Krupi Posted October 29, 2015 Posted October 29, 2015 Some decent AI bombers and bomber missions is the day DCS WW2 really takes off! :D Windows 10 Pro | ASUS RANGER VIII | i5 6600K @ 4.6GHz| MSI RTX 2060 SUPER | 32GB RAM | Corsair H100i | Corsair Carbide 540 | HP Reverb G2 | MFG crosswind Pedals | Custom Spitfire Cockpit Project IX Cockpit
ED Team NineLine Posted November 2, 2015 ED Team Posted November 2, 2015 (edited) Lets try this one again... read the topic, reply on topic. First one that veers off on a tangent gets bonus warning points. Dont ruin a good topic... WWII bombers... come on! Edited November 2, 2015 by NineLine Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug**
Krupi Posted November 2, 2015 Author Posted November 2, 2015 Haha okay! AI Bombers I would like to see... Allied B17 B24 B25 Axis Ju88 Do17 Me410 Windows 10 Pro | ASUS RANGER VIII | i5 6600K @ 4.6GHz| MSI RTX 2060 SUPER | 32GB RAM | Corsair H100i | Corsair Carbide 540 | HP Reverb G2 | MFG crosswind Pedals | Custom Spitfire Cockpit Project IX Cockpit
MFG62 Joker Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 Avro Lancaster or Short Stirling for night rides Me110-G4 to get them done with ... Lorenz Blindlande Verfahren Liechtensteingerät to find them by myself or Himmelbett Verfahren with JTAC/ATC as Jagdführer ... just dreams ;) :pilotfly:
bongodriver Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 Lancaster, Halifax, Wellington. B17, B24, B25, B26 Ju88, Do17, He111
Crumpp Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 AI Bombers I would like to see... Allied (1944 line up) B17 B24 B26 Axis (1944 line up) Me410 FW190F8 AR234A Answers to most important questions ATC can ask that every pilot should memorize: 1. No, I do not have a pen. 2. Indicating 250
fastfreddie Posted November 3, 2015 Posted November 3, 2015 Allied B17 B24 B25 Axis Me410 Ju88/Ju188 He177 AR234 Do-217
Cripple Posted November 3, 2015 Posted November 3, 2015 A *single* medium bomber for each faction (argue the specifics amongst yourselves... :P). Now, the principle behind getting one for each faction before expanding should be obvious, but why a medium bomber rather than a more iconic heavy? Simple. Solo play. An unescorted medium bomber can be brought down by fighter relatively easily. I don't know about the rest of you, but watching a wounded heavy fly off home because I've run out of ammo - again - doesn't really appeal... My *new* AV-8B sim-pit build thread: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=3901589 The old Spitfire sim-pit build thread circa '16/17: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=143452
Barrett_g Posted November 3, 2015 Posted November 3, 2015 Right now all the fighters have their strengths and weaknesses... But over all... They're pretty much on equal ground. Add bombers to the mix and it'll force the fights up higher in elevation while forcing the Germans to switch to the larger caliber, slower firing, cannons. These load outs are specific for taking down lumbering bombers and are not very good against nimble fighters. This scenario is realistic... But tips the advantage to the allies side.... Not sure how "fun" it would be for the axis players. I'm not really sure having axis bombers would be very realistic in a 1944 setting... And the allied fighters don't have (realistic) heavy cannon loadouts to take down axis bombers like the axis had.... Creating another inequality that may not be "fun." I think bombers should be included.... And would be fun... For coop missions... But I don't see it panning out well for competitive multi missions.
Tumbleweed Posted November 3, 2015 Posted November 3, 2015 Missions with dedicated WWII bombers will be so awesome. It would be nice to someday see a big online mission with multi crew capable bombers all manned to the hilt, being escorted by manned fighter escorts defending against scores of bandits. Every onling player doing their job as it would have been IRL. What an atmosphere. What a mission! My Hangar: P-51D Mustang - KA-50 Blackshark - A-10C Warthog - F-86F Sabre - FC3 - Combined Arms - UH-1H My Flying Adventures: www.dcs-pilot.com :pilotfly:
Krupi Posted November 3, 2015 Author Posted November 3, 2015 Missions with dedicated WWII bombers will be so awesome. It would be nice to someday see a big online mission with multi crew capable bombers all manned to the hilt, being escorted by manned fighter escorts defending against scores of bandits. Every onling player doing their job as it would have been IRL. What an atmosphere. What a mission! +1 Windows 10 Pro | ASUS RANGER VIII | i5 6600K @ 4.6GHz| MSI RTX 2060 SUPER | 32GB RAM | Corsair H100i | Corsair Carbide 540 | HP Reverb G2 | MFG crosswind Pedals | Custom Spitfire Cockpit Project IX Cockpit
Talisman_VR Posted November 3, 2015 Posted November 3, 2015 Missions with dedicated WWII bombers will be so awesome. It would be nice to someday see a big online mission with multi crew capable bombers all manned to the hilt, being escorted by manned fighter escorts defending against scores of bandits. Every onling player doing their job as it would have been IRL. What an atmosphere. What a mission! There are a lot of new potential customers for DCS out there who would be attracted by this sort of thing if the WWII project is a success.
Lt_Maverick Posted November 3, 2015 Posted November 3, 2015 (edited) The day we get some AI Bombers Haha okay! AI Bombers I would like to see... Allied B17 B24 B25 Axis Ju88 Do17 Me410 Ju88 for sure. Edited November 4, 2015 by Lt_Maverick [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "The first time I ever saw a jet, I shot it down."- General Chuck Yeager, USAF, describing his first confrontation with a Me262. JayRac3r/Lt_Mav YouTube Channel
eekz Posted November 3, 2015 Posted November 3, 2015 We used some C-130s with my bomber script at Burning Skies server on event flight. http://www.twitch.tv/rafmuffler/v/23505434 On one hand it looked cool, but on the other hand it sucked because of poor C130 damage model and absence of any turrets. Oh, if only we had B-17 bot (and some day flyable)... VIRPIL Controls Servers
greco.bernardi Posted November 4, 2015 Posted November 4, 2015 I will be happy if all sides have AI heavy bombers and some flyable medium bomber. I don´t know if a multicrew B17 will fly too much with 10 players.
domini99 Posted November 4, 2015 Posted November 4, 2015 I will be happy if all sides have AI heavy bombers and some flyable medium bomber. I don´t know if a multicrew B17 will fly too much with 10 players. It would be damn cool tho, if they can get this working, not many sims have this! My vote goes for the Superfortress :D
OutOnTheOP Posted November 5, 2015 Posted November 5, 2015 (edited) Right now all the fighters have their strengths and weaknesses... But over all... They're pretty much on equal ground. Add bombers to the mix and it'll force the fights up higher in elevation while forcing the Germans to switch to the larger caliber, slower firing, cannons. These load outs are specific for taking down lumbering bombers and are not very good against nimble fighters. This scenario is realistic... But tips the advantage to the allies side.... Not sure how "fun" it would be for the axis players. I'm not really sure having axis bombers would be very realistic in a 1944 setting... And the allied fighters don't have (realistic) heavy cannon loadouts to take down axis bombers like the axis had.... Creating another inequality that may not be "fun." I think bombers should be included.... And would be fun... For coop missions... But I don't see it panning out well for competitive multi missions. Not sure how you think forcing the fight to high altitude would be any more "unfair" or "not fun" than the current situation where the P-51 is at a severe horsepower disadvantage, has strongly nerfed firepower due to the poor representation of API/ penetrating hits, and (on most servers) is outnumbered, as well. As to needing heavy cannon to down bombers, .50 is plenty adequate, if (big IF) ED updates the damage model to reflect reality better. The .50 simply has a different damage mechanism than the 30mm. 30mm counts primarily on blowing pieces of the aerodynamic surfaces off; .50 cal is intended to penetrate the aircraft, any armor inside the aircraft, and perforate something critical (generally speaking, the engine or the pilot). I can tell you from real, firsthand experience that a single .50 cal AP into the engine block of a car will seize it instantly, while a 60mm mortar exploding immediately adjacent to it will do practically nothing (though I'll admit the Toyota Hilux *is* known for continuing to run after some truly absurd punishment). 30mm will not penetrate the engine block: it will explode on or immediately past the cowling. Damage to the ancilliary equipment and wiring harnesses, no doubt... but blast effect is a poor damage mechanism against engine blocks (and, for that matter, quite ineffective against humans, too), and minengeschoss has exceedingly poor fragmentation effect on account of the super-thin casing. ...not that fragmentation is a particularly effective damage mechanism against engine blocks either, but it's more effective against wiring and hosing than blast effect, at least. TL;DR: .50 cal API is in some ways more effective than 30mm, if your aim is precise and you hit the engine bay, pilot, or get lucky enough to get a direct hit on a wing spar (or those wonderfully detonating 20/30mm ammo bays in the wing roots of many axis fighters). .50 cal API is terribly INeffective if you're just hitting the skin of wing panels. The damage model in DCS just doesn't do a very good job of simulating it yet. On topic, I think we first need allied heavies. Then axis mediums. The He177 and Ar234 are, in my opinion, stupid things to wish for. The He177 saw only limited service, and the Ar234 was both exceptionally uncommon, AND pointless in a game perspective, since there's nothing that would actually catch the damn thing. Seems to me that some people are more interested in giving the Germans the biggest and baddest, instead of anything approaching a realistic portrayal of even moderately common scenarios. I bet the same folk suggesting Ar234 would get their panties in a twist if a B-29 was introduced (waaah, but that didn't serve in Europe, waaahhh! Never mind that it was over three times more common than the Ar234 and He177 COMBINED). He111 and Ju88, each 10+ times more numerous than the aforementioned uber-bombers, would be much, much more appropriate. Edited November 5, 2015 by OutOnTheOP
vicx Posted November 5, 2015 Posted November 5, 2015 WW2 didn't do to well on recent poll. Is that just because the WW2 guys missed the poll?
Stonehouse Posted November 5, 2015 Posted November 5, 2015 I think it's more that the dynamic campaign was in the same poll as well as new maps and enhanced multiplayer. It would be interesting to see the same thing without those choices specifically and also some of the others like effects etc. ie a plane set based poll. For example I tend to like WW2 - Vietnam era although generally I like anything that flies but voted for new maps
ED Team NineLine Posted November 5, 2015 ED Team Posted November 5, 2015 Yup, I can see a lot of WWII guys voting for the new maps or the campaign... ED knows how popular WWII is, I wouldnt worry too much. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug**
airdoc Posted November 5, 2015 Posted November 5, 2015 WW2 didn't do to well on recent poll. Is that just because the WW2 guys missed the poll? My thoughts as well. It is likely that out of the 2500 DCS WW2 backers (plus the non-backers who should be quite a number) most don't really hang out on ED's forums because they are waiting for Normandy. Also, the phrasing of the poll suggestion "more old era aircraft" was a bit ambivalent, since we already know that ED has the Spit, P47 and Me-262 in the works, VEAO have many planes in their roadmap and LN probably are developing a PTO warbird. So mu guess is many WW2 people chose "new maps" expressing their desire for Normandy. What would really be interesting though, is to see a poll with the community preferences : jets vs props. The three best things in life are a good landing, a good orgasm, and a good bowel movement. The night carrier landing is one of the few opportunities in life to experience all three at the same time.
Pman Posted November 5, 2015 Posted November 5, 2015 My thoughts as well. It is likely that out of the 2500 DCS WW2 backers (plus the non-backers who should be quite a number) most don't really hang out on ED's forums because they are waiting for Normandy. Also, the phrasing of the poll suggestion "more old era aircraft" was a bit ambivalent, since we already know that ED has the Spit, P47 and Me-262 in the works, VEAO have many planes in their roadmap and LN probably are developing a PTO warbird. So mu guess is many WW2 people chose "new maps" expressing their desire for Normandy. What would really be interesting though, is to see a poll with the community preferences : jets vs props. Not exclusive mind, 6 of our 8 active development aircraft are ww2 era (give or take a couple of years for Bearcat) and a further 2 of those are jets. Personally I love the stick and rudder aircraft :) Pman
Captain Orso Posted November 5, 2015 Posted November 5, 2015 WW2 didn't do to well on recent poll. Is that just because the WW2 guys missed the poll? :huh: Poll? What poll?!? It might have been good if there had been some hints about it elsewhere in the forums :( When you hit the wrong button on take-off System Specs. Spoiler System board: MSI X670E ACE Memory: 64GB DDR5-6000 G.Skill Ripjaw System disk: Crucial P5 M.2 2TB CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D PSU: Corsair HX1200 PSU Monitor: ASUS MG279Q, 27" CPU cooling: Noctua NH-D15S Graphics card: MSI RTX 3090Ti SuprimX VR: Oculus Rift CV1
Barrett_g Posted November 5, 2015 Posted November 5, 2015 Yeah I didn't know about the poll either... I just pop in and check the WWII section to look for any new news regarding the P-47.... Anyways... Looks like a dynamic campaign is the highest request.... And that benefits us all... WWII, Korea, Vietnam, or present day.
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