DCS: AJS-37 Viggen Discussion

[shaggy]

I believe those marking were added because it was hard to see the aircraft in dogfight training

[Xenovia]

so, what is the AJS's air to air capability?

[Vitormouraa]

AIM-9s only AFAIK.

[QuiGon]

And optional gunpods :D

 

The JA-37 Viggen on the other hand can be equipped with Skyflash SARH medium range missiles (british improved AIM-7 Sparrow) and in its latest variant with AIM-120 missiles. But that's not the variant we're getting (maybe as AI).

Edited November 14, 2016 by QuiGon

[mattebubben]

so, what is the AJS's air to air capability?

 

Its able to carry Aim-9s (Either a rear aspect Aim-9J/P or all Aspect Aim-9L)

all pylons are able to carry the aim-9 but there are two that are dedicated for the task (outer wing pylons)as the rest as usually used for air-ground ordnance.

 

The AJS 37 is primarily a strike aircraft though so while it does have a radar its not optimized for air-air work though it still have basic search functions as well as a rangefinding mode for use with missiles / gunpods.

 

(With the Primary air-air role in the Swedish airforce at the time being handled by the Saab J35 Draken and the JA 37 Fighter Viggen)

 

So the AJS 37 should be capable of defending itself but if there are 4th gen fighters like F-15s and Su-27s around it would be better to focus on the strike task and avoid air-air combat if possible and keep a dogfight against enemy fighters as a last resort

 

(though with a light aircraft one should be able to surprise a F-15 or Su-27 when it comes to agility / Acceleration as the AJS 37 has a Decent instantaneous turn as well as a powerful engine giving good over all performance)

 

and instead use its high Acceleration and top speed to run away from danger while staying low in the terrain.

(since at low altitude the AJS 37 is about as fast as Any Fighter in the game)

 

Against older fighters like the Mig-21 or F-5E its pretty even

(though the AJS 37 should hold advantages when it comes to aircraft handling as well as missile performance) and against strike/attack aircraft a AJS 37 with an air-air loadout should be lethal enough.

 

the AJS 37 does not have any IFF interrogation systems though

(as its not the fighter variant and does not have BVR weapons or needed to be all weather capable in the Air-Air role) so one has to visually ID a target.

Edited November 14, 2016 by mattebubben

[Vitormouraa]

Viggen fans go crazy! :D (pictures from T@kER)

 

[QuiGon]

Before anyone gets confused: This is NOT the Leatherneck Viggen!

 

Because of that, my excitement is limited ;)

Edited November 14, 2016 by QuiGon

[Snail]

Air-air combat would be a very last resort: the big wing makes a first tight turn possible but then the energy is gone which can’t be gained again unless the turn is widened quite a bit: making the Viggen a sitting duck for any more agile adversary. So the Viggen pilot would have to make the kill in the first turn. I have seen HUD footage from a mock dogfight between an F-16A and an AJ37. Every time the back of the Viggen became visible in the HUD after 1 or 1.5 minute max. The sidewinders really are a last resort. Viggens were never ment as dogfighters.

[ViFF]

wow.. what a fat turkey from that angle

[Sporg]

Before anyone gets confused: This is NOT the Leatherneck Viggen!

Because of that, my excitement is limited

+1

[Sporg]

wow.. what a fat turkey from that angle

I wouldn't put too much into this mod model.

The dimensions don't look right to me.

[Cobra847]

I wouldn't put too much into this mod model.

The dimensions don't look right to me.

 

actually, it's one of the better ones from what I can see.

 

She does look very bulky and fat from certain angles. Three quarter, over the wing, rear view in particular.

[Sporg]

actually, it's one of the better ones from what I can see.

 

She does look very bulky and fat from certain angles. Three quarter, over the wing, rear view in particular.

Ok, fair enough.

 

I just felt the bulge on top was too high and at the same time the body underneath too wide.

But that might just be me.

 

I do know she looks fat, just didn't feel it was that much. :)

[jmijnen]

That poor Viggen is not fat, she is big boned!!

[Goblin]

That JA is quite nice!

If I should force myself to find something to criticize it would be the wing root fairings. Maybe a tad too big..?

 

But I'm excited to read Cobras comment about the 3D model, as that must mean Cobra knows of an even better one..! ;)

[microvax]

Air-air combat would be a very last resort: the big wing makes a first tight turn possible but then the energy is gone which can’t be gained again unless the turn is widened quite a bit: making the Viggen a sitting duck for any more agile adversary. So the Viggen pilot would have to make the kill in the first turn. I have seen HUD footage from a mock dogfight between an F-16A and an AJ37. Every time the back of the Viggen became visible in the HUD after 1 or 1.5 minute max. The sidewinders really are a last resort. Viggens were never ment as dogfighters.

 

If le advisary isnt completely retarded yes you are completely right.

 

I just want to remind everyone of the mirage life in DCS. ;D

 

Thing is the Mirage also has good instant and bleeds speed pretty bad. But thanks to deltas having quite stable airflow even at high AOA you do not loose as much turn performance at lower speed in comparison to an f15 for example, since you can trade huge induced drag for the lift but you can keep doing that in full burner, if the enemy does go with you there. The more limiting factor here will probably be the RM8a AOA acceptance.

 

But overall, yes, Viggen is a strike plane, aim9 is for self defense. But as we see with a10c vs high end 4th gen, pilot skill is everything...

 

;D

[Snail]

That was quick ;-)

[microvax]

 

 

Nothing to see here, move along !

[Dahlbeck]

What? :-)

[microvax]

What? :-)

 

[Malek]

I think he means the disapeared page nr. 355 which existed an hour ago and was deleted because someone posted an inappropriate advertisement. :music_whistling:

[asla36]

Well... I think I will use it to dogfight anyway. Just scream "Anuu cheeki breeki iv damke!" or "Börk!" and things will go well (or they wont).

[Juuba]

OMG, Viggen will come to Finland in August 2017?!

 

https://www.facebook.com/JWM2017/photos/a.1235791236431016.1073741828.1108812635795544/1329247387085400/?type=3

 

Jet World Masters in Jämijärvi, 13th of August.

Edited November 15, 2016 by Juuba
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[scaflight]

actually, it's one of the better ones from what I can see.

 

She does look very bulky and fat from certain angles. Three quarter, over the wing, rear view in particular.

 

I'm calling you out as a liar.

No way it's anywhere close to correct. The only way I'd believe you is if you could superimpose or juxtapose the absolutely best ever AJS-37 Viggen 3D model, complete with textures, in the same position, for comparison.

 

Now put your money where your mouth is.

[JaNk0]

Haha @scaflight. You think he'll take the bite?