Windows 10 does not like some of my hardware

[Zimmerdylan]

I put Windows 10 on my computer several days ago. Wow.....I thought Windows 8 was bad. Black flashes on my screen (thought my vid card was going out on me), game runs a bit slow with it. windows 10 is a hog when it comes to resources.

But the worst thing is that I cannot open my profile editor for my X52 pro. I was getting ready to set profiles for AC and I cannot get the profile editor to open. I have taken it and the drivers out and reloaded them, tried to open it from different places, and as administrator. It just won't open. When I went up to download the editor, there was no option for Windows10 so I am assuming that it'll be a while before I can do anything with it.

So if you have Windows10 you may want to check into this. And if you have Windows10 and the profile editor works for you YAY for you!!! LOL, could you enlighten me as to anything I may be doing wrong........please.

As far as windows 10 goes.......I see a 100% chance of a Mac in the near future for me. Microsoft really blew it....yet again Vista, Windows 8, and now this junk.

Oh....and I am not ready to roll back to 8.1 just yet. I want to give Microsoft the opportunity to redeem this thing.

[Steggles]

Well in my opinion, windows 10 is great! I've seen a noticeable difference in the opening and running of applications from windows 7. My TM worthog stick and throttles work fine, and drivers were no worries, along with trackIR and my rudder pedals. Before you start putting the blame on Microsoft, try starting with the manufacturer of the X52 for having a driver and software that isn't compatible with windows 10.

 

So far I've had Windows 10 since 2 days after its release date, and I must say, I'm very happy with the upgrade from windows 7, and I have no complaints at all apart from Edge, but after IE, I didn't expect much from that.

[golani79]

Windows 10 is working great for me too - besides that Windows 8 was / is a very good OS too.

 

@OP

Have you done an upgrade or a clean install?

[txmtb]

Blame Madcatz/Saitek. Last driver release was when??

They are working on it from what I hear/read.

[Zimmerdylan]

Yeah...I know that it's a Madcatz issue. They aren't supporting Windows 10 as of yet. Just a frustrating pain in the Bhind. I have read a lot of reviews on Windows 10 and it seems that there are many people on both sides of the isle on it. I was no fan of 8. To me...it is a child's tablet toy. Charms screens, having to do two steps for one step operations, and the general layout is just not very user friendly. I'm having several issues with ten also. Will they get fixed? I'm sure that they will, but meanwhile its a royal pain. The layout is better than 8 though. It never ceases to amaze me how software works on one system flawlessly and not on another. It's kind of like the medical field. Every person is different, with their own genetic makeup and chemical composition. When a doctor does a diagnosis on a patient, they can never be 100 sure if its correct or how the treatment will affect the patient.

[Tone71]

Zimmerdylan, you might want to check out this thread:

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=143906

 

Some X52 Pro users have had luck with older drivers and SST software. I haven't yet made the leap to Win10 on my desktop, due to issues such as this but it's installed on my laptop and I'm slowly getting used to it; I guess I quite like it.

[HiJack]

I tried the older drivers but no joy. It is partly working by changing all (almost all) SST programmed keys to macros with a long delay (0.250).

[71st_Mastiff]

I tried the older drivers but no joy. It is partly working by changing all (almost all) SST programmed keys to macros with a long delay (0.250).

 

yes, and the Saitek profiler will not work with assigning hot key for emulate keyboard press.

 

and therefore I rolled back to Windows 8.1/64 you have 30 days to roll back Best Idea;

 

and for Microsoft, get other companies to move their ass and support the OS; its not as if they where not included in the SDK builds for the OS. they where given a 3 years notice.

Edited August 12, 2015 by Mastiff

[HiJack]

OK, I'm back at Windows 7 64bit. To much strange things happening during play with Windows 10. It may be the saitek drivers that come in to play but TrackIR would not start automatically and there were random frame drops when flying. Can't have that :)

[BitMaster]

Not a single issue upgrading my W7-64-Ult to W10-Pro.

 

Even that never-working Corsair Link Software loves W10 and works now.

[HiJack]

Samsung Magician

 

Please if you have a Samsung SSD installed please check for a Windows 10 driver update before installing! I believe some of my problems was due to the Samsung not supporting windows 10 with their Samsung Magician software. This lags down Windows 10. :(

 

http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/minisite/SSD/global/html/support/faqs_04.html

 

EDIT:

Also see this link:

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-hardware/samsung-magician-latest-v46-for-evo-ssds/6599ae15-a49a-44e4-8fab-8519ffdae0ad?auth=1

[Punisher74]

I put Windows 10 on my computer several days ago. Wow.....I thought Windows 8 was bad. Black flashes on my screen (thought my vid card was going out on me), game runs a bit slow with it. windows 10 is a hog when it comes to resources.

But the worst thing is that I cannot open my profile editor for my X52 pro. I was getting ready to set profiles for AC and I cannot get the profile editor to open. I have taken it and the drivers out and reloaded them, tried to open it from different places, and as administrator. It just won't open. When I went up to download the editor, there was no option for Windows10 so I am assuming that it'll be a while before I can do anything with it.

So if you have Windows10 you may want to check into this. And if you have Windows10 and the profile editor works for you YAY for you!!! LOL, could you enlighten me as to anything I may be doing wrong........please.

As far as windows 10 goes.......I see a 100% chance of a Mac in the near future for me. Microsoft really blew it....yet again Vista, Windows 8, and now this junk.

Oh....and I am not ready to roll back to 8.1 just yet. I want to give Microsoft the opportunity to redeem this thing.

 

Sorry to hear that, I actually gained performance in DCS upgrading to windows 10. As for my hardware everything went fine too, all gear and there software transferred over fine. Good luck. I've had and will continue to have MAC's, but I only have a PC for DCS and other flight sims. And as for windows this is the best version I've seen ever. I still will not us my PC for browsing the web and downloading things other then from trusted sites like DCS but I enjoy this version

[Cibit]

Sorry for the hijack with a noob question but does W10 upgrade leave all files etc intact or is it a complete reinstal?

[Rangi]

Sorry for the hijack with a noob question but does W10 upgrade leave all files etc intact or is it a complete reinstal?

 

All files intact, works just like previous windows upgrade except the windows old folder is automatically deleted after a month.

[Oubaas]

Before you install Windows 10 you might want to read this:

 

http://www.pcauthority.com.au/News/407894,microsoft-can-disable-your-pirated-games-and-illegal-hardware.aspx?

 

So, what does it take to have your game identified by Windows 10 as bad?

 

Will community-modded sims pass muster? Would modding DCS be a problem? How will this affect heavy community mods such as those found in Battle of Britain II: Wings of Victory? Would IL2 Sturmovik 1946 modded with the Community Universal Patch do it? What about IL2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover with the Team Fusion patch? Anything in Rise of Flight these days that might set it off?

 

But even more worrisome, what exactly is "unauthorized hardware"? If you modded your joystick, will it detect that it has been modded? What about that new set of expensive, custom rudder pedals from the guy working out of his garage? Did he pay Microsoft to get his gear "certified"? Did adding that VKB Fat Black Mamba base turn your Warthog HOTAS into an expensive paperweight? Did overclocking your graphics card make it bad in the eyes of Redmond? What exactly constitutes "unauthorized hardware"?

 

Considering that major automakers such as GM now contend that while you own your car they own the software in it which means, in their eyes, that you are not authorized to work on your own car anymore, how will this affect your ability to do what you want with your own computer? Corporate hubris knows no bounds.

 

This may sound a bit alarmist at first, until you consider that people have had to disable "Secure Boot" in their BIOS and go to Legacy Boot in order to install a new graphics card from a manufacturer who failed to pay the necessary fee to Microsoft to have their hardware placed on the authorized list. And that was before Windows 10 ever came about.

 

It's very difficult to say what this vague terminology really means. But if we look at previous attempts to dictate to the end user that have been foisted upon the gaming community by Microsoft, perhaps it will give us a feel for what this might be like. Anyone up for "Super Games for Windows Live!", now featuring the hardware police?

 

And while it's snooping around your computer looking for bad hardware and software, what else is Windows 10 digging into, examining, and reporting to its masters?

 

When they start giving you "free" stuff, you might want to ask why.

 

When will they start charging for the fully automatic upgrades that you agreed to in the EULA so that you can continue to use the "services"?

 

Section 7b - "Updates to the Services or Software, and Changes to These Terms" - of the Windows 10 EULA states that Microsoft “may automatically check your version of the software and download software update or configuration changes, including those that prevent you from accessing the Services..."

 

Let's see, they want to "give" you Windows 10 for "free". But the EULA to which you agree allows them to check your version and automatically download update or configuration changes that prevent you from accessing the Services. And how do you suppose, once they've disabled your OS, that you can get back to gaming on a functional PC? Could it be that you'll have to purchase an update to bring your now disabled, obsolete OS up to date?

 

Hmmm. And how much might that cost? How much has a Windows disc cost in the past? But you only had to buy a disc once. After that purchase, the updates were free.

 

But what if they gave you the OS for free, then charged you each time that it needed to be updated? Over and over again? And your OS wouldn't work if it was not up to date? Better read that EULA again.

 

And if that sounds far-fetched, then please explain to me why you only have 30 days to remove Windows 10 after installing, and after that, you can't. I don't know how far this reaches. Do they invalidate your previous Windows key if you leave Windows 10 installed longer than 30 days? If you fdisk and rewrite the master boot record, then try to reinstall your old OS, will you be told that your Windows key is not valid? Remember the "Genuine Windows" checker they embedded in your OS a long time ago? We don't have answers. The picture is unclear.

 

Perhaps the 30 day limit is to prevent people from reverting to avoid having their OS disabled until they buy the necessary updates. If you have installed your "free" copy of Windows 10, you might want to remove it before the 30 days is up, just in case. You can always reinstall Windows 10 later, when the whole situation becomes clearer. But do remember, this is a one time only offer. You'll probably have to pay for Windows 10 next time, should you repent of it now.

 

By the way, if you're tired of seeing the Windows 10 offer icon, simply uninstall Windows Update KB3035583 through your Control Panel. You'll have to restart. Here's how this update was described to you when you installed it.:

 

"KB3035583 – Update enables additional capabilities for Windows Update notifications in Windows 8.1 and Windows 7 SP1"

 

More honest transparency, eh? Here's a little more detailed info on the "update"...

 

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3035583

 

Both I and my wife have noticed that our PCs are considerably quicker now that we have removed the "free" Windows 10 offer from our system trays. I don't know what else it was doing besides annoying me, but it was slowing both of our systems down. I suspect that it may have also been responsible for a mysterious Internet bandwidth leak that we experienced about the time that it showed up.

 

So if you have not installed Windows 10 yet, make sure it's what you really want. And if you have installed it, you better be sure you want to keep it before the 30 day period is up, or you might be stuck, with your previous key for your prior version of Windows invalidated. Anything is possible, and we're not being informed. But that EULA is worrisome. Add to that the fact that some people have had trouble with various sims not working, and have also experienced various hardware problems, and that Windows 7 and 8.1 will continue to be officially supported until at least 2020 according to one of the Microsoft execs, and I'm not in a hurry to take advantage of this marvelous "free" offer.

 

I'll decide when more is known. And before you decide, you might want to think about the things that I've mentioned.

 

:pilotfly:

[Jacks]

HiJack, thanks for the warning. I was about to upgrade to Windows 10 as I have heard of people getting a 10% FPS increase in DCS but I am using a Samsung evo ssd.

 

I will check the drivers before upgrading.

 

Jacks

[scottb613]

Hi Folks,

 

While not a gaming machine - my HP laptop got mangled by the upgrade - there are no suitable drivers for the AMD/ATI Mobility video card - I've spent the last week or so trying everything I can think of to recover - it's common problem and there are posts all over the place... Granted - it's not a true Windows 10 problem - AMD and HP are the ones who dropped the ball - therefore - I have purchased my last AMD or HP product...

 

I haven't tried my desktop yet - but - I have a pair of Samsung SSD's in it - thanks for the heads up...

 

Regards,

Scott

[PoleCat]

Before you install Windows 10 you might want to read this:

 

http://www.pcauthority.com.au/News/407894,microsoft-can-disable-your-pirated-games-and-illegal-hardware.aspx?

 

So, what does it take to have your game identified by Windows 10 as bad?

 

Will community-modded sims pass muster? Would modding DCS be a problem? How will this affect heavy community mods such as those found in Battle of Britain II: Wings of Victory? Would IL2 Sturmovik 1946 modded with the Community Universal Patch do it? What about IL2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover with the Team Fusion patch? Anything in Rise of Flight these days that might set it off?

 

But even more worrisome, what exactly is "unauthorized hardware"? If you modded your joystick, will it detect that it has been modded? What about that new set of expensive, custom rudder pedals from the guy working out of his garage? Did he pay Microsoft to get his gear "certified"? Did adding that VKB Fat Black Mamba base turn your Warthog HOTAS into an expensive paperweight? Did overclocking your graphics card make it bad in the eyes of Redmond? What exactly constitutes "unauthorized hardware"?

 

Considering that major automakers such as GM now contend that while you own your car they own the software in it which means, in their eyes, that you are not authorized to work on your own car anymore, how will this affect your ability to do what you want with your own computer? Corporate hubris knows no bounds.

 

This may sound a bit alarmist at first, until you consider that people have had to disable "Secure Boot" in their BIOS and go to Legacy Boot in order to install a new graphics card from a manufacturer who failed to pay the necessary fee to Microsoft to have their hardware placed on the authorized list. And that was before Windows 10 ever came about.

 

It's very difficult to say what this vague terminology really means. But if we look at previous attempts to dictate to the end user that have been foisted upon the gaming community by Microsoft, perhaps it will give us a feel for what this might be like. Anyone up for "Super Games for Windows Live!", now featuring the hardware police?

 

And while it's snooping around your computer looking for bad hardware and software, what else is Windows 10 digging into, examining, and reporting to its masters?

 

When they start giving you "free" stuff, you might want to ask why.

 

When will they start charging for the fully automatic upgrades that you agreed to in the EULA so that you can continue to use the "services"?

 

Section 7b - "Updates to the Services or Software, and Changes to These Terms" - of the Windows 10 EULA states that Microsoft “may automatically check your version of the software and download software update or configuration changes, including those that prevent you from accessing the Services..."

 

Let's see, they want to "give" you Windows 10 for "free". But the EULA to which you agree allows them to check your version and automatically download update or configuration changes that prevent you from accessing the Services. And how do you suppose, once they've disabled your OS, that you can get back to gaming on a functional PC? Could it be that you'll have to purchase an update to bring your now disabled, obsolete OS up to date?

 

Hmmm. And how much might that cost? How much has a Windows disc cost in the past? But you only had to buy a disc once. After that purchase, the updates were free.

 

But what if they gave you the OS for free, then charged you each time that it needed to be updated? Over and over again? And your OS wouldn't work if it was not up to date? Better read that EULA again.

 

And if that sounds far-fetched, then please explain to me why you only have 30 days to remove Windows 10 after installing, and after that, you can't. I don't know how far this reaches. Do they invalidate your previous Windows key if you leave Windows 10 installed longer than 30 days? If you fdisk and rewrite the master boot record, then try to reinstall your old OS, will you be told that your Windows key is not valid? Remember the "Genuine Windows" checker they embedded in your OS a long time ago? We don't have answers. The picture is unclear.

 

Perhaps the 30 day limit is to prevent people from reverting to avoid having their OS disabled until they buy the necessary updates. If you have installed your "free" copy of Windows 10, you might want to remove it before the 30 days is up, just in case. You can always reinstall Windows 10 later, when the whole situation becomes clearer. But do remember, this is a one time only offer. You'll probably have to pay for Windows 10 next time, should you repent of it now.

 

By the way, if you're tired of seeing the Windows 10 offer icon, simply uninstall Windows Update KB3035583 through your Control Panel. You'll have to restart. Here's how this update was described to you when you installed it.:

 

"KB3035583 – Update enables additional capabilities for Windows Update notifications in Windows 8.1 and Windows 7 SP1"

 

More honest transparency, eh? Here's a little more detailed info on the "update"...

 

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3035583

 

Both I and my wife have noticed that our PCs are considerably quicker now that we have removed the "free" Windows 10 offer from our system trays. I don't know what else it was doing besides annoying me, but it was slowing both of our systems down. I suspect that it may have also been responsible for a mysterious Internet bandwidth leak that we experienced about the time that it showed up.

 

So if you have not installed Windows 10 yet, make sure it's what you really want. And if you have installed it, you better be sure you want to keep it before the 30 day period is up, or you might be stuck, with your previous key for your prior version of Windows invalidated. Anything is possible, and we're not being informed. But that EULA is worrisome. Add to that the fact that some people have had trouble with various sims not working, and have also experienced various hardware problems, and that Windows 7 and 8.1 will continue to be officially supported until at least 2020 according to one of the Microsoft execs, and I'm not in a hurry to take advantage of this marvelous "free" offer.

 

I'll decide when more is known. And before you decide, you might want to think about the things that I've mentioned.

 

:pilotfly:

 

Much ado about nothing..........

 

There are hundreds of posts just like these before every MS OS is released. Always warning of the dire consequences of the next Microsoft OS. They warned us of every version of Windows so far being this thing to be afraid of, particularly the EULA.

 

Also this quote is included in the original article "The list of services covered by the agreement doesn't explicitly include Windows 10. However, it does include your Microsoft account"

Since you can use Windows 10 without a Microsoft account I fail to see how it differs in this case from the EULA for Windows 7/8 specifically.

 

So far I think Windows 10 is great and I have no intention of reverting to 8.1 so it really does not bother me that I only have a 30 day window to do so. While I agree it is probably not the best policy it is certainly no secret that this is the case. I also do not believe it to be nefarious in nature.

 

Your post comes of to me like a lot of innuendo sprinkled with liberal amounts of paranoia.

 

I think most people are going to love it. It is by all measure a nice improvement over Windows 7/8.1.

 

Out

Edited August 18, 2015 by PoleCat

[Oubaas]

Much ado about nothing..........

 

There are hundreds of posts just like these before every MS OS is released. Always warning of the dire consequences of the next Microsoft OS. They warned us of every version of Windows so far being this thing to be afraid of, particularly the EULA.

 

Also this quote is included in the original article "The list of services covered by the agreement doesn't explicitly include Windows 10. However, it does include your Microsoft account"

Since you can use Windows 10 without a Microsoft account I fail to see how it differs in this case from the EULA for Windows 7/8 specifically.

 

So far I think Windows 10 is great and I have no intention of reverting to 8.1 so it really does not bother me that I only have a 30 day window to do so. While I agree it is probably not the best policy it is certainly no secret that this is the case. I also do not believe it to be nefarious in nature.

 

Your post comes of to me like a lot of innuendo sprinkled with liberal amounts of paranoia.

 

I think most people are going to love it. It is by all measure a nice improvement over Windows 7/8.1.

 

Out

 

I certainly hope that you're right. I'll eventually have to upgrade to something, just like I have in the past. Otherwise, I'd still be playing Jane's USAF on Windows 98SE.

 

But I'd like to know the answers to things like, "What is unauthorized hardware?" so as to avoid things like seeing a Warthog with a Fat Black Mamba base become inert because it's "unauthorized hardware". Or not being able to play a favorite sim because it's modded.

 

Once I know a little more, I may go ahead and upgrade. But they need to be a little more forthcoming with the information. I may be a bit paranoid, I seem to have noticed an increased tendency toward that shortly after becoming permanently and totally disabled in the line of duty during real life military service.

 

But they could tell us a bit more on these issues instead of fanning the flames with silence. I like to make fully informed decisions.

 

:pilotfly:

[BitMaster]

No one loves Redmond and we would all love to see the Linux walk all over them and dominate the gaming platforms, free, versatile & independent.

 

With DX12 in the barrel I cant see SteamOS and Linux in general on the left lane, as much as I would love to see that. If lucky, they will survive the DX12 blast and hopefully gather enough developers and studios so OpenGL is used instead of DX in an extend that it plays a role. That would also open the door to Mac OS with a more and more growing audience while not excluding MS, whereas DX excludes all others but MS itself.

 

 

Win10 btw ALREADY has a 10% OS piece of the cake in germany as stated by statcounter.

That was the quickest ten percent on the OS market ever.

 

So whatever we all think, say, install or not install, Win10 is already making history and pushing other OS's aside, or off the disk. If we like it or not.

[giei]

LOL

 

I worked with Linux from 1997 to 2008. Now I love Redmond and I pray everyday SteamOs will fail. I don't want to go back to Windows 98 age.