DCS: AJS-37 Viggen Discussion

[mattebubben]

I know it's off topic, but it's my birthday :D

 

Should have been one week later tho ;)

 

They decided to release it on my Birthday instead ^^.

[Justin Case]

Guess I'll keep flying solo then. I have a feeling the AI will be utterly useless in the Viggen.

 

Go multiplayer, it's the only way. I'm sure there's a Canadian DCS community out there.

[IonicRipper]

Go multiplayer, it's the only way. I'm sure there's a Canadian DCS community out there.

I like to fly on both mp and sp. I especially had the campain in mind.

 

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[Justin Case]

Roger! :)

[renhanxue]

I made a thing that might conceivably be of interest to someone, so I might as well post it. AJS 37 electrical power supply, block diagram, translated:

 

[scaflight]

Thanks, ren!!

 

What was the last information we had regarding the theater? I'm god damned dying to get out of Caucasus.

[Dahlbeck]

Not much known about it other than it coming later and LN investing in a dedicated theatre development team somewhere in Poland.

[The_Pharoah]

Can the Viggen hold its own against enemy fighters like the SU27 and Mig 29?

[Pocket Sized]

Can the Viggen hold its own against enemy fighters like the SU27 and Mig 29?

 

If the Viggen pilot is very creative and tricky, yes. Its only air to air armament is (semi) modern sidewinders.

 

Given pilots of equal skill, absolutely not.

 

But if all else fails you can just zone 3 the f**k out of there.

[dartuil]

Viggen have no chance versus mig-29 and su-27 for me.

Only if the pilot do a mistake and u get the chance, but you better get out lol.

[RaXha]

Can the Viggen hold its own against enemy fighters like the SU27 and Mig 29?

 

 

 

Not the version were getting, this is the attack variant. The fighter might have a chance but the AJS doesn't.

[Snail]

Can the Viggen hold its own against enemy fighters like the SU27 and Mig 29?

 

You should make a difference between the fighter version (JA37) and the other versions like the AJS37. And between BVR and WVR situations.

 

The only situation where the outcome would be hard to predict is in a BVR fight between JA37D's carrying AMRAAM and SU27 / MiG29. But in a WVR/Dogfight situation the Russian jets would have the advantage. Viggens were never designed for dogfighting. Maybe one exeption: in a true dogfight with cannons only, the automated Oerlikon cannon of the JA37 could be devastating in the first pass and turn.

[theOden]

.. the automated Oerlikon cannon of the JA37 could be devastating in the first pass and turn.

Goes for both the Vigg Pilot and the receiving end in that autopilot mode :joystick:

[Snail]

Goes for both the Vigg Pilot and the receiving end in that autopilot mode :joystick:

 

For those less familiar with JA37's cannon: the aircraft had an automated aiming possibility where the aircraft's radar was used to aim the cannon (= the aircraft). It had the advantage that the pilot succesfully could open fire at a big distance, much earlier than the opponent, but it also lead to a very bumpy ride because the autopilot took over the steering.

[renhanxue]

IIRC the autopilot takes control in pitch and yaw, but not in roll. It will tell you on the HUD what it wants you to do in the roll axis, though. No idea why they did it that way.

 

But no, the JA 37 isn't stellar in a sustained dogfight compared to other 80's fighters. No all-aspect heaters before, what, 1988?, no fancy off-boresight tricks like on the MiG-29 and the sustained turn rate isn't great, nor is the thrust anything special, and in a drawn-out fight the need to use very high afterburner thrust settings to keep speed up in turns shortens its already short legs pretty quickly.

 

BVR though it can be a pretty interesting opponent before 1990-ish, especially if not operating alone. The PS-46/A was a very good radar for its time, situational awareness is great with the tactical map screen and there's potential for buddy illumination for the Skyflash as well as other neat tricks. Only two radar missiles, though.

Edited January 24, 2017 by renhanxue

[mattebubben]

IIRC the autopilot takes control in pitch and yaw, but not in roll. It will tell you on the HUD what it wants you to do in the roll axis, though. No idea why they did it that way.

 

But no, the JA 37 isn't stellar in a sustained dogfight compared to other 80's fighters. No all-aspect heaters before, what, 1988?, no fancy off-boresight tricks like on the MiG-29 and the sustained turn rate isn't great, nor is the thrust anything special, and in a drawn-out fight the need to use very high afterburner thrust settings to keep speed up in turns shortens its already short legs pretty quickly.

 

BVR though it can be a pretty interesting opponent before 1990-ish, especially if not operating alone. The PS-46/A was a very good radar for its time, situational awareness is great with the tactical map screen and there's potential for buddy illumination for the Skyflash as well as other neat tricks. Only two radar missiles, though.

 

With the JA37D upgrades in the 90s and the addition of the Aim-120s it got some new life in it and once again made it more or less top of the line for a BVR engagement (The Datalink it had combined with the Aim-120 made for a Lethal Combination)

 

And i thought the RB 74 started reaching Swedish units in 1986? not 1988?.

 

Or was there an upgrade required on the JA 37 before it could use the

RB 74?.

Edited January 24, 2017 by mattebubben

[Snail]

According to this site: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_37_Viggen the standard JA37 indeed carried max. 2 skyflash missiles, but the D-version allowed for 4 AMRAAMs.

[renhanxue]

With the JA37D upgrades in the 90s and the addition of the Aim-120s it got some new life in it and once again made it more or less top of the line for a BVR engagement (The Datalink it had combined with the Aim-120 made for a Lethal Combination)

 

And i thought the RB 74 started reaching Swedish units in 1986? not 1988?.

 

Or was there an upgrade required on the JA 37 before it could use the

RB 74?.

I may be remembering wrong. 1988 was the year I remembered but I can't remember where I saw it. May have been in SIPRI's arms transfer database or something.

[IonicRipper]

Anyone lucky enough to have an early copy of the Viggen kind enough to take a screenshot of the stick amd throttle controls so we can start planning our button mapping on our HOTAS? ;)

 

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[Snail]

Anyone lucky enough to have an early copy of the Viggen kind enough to take a screenshot of the stick amd throttle controls so we can start planning our button mapping on our HOTAS? ;)

 

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Would that be wise or even possible before you have the actual aircraft available in your install?

[IonicRipper]

Would that be wise or even possible before you have the actual aircraft available in your install?

It is for the most part. Ive done it for nearly every module Ive prepurchased so far.

 

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[Andy1966]

:DDone. Viggen is Bought!

Man I can't wait to try it out :joystick:

[probad]

Anyone lucky enough to have an early copy of the Viggen kind enough to take a screenshot of the stick amd throttle controls so we can start planning our button mapping on our HOTAS? ;)

 

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you could consult the manual already available

[Pocket Sized]

Sorry for asking the same question a third time, but does anyone know if the Viggen has any HUD modes in which the pitch ladder isn't slaved to a waypoint? IIRC in landing mode you can "cage" the pitch ladder to the center of the HUD, but what about normal navigation?

[Justin Case]

Sorry for asking the same question a third time, but does anyone know if the Viggen has any HUD modes in which the pitch ladder isn't slaved to a waypoint? IIRC in landing mode you can "cage" the pitch ladder to the center of the HUD, but what about normal navigation?

It doesn't, strange as it may seem.

Edited January 27, 2017 by Justin Case
typo