doubtful they would release two modules in one patch, not for any other reason that its a lot of risk for issues. Regardless, the reason the F-5 hasnt been released yet is its simply not ready for release.

[ThorBrasil]

F-5... :O

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[Vedexent]

What variant are we seeing in that clip? Refueling boom, HUD, MFDs - don't think any of that's stock F-5E :)

 

I'm guessing from this page, that these are F-5EMs or F-5FMs?

 

Pretty sweet looking :D

[dartuil]

Yes brasilian modernized F-5E , not what we get here.

[ThorBrasil]

The plane is the same. Only the cockpit that has been modified in version EM.

[Darkbrotherhood7]

The plane is the same. Only the cockpit that has been modified in version EM.

Nope.

The F-5EM/FM got a new radar(Grifo F), new EW systems, data-link, structural modifications, new HUD, MFCDs, CCRP/CCIP, GPS system, Derby and Python IV missiles, etc.

 

Here are the structural modifications:

F-5E:

 

F-5EM:

Edited May 11, 2016 by Darkbrotherhood7

[ThorBrasil]

Nope.

The F-5EM/FM got a new radar(Grifo F), new EW systems, data-link, structural modifications, new HUD, MFCDs, CCRP/CCIP, GPS system, Derby and Python IV missiles, etc.

 

Here are the structural modifications:

F-5E:

 

F-5EM:

 

All the above systems are part of the cockpit modernization (Thanks for detail). Except the structure that I did not know. :thumbup:

[Vitormouraa]

All the above systems are part of the cockpit modernization (Thanks for detail). Except the structure that I did not know. :thumbup:

 

Radar as well.

[Vedexent]

According to that website on the Brazilian upgrades, the nosecone is larger to accompany the larger radar antenna.

[mattebubben]

According to that website on the Brazilian upgrades, the nosecone is larger to accompany the larger radar antenna.

 

Yea and its quite visible if one compared the pictures.

 

Its the same for the other F-5E upgrades that include a new radar as well

(Chile,Singapore,Thailand,Taiwan etc)

[kazereal]

I'm just speculating. While the Gazelle IS geared toward the rotor head crowd, it's new and we know many people will support whatever comes out. ED knows this and if it was me, I'd wait until June (the time frame that was given way back in the beginning of the year. First half of 2016, IIRC) and allow some more revenue to come in.

 

We're in the 2nd week of May. I hope I'm wrong and the F-5 gets pushed forward. From the sneak videos, it appears to be very far along and in a more solid state than other modules.

 

That kind of speculation has many (implausible) ifs and buts in there about revenue, purchasing habits and so on and so on.

 

Much simpler explanation is that it isn't ready yet.

 

Usually the simple explanation is the correct one (at least according to Occam's razor..)