Sweep Posted December 10, 2015 Posted December 10, 2015 I was going to leave a rant here, but I deleted it... My problem here is this: If the aircraft COULD use the weapon but didn't operationally because of mission role and perceived threats, then I think the ARMAT should be added. If it couldn't do so without major modifications to the aircraft or its systems...then IMHO, don't add it. Lack of data? I think I'll leave that one to the devs to decide on... Lord of Salt
WinterH Posted December 10, 2015 Posted December 10, 2015 Yeah, as Zeus mentioned many times decision is not taken. And apparently it is a heated argument internall too... Anyway, I am afraid they may succumb to popular demand, oh well... I just hope they'll keep it real and will leave this thread be :). Wishlist: F-4E Block 53 +, MiG-27K, Su-17M3 or M4, AH-1F or W circa 80s or early 90s, J35 Draken, Kfir C7, Mirage III/V DCS-Dismounts Script
jojo Posted December 17, 2015 Posted December 17, 2015 since we arent so strict about the topic of this thread, I have a question that has probably been asked and I think Jojo could quickly reply. Can the M2000 carry a mixed AA and AG Payload realistically. Let's say: The outermost wing pylons: - 2 x Magic II The center wing pylon: - 2 x Super 530D Wing root pylons: - 4 x Mk82, Mk82S, Belouga or - 2 x GBU-12 Centerline pylon: - External 1300 Liter fuel tank I answer here because it's more appropriate. I have no evidence to prove that Fox 1 is incompatible with AG weapons. But I don't think French Air Force ever did it. I can't say for more "exotic" Air Forces, like Indian Mirage 2000 H who always surprise me. It's wiser to escort bombers Mirage with fighters Mirage... The last one: I saw in a video 2 Mirage 2000 H with asymmetric AA load out. Magic 2/ Wing tank/ Fuselage tank/ Super 530D/ Magic 2 :huh: Mirage fanatic ! I7-7700K/ MSI RTX3080/ RAM 64 Go/ SSD / TM Hornet stick-Virpil WarBRD + Virpil CM3 Throttle + MFG Crosswind + Reverb G2. Flickr gallery: https://www.flickr.com/gp/71068385@N02/728Hbi
Home Fries Posted December 17, 2015 Posted December 17, 2015 I have no evidence to prove that Fox 1 is incompatible with AG weapons. But I don't think French Air Force ever did it. I can't say for more "exotic" Air Forces, like Indian Mirage 2000 H who always surprise me. It's wiser to escort bombers Mirage with fighters Mirage... Makes sense. Since the 530D is SARH, a bomb truck has no business trying to fly F-Pole against a fighter loaded for A2A. I would rather have 4xMagic in this case as fire and forget self-defense, and let the escorts play F-Pole. Now RDY with the MICA RF would make self-escort feasible, but we are obviously not getting the M2000-5. -Home Fries My DCS Files and Skins My DCS TARGET Profile for Cougar or Warthog and MFDs F-14B LANTIRN Guide
TomCatMucDe Posted December 17, 2015 Posted December 17, 2015 I answer here because it's more appropriate. I have no evidence to prove that Fox 1 is incompatible with AG weapons. But I don't think French Air Force ever did it. I can't say for more "exotic" Air Forces, like Indian Mirage 2000 H who always surprise me. It's wiser to escort bombers Mirage with fighters Mirage... The last one: I saw in a video 2 Mirage 2000 H with asymmetric AA load out. Magic 2/ Wing tank/ Fuselage tank/ Super 530D/ Magic 2 :huh: The question is related to DCS as well. Sometimes on mp you take your mirage for a spin and sine ground attack. If you meet some airborne hostile you jettison bombs and you are fit for the air fight.
OziRekt Posted December 17, 2015 Posted December 17, 2015 What is the maximum amount of mk82s the Mirage can carry? It can carry 12 in BMS, is this accurate? "We carried out many trials to try to find the answer to the fast, low-level intruder, but there is no adequate defense." — Air Vice-Marshal J. E. 'Johnnie' Johnson, RAF Can't charge us all
Zeus67 Posted December 17, 2015 Posted December 17, 2015 What is the maximum amount of mk82s the Mirage can carry? It can carry 12 in BMS, is this accurate? No. Max amount of MK82s is 8: Left wing: 2, fuselage: 4, right wing: 2. "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." "The three most dangerous things in the world are a programmer with a soldering iron, a hardware type with a program patch and a user with an idea."
Corrigan Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 Regarding Armat: no thanks. I'd love to fly SEAD in a full-fidelity 4th gen aircraft, but the 2000C is not that aircraft. :) The last one: I saw in a video 2 Mirage 2000 H with asymmetric AA load out. Magic 2/ Wing tank/ Fuselage tank/ Super 530D/ Magic 2 :huh: Did I read somewhere that the FBW system/autopilot will compensate for asymmetric load? If so, is this done completely automatically? Win10 x64 | SSDs | i5 2500K @ 4.4 GHz | 16 GB RAM | GTX 970 | TM Warthog HOTAS | Saitek pedals | TIR5
Nealius Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 (edited) Note the Mirage in BMS that can carry 12xMk82 is D model, not the C. Edited December 18, 2015 by Nealius
Zeus67 Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 There is something very important that you must know about the M-2000C and AG stores: The ballistics computer in the real aircraft can only handle one type of ordnance. You cannot mix Mk-82 with snakeyes or cluster bombs or rockets. In our model you can load weapons mix but i am not guaranteeing that it will work as intended. It should and it has, but no guarantees that it will do so 100% of the times. Specially when trying to use multiple releases. "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." "The three most dangerous things in the world are a programmer with a soldering iron, a hardware type with a program patch and a user with an idea."
Croaker47 Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 That's interesting. I suppose that's part of the Data Cartridge? Assuming you do mix loads, will the sim load the ballistics based on hardpoint, or by the first one you put on in the loadout screen? Just something to think about.
Zeus67 Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 That's interesting. I suppose that's part of the Data Cartridge? Assuming you do mix loads, will the sim load the ballistics based on hardpoint, or by the first one you put on in the loadout screen? Just something to think about. "My" ballistics computer, the one I coded, does identify ordnance selected. There is no problem when doing single releases, one bomb on each trigger pull. But it has never been tested on multiple releases with a mixed load. So will it work? It should, but then it may not. "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." "The three most dangerous things in the world are a programmer with a soldering iron, a hardware type with a program patch and a user with an idea."
Corrigan Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 That's what we have beta for. :) Win10 x64 | SSDs | i5 2500K @ 4.4 GHz | 16 GB RAM | GTX 970 | TM Warthog HOTAS | Saitek pedals | TIR5
whaaw Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 "My" ballistics computer, the one I coded, does identify ordnance selected. There is no problem when doing single releases, one bomb on each trigger pull. But it has never been tested on multiple releases with a mixed load. So will it work? It should, but then it may not. Oh man cant wait to mount AA missiles for CAP and a pair of GBU's just in case The CAS people need a bit help. You guys making a happy man here SFMBE
Croaker47 Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 "My" ballistics computer, the one I coded, does identify ordnance selected. There is no problem when doing single releases, one bomb on each trigger pull. But it has never been tested on multiple releases with a mixed load. So will it work? It should, but then it may not. Never even considered mixed bomb drops; don't think I've done that in anything besides a Stuka, heh. So the real plane would load up with A-G with one weapon (Say, only rockets, or only mk 82s), and the ground crew would make sure the computer was loaded with the particular data? Sorry for picking your brain like this. Don't have much experience flying (none irl), even in sims, heh.
Zeus67 Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 Oh man cant wait to mount AA missiles for CAP and a pair of GBU's just in case The CAS people need a bit help. You guys making a happy man here AA and AG weapons mix is no problem. AG weapons mix is dubious in a multiple release scenario. "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." "The three most dangerous things in the world are a programmer with a soldering iron, a hardware type with a program patch and a user with an idea."
Zeus67 Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 Never even considered mixed bomb drops; don't think I've done that in anything besides a Stuka, heh. So the real plane would load up with A-G with one weapon (Say, only rockets, or only mk 82s), and the ground crew would make sure the computer was loaded with the particular data? Sorry for picking your brain like this. Don't have much experience flying (none irl), even in sims, heh. Yes. The aircraft has access panels that the ground crew use to tell it what the load is and how much weight it is carrying. "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." "The three most dangerous things in the world are a programmer with a soldering iron, a hardware type with a program patch and a user with an idea."
Croaker47 Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 Thanks for answering all my questions, Zeus. I'm sure I'll have a ball with this thing.
Paradox Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 No. Max amount of MK82s is 8: Left wing: 2, fuselage: 4, right wing: 2. But didn't we see that nice centreline double ejector rack in one of your recent photos?
Corrigan Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 RAZBAM are making a move on the throne of community interaction, where LNS currently sit. Is there room for two? Who will sit in whose lap otherwise? Stay tuned to find out. Win10 x64 | SSDs | i5 2500K @ 4.4 GHz | 16 GB RAM | GTX 970 | TM Warthog HOTAS | Saitek pedals | TIR5
Zeus67 Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 But didn't we see that nice centreline double ejector rack in one of your recent photos? Yes, but we were advised that they are only installed in the centerline pylon when you are carrying GBU-12s "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." "The three most dangerous things in the world are a programmer with a soldering iron, a hardware type with a program patch and a user with an idea."
zerO_crash Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 (edited) So Zeus67, just to make it clear: In reality, the Mirage 2000C RDI is capable of mixing AA and AG ordinance, however it is not capable of mixing different types of AG? (is the mixed AG loadout something that is confirmed tested and non working, or has it simply never been tested with such a configuration and thus the uncertainty?) Just trying to get it clear, since no manual is available yet (for us non-French) :music_whistling: zerO Edited December 18, 2015 by zerO_crash [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
sedenion Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 So Zeus67, just to make it clear: In reality, the Mirage 2000C RDI is capable of mixing AA and AG ordinance, however it is not capable of mixing different types of AG? (is the mixed AG loadout something that is confirmed tested and non working, or has it simply never been tested with such a configuration and thus the uncertainty?) Just trying to get it clear, since no manual is available yet (for us non-French) :music_whistling: zerO As far as i know (other will confirm), the real Mirage 2000C is "physicaly" capable of mixing different types of AG weapons, BUT the embeded computer software of the Mirgage 2000C ARE NOT, and can handle only one type of AG weapons...
jojo Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 Yes. This is what Zeus67 said :thumbup: Mirage fanatic ! I7-7700K/ MSI RTX3080/ RAM 64 Go/ SSD / TM Hornet stick-Virpil WarBRD + Virpil CM3 Throttle + MFG Crosswind + Reverb G2. Flickr gallery: https://www.flickr.com/gp/71068385@N02/728Hbi
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