"Buddy Spike" - DCS World Online Events

[mia389]

Are you suggesting that he's right? You think intercepting an aircraft that can fire a missile from 300 km away is feasible and if you dont, its "your fault"?

 

How do you even detect an Su25t at 300km? I think you guys are out of touch if you think that's gonna happen.

 

Sent while I should be working instead.

 

Calm down Berro, I don't agree with the guy, I just said I think he meant intercept the A/C FFS.

[Frostie]

The SU-27's and MIG-29's are there to ESCORT those less modern planes. They should not go on their own to a high risk target. If the MIG-21's and other slow movers don't take the time to actually arrange a escort. Or if the Fighters don't want to help. Maybe we should just go play air-quake if we don't even want to ESCORT them. There are simple real life solutions to this. But what do we do... We ask to get weapons scrapped cause we are to lazy to arrange a escort. Or because they actually don't want to talk to other people than their mig-21, SU-25, A-10C friends. We asking for all this realism and team work. But the simple things that can achieve that are not even considered.

 

How many times slow movers have asked for dedicated fighter ESCORT to come with them on a mission? Or arrange a strike package? Maybe we should start actually protect our assets instead of letting them go in alone. Stronger planes and weapons are overcome by team work and superior tactics. And if you still don't win you will have the satisfaction that you actually tried everything and you fought hard to try and accomplish your goal with all the resources you had to your disposal.

 

It's not about Mirages etc. needing escort, it is about having Mirages and 21s used as effective fighters. This makes the role of fighter for all on a more even keel.

[Beeroshima]

Im calm. I know what you think he meant. I'm asking how you "intercept" an aircraft you cant detect from 300km away.

 

Sent while I should be working instead.

[Tello]

I would say EVERYTIME that the situation allows for it we try and fly as a package. Sure we can plan all sorts of stuff to take place after a restart.. Then the server crash or I fly into Arcus on takeoff ;). We try again.. Then only one side get on the server in the Lottoery it is to join.. Then we need.. Bla bla bla so many things can have a effect :D

 

I totally agree that teamplay is a huge thing and BF is based exatly on that. But you need only to come and play during peek times to see that GCI and Fighters are spending most their time discussing when and where to strike :D No air superiority = no joy for strikers and transport :D

 

Short: Plz man! BF have different concepts and beside it "always" come down to Sochi/Maykop - So no matter what tech you can use or your team consists of lonewolfs or what ever. There will always be a new round we enjoy more or less than the last one :D

 

How many times slow movers have asked for dedicated fighter ESCORT to come with them on a mission? Or arrange a strike package? Maybe we should start actually protect our assets instead of letting them go in alone. Stronger planes and weapons are overcome by team work and superior tactics. And if you still don't win you will have the satisfaction that you actually tried everything and you fought hard to try and accomplish your goal with all the resources you had to your disposal.

[kobeshow]

I don't know why you would bother to escort a 21 anyway, unless it could carry nukes of course, but that would be ridiculous.

[razgriz33]

I post something asking for tips and advice nobody bats an eye... somebody mentions an 80's era and everybody loses their minds... What I've just read while searching for an answer to my post is disgraceful.

 

A bunch of non constructive bickering about what was available in what era and "if i was running this i'd do it like this".

 

Perhaps -some- and only some of the members on this forum that are guilty of this childish behaviour need to stop bickering about which shade of red tape they would put on things and more time submitting constructive feedback and answering queries for potentially interested persons.

 

I would still like an answer to any of these questions please if some of you can tear yourself away from being cruel to each other: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=2846400#post2846400

 

hopeful regards.

[Beeroshima]

Raz, apologies if your request for info has gotten lost in the fray. If you're available, feel free to hop in ts and I'll explain as much as I can and answer any questions you have. I think you'll find we all have different tones in teamspeak. Let me know if you're getting on and I will.

 

Sent while I should be working instead.

[razgriz33]

Thank you for your prompt response, I'll take you up on that offer :) (might be tomorrow late evening some time after 2000 UTC+1)

[Beeroshima]

Say when, sir.

 

Sent while I should be working instead.

[Beeroshima]

Buddyspike ts seems to be down, at the moment.

 

Sent while I should be working instead.

[RAZBAM_ELMO]

Can second this, cannot connect on srs or ts

 

Sent from my SM-G900W8 using Tapatalk

[VentZer0]

Its been down for several hours now

[winchesterdelta1]

It's not about Mirages etc. needing escort, it is about having Mirages and 21s used as effective fighters. This makes the role of fighter for all on a more even keel.

 

Maybe instead of using them as effective fighters let the dedicated fighters take care of that and use them as strike aircraft. But i realize for that we actually need a planning tool in the game that you can share with your strike group. Would make everything so much more easy to plan and to let people follow the plan. And we need a tool to gather intel and when found you should be able to mark it on the map. (Not automatic marking so their still can be errors on he price location. Right now we are playing a game that actually requires this stuff otherwise it's just to chaotic. And with such features everybody that joins the server later can see the plan and join in way more easy instead of disturbing highly concentrated people on what the plan is.

 

Also a target list would be nice:

 

- Marine base SE of Sochi grid FG34 > Damage 10%

- SA-10 N of Maykop grid CJ45 > Full health

- Armored group Last location 30 miles East Krasnodar center.

- Manpad group W of Glendzik > Grid df45

 

Something like that.

[kobeshow]

(snip)

 

I would still like an answer to any of these questions please if some of you can tear yourself away from being cruel to each other: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=2846400#post2846400

 

hopeful regards.

 

oh come on those are not really that hard to figure out, just from reading the SOP.

On here : http://gadget-buddyspike.rhcloud.com/ you can find SOP, radio info and some links to red/blue HQ, but to accommodate you even more and show you how we truly want to help new people:

Don't worry about IFF, this round blue/red don't share any assets.

Lives are reset on a 6h cycle, type "-lives" into the ingame chat to see a message about your live's status and the reset timer, type "-time" to see when the server restarts

[Sierra99]

Still, I don't understand why we can't test REPLACING the A10C with A10A and SU25T with the SU25A.

 

NaCH what aircraft do yo normally fly?

[QuiGon]

The SU-27's and MIG-29's are there to ESCORT those less modern planes. They should not go on their own to a high risk target. If the MIG-21's and other slow movers don't take the time to actually arrange a escort. Or if the Fighters don't want to help. Maybe we should just go play air-quake if we don't even want to ESCORT them. There are simple real life solutions to this. But what do we do... We ask to get weapons scrapped cause we are to lazy to arrange a escort. Or because they actually don't want to talk to other people than their mig-21, SU-25, A-10C friends. We asking for all this realism and team work. But the simple things that can achieve that are not even considered.

 

How many times slow movers have asked for dedicated fighter ESCORT to come with them on a mission? Or arrange a strike package? Maybe we should start actually protect our assets instead of letting them go in alone. Stronger planes and weapons are overcome by team work and superior tactics. And if you still don't win you will have the satisfaction that you actually tried everything and you fought hard to try and accomplish your goal with all the resources you had to your disposal.

 

Maybe instead of using them as effective fighters let the dedicated fighters take care of that and use them as strike aircraft. But i realize for that we actually need a planning tool in the game that you can share with your strike group. Would make everything so much more easy to plan and to let people follow the plan. And we need a tool to gather intel and when found you should be able to mark it on the map. (Not automatic marking so their still can be errors on he price location. Right now we are playing a game that actually requires this stuff otherwise it's just to chaotic. And with such features everybody that joins the server later can see the plan and join in way more easy instead of disturbing highly concentrated people on what the plan is.

 

Also a target list would be nice:

 

- Marine base SE of Sochi grid FG34 > Damage 10%

- SA-10 N of Maykop grid CJ45 > Full health

- Armored group Last location 30 miles East Krasnodar center.

- Manpad group W of Glendzik > Grid df45

 

Something like that.

 

You don't get it...

 

First of all, the MiG-21 is not a strike aircraft that needs escorts :doh:

It is a fighter aircraft, but some FC3 jockeys fail to understand that or don't want to. If it has anything to do with escrots, then it is beeing an escort itself!

 

It's a less modern fighter than the FC3 fighters, so we need special scenarios like the 80s scenario to make it effektive. It's the same with the F-86 and MiG-15. They also need their own scenario (50s Korea). That's why there are different Blue Flag scenarios/concepts and that's fine. There is also a modern BlueFlag with AIM-120s and R-77. It's just not the current one. They are rotating.

[Panhead]

 

Also a target list would be nice:

 

- Marine base SE of Sochi grid FG34 > Damage 10%

- SA-10 N of Maykop grid CJ45 > Full health

- Armored group Last location 30 miles East Krasnodar center.

- Manpad group W of Glendzik > Grid df45

 

Something like that.

There is a target list. (1) PAK info, (2) real time map, (3) stand-alone real-time desktop map, and for GCI, (4) health label of known units turned on in the F10 map.

 

The tools are there. You just have to use them.

[winchesterdelta1]

You don't get it...

 

First of all, the MiG-21 is not a strike aircraft that needs escorts :doh:

It is a fighter aircraft, but some FC3 jockeys fail to understand that or don't want to. If it has anything to do with escrots, then it is beeing an escort itself!

 

It's a less modern fighter than the FC3 fighters, so we need special scenarios like the 80s scenario to make it effektive. It's the same with the F-86 and MiG-15. They also need their own scenario (50s Korea). That's why there are different Blue Flag scenarios/concepts and that's fine. There is also a modern BlueFlag with AIM-120s and R-77. It's just not the current one. They are rotating.

 

The Mirage is also not a dedicated strike aircraft. But still can carry bombs and do strikes. MIG-21 even has guided ammunition. I even use the SU-27 sometimes as striek aircraft cause it carries a good amount of nice air to ground weapons. Instead of we fighter jockys fail to understand that it's not a strike aircraft you fail to understand that it carries a good punch to do considerable damage. And you need to think out of the box. MIG-21's have been used for strike and CAS a lot of times after vietnam. And i have seen very proficient mig-21 drivers in DCS doing a shitload of damage to buildings and armored vehicles. And the map is not that big that you can't reach a target. I think you don't get it and you are limiting yourself. Why have a full fledged module only to use maybe 3 types of air to air weapons?

 

Otherwise why would it have this? For show? Or did you forget you had such weapons to your disposal?

 

 

 

 

Look here: http://whmilsimflyer.blogspot.ie/2014/10/dcs-mig-21bis-by-leatherneck.html

Edited July 20, 2016 by winchesterdelta1

[winchesterdelta1]

There is a target list. (1) PAK info, (2) real time map, (3) stand-alone real-time desktop map, and for GCI, (4) health label of known units turned on in the F10 map.

 

The tools are there. You just have to use them.

 

I use that map. But sorry that is not a target map. It only shows me what i already know is there for the last 10 years and some extra FARPS. Where are the SAM umbrella's etc etc etc? These tools should be in game and not on some website. We have to alt tab if you don't have a second screen. I can not even draw on it to show other people targets that i just have found. Off-course there are not much targets at the moment. But i hope that changes in the future.

[Frostie]

I don't get it Winchester, everyone knows the 21 and Mirage can bomb and stuff but to be used as effective fighters they need their own dedicated scenarios. The 80s round of Blue flag goes someway to making that.

I'm sure I am just repeating what someone else already said.

 

I'll just add it is not about who or what is the best of the best, it is about having fun with all the modules in a community gathering event.

Edited July 20, 2016 by Frostie

[winchesterdelta1]

And you don't need 80's to make the MIG-21 effective. You need more team work and to think outside of the box.

[Beeroshima]

I don't get it Winchester, everyone knows the 21 and Mirage can bomb and stuff but to be used as effective fighters they need their own dedicated scenarios. The 80s round of Blue flag goes someway to making that.

I'm sure I am just repeating what someone else already said.

 

I'll just add it is not about who or what is the best of the best, it is about having fun with all the modules in a community gathering event.

This. The Mig21 isnt a beast to begin with when compared to 4th Gen fighters. It's best suited to stay good at 1 job in lieu of shitty at 2.

 

Bombs and rocket pods on the wings weigh it down and put it at an even larger disadvantage in a2a than it already is to start.

 

Sent while I should be working instead.

[Frostie]

And you don't need 80's to make the MIG-21 effective. You need more team work and to think outside of the box.

 

Have you ever flown the 21, this aint a random pub server where kills are easy, there is so much more co-ordination and organisation going on. You say you need better teamwork with the 21, you can rest assured AMRAAMs will be just as well co-ordinated.

 

Why not think outside the box yourself and enjoy the varied scenarios BS create. :)

[levanoga]

Is this guy for real? What are you gonna bomb in the 21? SA-8's? SA-13's and SA-9's?

[D4n]

No 120C, ONLY B, and R-77 (and ER, ET). Then it would almost be balanced for team red (B still being somewhat better than the 77).

 

And Greg

 

"And then you won't cry anymore but MiG-21, M2k, chopper pilots will cry cry no more wanne play "

 

You can't blame the active radar missiles, you can only blame the MiG21, M2k and chopper pilots if they don't have GCI... (Or even better/funnier, what I saw past days several times, GCI or several pilots in team red NOT being in Teamspeak! Srsly guys? To those mentioned here)

 

With GCI the MiG-21 and choppers can survive.

 

 

About MiG-21, it only has chance when in two-ship or more and when flying in mountains/valleys below F-15 radar...

 

Or we simply make a MiG-21 Bison modification on the BlueFlag server, where they can equip and launch R-27 (and R-77) too, would balance things some more. :)