pengjn Posted March 5, 2016 Posted March 5, 2016 So i'm a day 1 Hog driver and I've been trying to knock out a bridge with GBU12s and GBU38s (if memory serves). I mark the bridge on the pod and hit TMS up, which I think makes it SPI. Then I enter CCRP, line up, wait for the count down and pickle the release until the bomb comes off. I never hit it, not even that close. Any simple training vids? I've found A LOT online but not been able to find my problem yet. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk DCS 2.0 NTTR, EVGA GTX980 Ti Hybrid, 4790k, 16GB, 27" Apple Cinema Display, Thrustmaster HOTAS, Saitek Combat pedals, TrackIR 5 and...Oculus Rift CV1. Complete noob .:doh:
MadDog-IC Posted March 5, 2016 Posted March 5, 2016 So i'm a day 1 Hog driver and I've been trying to knock out a bridge with GBU12s and GBU38s (if memory serves). I mark the bridge on the pod and hit TMS up, which I think makes it SPI. Then I enter CCRP, line up, wait for the count down and pickle the release until the bomb comes off. I never hit it, not even that close. Any simple training vids? I've found A LOT online but not been able to find my problem yet. Sounds like your doing it correctly for bomb release, but note: If using the Gbu12 (laser guided), are you auto lasing or manually lasing the target approx 8-12 seconds before impact. If using the Gbu38 (gps guided), you must have a spi set for them to release, once released they will follow to the coordinates recieved from the SPI. Good Videos to watch are from Banyap's (ON THE RANGE) Cheers, Ian. Asus p877v-pro, Intel I7 3770k 4.2ghz, 32gb Ripjaw X ram, Nvidia RTX-2070 Super, Samsung 32" TV, Saitek x52 pro Joystick and Combat rudder pedals, TrackIR 5, Win8.1 x64 with SSD and SSHD protected by (Avast AV). DCS Tech Support.
Gliptal Posted March 5, 2016 Posted March 5, 2016 Just a sidenote, SOI as SPI generator is TMS UP LONG.
Blackeye Posted March 5, 2016 Posted March 5, 2016 (edited) Check your TAD - green diamond and wedding cake need to be aligned for SPI to be at the TGP target (button to press is as noted TMS up LONG). See http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2606197&postcount=25 Edited March 5, 2016 by Blackeye
Sierra99 Posted March 5, 2016 Posted March 5, 2016 So i'm a day 1 Hog driver and I've been trying to knock out a bridge with GBU12s and GBU38s (if memory serves). I mark the bridge on the pod and hit TMS up, which I think makes it SPI. Then I enter CCRP, line up, wait for the count down and pickle the release until the bomb comes off. I never hit it, not even that close. Any simple training vids? I've found A LOT online but not been able to find my problem yet. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk TMS UP - LONG sets SPI. Also, by default GBU-12s are set for CCIP release...you must enter the profile page, select CCRP and save it for the proper release cueing. You also don't mention lasing...make sure the laser is armed and you start lasing about 10 second prior to impact. Hope this helps [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Primary Computer ASUS Z390-P, i7-9700K CPU @ 5.0Ghz, 32GB Patriot Viper Steel DDR4 @ 3200Mhz, ZOTAC GeForce 1070 Ti AMP Extreme, Samsung 970 EVO M.2 NVMe drives (1Tb & 500 Gb), Windows 10 Professional, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS, Thrustmaster Warthog Stick, Thrustmaster Cougar Throttle, Cougar MFDs x3, Saitek Combat Rudder Pedals and TrackIR 5. -={TAC}=-DCS Server Gigabyte GA-Z68XP-UD3, i7-3770K CPU @ 3.90GHz, 32GB G.SKILL Ripjaws DDR3 @ 1600Mhz, ZOTAC GeForce® GTX 970.
Lucky Posted March 5, 2016 Posted March 5, 2016 TMS UP - LONG sets SPI. Also, by default GBU-12s are set for CCIP release...you must enter the profile page, select CCRP and save it for the proper release cueing. You also don't mention lasing...make sure the laser is armed and you start lasing about 10 second prior to impact. Hope this helps You don't have to enter the profile page to set CCRP. You can push the Master Mode button to bring up CCRP mode from CCIP mode. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Lian Li 011 Dynamic Evo, Core i9 11900K @ 5.0GHz, Corsair H150i CPU cooler, Asus Prime Z590-A, Radeon RX6800 XT64GB, Team T-Force Delta DDR4 3600, Corsair RM1000X PSU, Win 11 x64
SharpeXB Posted March 5, 2016 Posted March 5, 2016 Can you hit other targets correctly but not bridges? When setting the SPI, make sure you're marking the ground under the bridge, since the TGP just sees the ground and not the bridge surface. Also if you are setting the SPI at a large slant angle make sure the laser rangefinder is on, just press the Laser button and see the L flash. GBU-10/12s just need a point track, GPS guided bombs need a SPI I usually just set Auto Lase to 10 seconds for laser guided bombs. Finally since all these bombs actually free fall for most of their flight, it can help to set the wind correction on the CDU If you're only having trouble with bridges it's probably the thing about targeting the ground and not the bridge itself. i9-14900KS | ASUS ROG MAXIMUS Z790 HERO | 64GB DDR5 5600MHz | iCUE H150i Liquid CPU Cooler | ASUS TUF GeForce RTX 4090 OC | Windows 11 Home | 2TB Samsung 980 PRO NVMe | Corsair RM1000x | LG 48GQ900-B 4K OLED Monitor | CH Fighterstick | Ch Pro Throttle | CH Pro Pedals | TrackIR 5
McBlemmen Posted March 6, 2016 Posted March 6, 2016 TMS UP - LONG sets SPI. Also, by default GBU-12s are set for CCIP release...you must enter the profile page, select CCRP and save it for the proper release cueing. Or switch to CCRP mode with the master mode button
paulca Posted March 6, 2016 Posted March 6, 2016 Just a quick Q, but why would you drop a laser guided munition in CCIP mode? I figure CCIP mode is only really of use if you must do a dive approach such as hooking inverted over some terrain into a hot target Top Gun style.... or if you don't want to have to lock stuff up as SPI. However in the first instance there won't be time for the laser guidance to do much and in the later you don't have a SPI to fire the laser on.
McBlemmen Posted March 6, 2016 Posted March 6, 2016 Just a quick Q, but why would you drop a laser guided munition in CCIP mode? . Well i'm sure most people will use CCRP in most cases but CCIP has it's uses. For example when bombing a target marked by smoke that's being lased by someone else and you are flying without TGP or don't have time to get the target on your tgp and there's no datalink with the FAC.
pengjn Posted March 6, 2016 Author Posted March 6, 2016 (edited) Unable to hit a bridge using CCRP Ah ha! I didn't realise that the 38 was GPS guided and the 12 laser guided. I will have a bash with the laser. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Edited March 6, 2016 by pengjn DCS 2.0 NTTR, EVGA GTX980 Ti Hybrid, 4790k, 16GB, 27" Apple Cinema Display, Thrustmaster HOTAS, Saitek Combat pedals, TrackIR 5 and...Oculus Rift CV1. Complete noob .:doh:
Sierra99 Posted March 6, 2016 Posted March 6, 2016 You don't have to enter the profile page to set CCRP. You can push the Master Mode button to bring up CCRP mode from CCIP mode. Ya know what Lucky I didn't know this would work...i thought since you get a "USE CCRP" message in the HUD if you try to drop various weapons in CCIP you had to set the value on the Profile page. Thanks Sierra [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Primary Computer ASUS Z390-P, i7-9700K CPU @ 5.0Ghz, 32GB Patriot Viper Steel DDR4 @ 3200Mhz, ZOTAC GeForce 1070 Ti AMP Extreme, Samsung 970 EVO M.2 NVMe drives (1Tb & 500 Gb), Windows 10 Professional, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS, Thrustmaster Warthog Stick, Thrustmaster Cougar Throttle, Cougar MFDs x3, Saitek Combat Rudder Pedals and TrackIR 5. -={TAC}=-DCS Server Gigabyte GA-Z68XP-UD3, i7-3770K CPU @ 3.90GHz, 32GB G.SKILL Ripjaws DDR3 @ 1600Mhz, ZOTAC GeForce® GTX 970.
Xavven Posted March 6, 2016 Posted March 6, 2016 Ya know what Lucky I didn't know this would work...i thought since you get a "USE CCRP" message in the HUD if you try to drop various weapons in CCIP you had to set the value on the Profile page. Thanks Sierra You get that message when using JDAMs (GBU-38 and GBU-31)
WildBillKelsoe Posted March 6, 2016 Posted March 6, 2016 change TGP to LATCH ON and be higher than 12K. LASER on TMS UP long POINT track AWAITING ED NEW DAMAGE MODEL IMPLEMENTATION FOR WW2 BIRDS Fat T is above, thin T is below. Long T is faster, Short T is slower. Open triangle is AWACS, closed triangle is your own sensors. Double dash is friendly, Single dash is enemy. Circle is friendly. Strobe is jammer. Strobe to dash is under 35 km. HDD is 7 times range key. Radar to 160 km, IRST to 10 km. Stay low, but never slow.
Yurgon Posted March 6, 2016 Posted March 6, 2016 GBU-10/12s just need a point track POINT track What is it with point track? OP talks about bridges, they're not usually in the habit of relocating after acquisition... :music_whistling:
LNR212 Posted March 6, 2016 Posted March 6, 2016 have a look at this, this is the best how-to for bombing-beginners (with pictures): http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3171145/How_to_use_weapons_-_Picture_g or here as pdf A-10C GBU Guide.pdf this helped me a lot... 1
hansangb Posted March 6, 2016 Posted March 6, 2016 Thank you LNR212! hsb HW Spec in Spoiler --- i7-10700K Direct-To-Die/OC'ed to 5.1GHz, MSI Z490 MB, 32GB DDR4 3200MHz, EVGA 2080 Ti FTW3, NVMe+SSD, Win 10 x64 Pro, MFG, Warthog, TM MFDs, Komodo Huey set, Rverbe G1
Outlaw24 Posted March 6, 2016 Posted March 6, 2016 You also might want to check the TISL panel (in front of the stick) to make sure the code entered is the same as on your DSMS page for the bomb, the default on the DSMS is 1688, but lately when I check the TISL the code reads 0000, they have to be the same, just a side note. Spoiler: MSI Z790 Carbon WIFI, i9 14900KF, 64GB DDR4, MSI RTX 4090, Thrustmaster Warthog Throttle, VKB Gunfighter Ultimate MCG Pro w/200mm Extension, Winwing Orion Rudder Pedals W/damper, UTC MK II Pro, Virpil TCS Plus Collective, Dell AW3418DW Gsync monitor, 970 Pro M2 2TB (for DCS), Playseat Air Force Seat, KW-980 Jetseat, Vaicom Pro, 3X TM Cougar with Lilliput 8" screens. Tek Creations panels and controllers.
Mike5560 Posted March 7, 2016 Posted March 7, 2016 The TISL controls the no longer used Pave Penny pod. It could only detect laser energy and did not have a laser itself..... So I dont see how having a mismatched code would affect your ability to lase through the TGP.
pengjn Posted March 8, 2016 Author Posted March 8, 2016 Unable to hit a bridge using CCRP Thanks everyone. Mucho success with GBU12's. I wasted a few taking out trucks to practice and they are pinpoint...now that I've provided them some laser to guide on. A couple of questions if I may... The initial lase (is that even a word?) is to establish range and accurately set the SPI...does Latch On impact this step or the post drop step? Does the Auto Lase option trigger the laser for guidance at the point of release for the specified number of seconds or the predicted time of impact minus the number of seconds specified? Either way surely an arbitrarily high number would seem sensible rather than trying to calculate the approx bomb fall time?? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk DCS 2.0 NTTR, EVGA GTX980 Ti Hybrid, 4790k, 16GB, 27" Apple Cinema Display, Thrustmaster HOTAS, Saitek Combat pedals, TrackIR 5 and...Oculus Rift CV1. Complete noob .:doh:
Blackeye Posted March 8, 2016 Posted March 8, 2016 (edited) The initial lase (is that even a word?) is to establish range and accurately set the SPI...does Latch On impact this step or the post drop step? It shouldn't however make sure you turn the laser off when dropping the bomb. You want it to fly ballistic at first because if you guide it right after release it will run out of energy and fall short. Does the Auto Lase option trigger the laser for guidance at the point of release for the specified number of seconds or the predicted time of impact minus the number of seconds specified? Time before calculated impact. Either way surely an arbitrarily high number would seem sensible rather than trying to calculate the approx bomb fall time?? Nope as said before you don't want to start the guidance too early. 10-15 seconds usually work fine. Edited March 8, 2016 by Blackeye
McBlemmen Posted March 8, 2016 Posted March 8, 2016 The initial lase (is that even a word?) is to establish range and accurately set the SPI... Really not necessary with laser guided weapons, only GPS guided weapons. (Not exacly an answer to your question , but still.) Does the Auto Lase option trigger the laser for guidance at the point of release for the specified number of seconds or the predicted time of impact minus the number of seconds specified? Either way surely an arbitrarily high number would seem sensible rather than trying to calculate the approx bomb fall time?? Yes that's how auto lase works , but under certain circumstances lasing too early can make your bombs miss since they will waste potential energy homing in on the laser while too high in the air. Personally i always use 10 seconds, but anything in that ballpark will do. I've used between 6 and 15, eventually i settled to just stick with 10.
Lucky Posted March 8, 2016 Posted March 8, 2016 It shouldn't however make sure you turn the laser off when dropping the bomb. You want it to fly ballistic at first because if you guide it right after release it will run out of energy and fall short. That's not what I've seen. I've been doing it that way as long as I can remember. It still hits right on target. 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Lian Li 011 Dynamic Evo, Core i9 11900K @ 5.0GHz, Corsair H150i CPU cooler, Asus Prime Z590-A, Radeon RX6800 XT64GB, Team T-Force Delta DDR4 3600, Corsair RM1000X PSU, Win 11 x64
marluk Posted March 8, 2016 Posted March 8, 2016 (edited) First of all, Lucky, I hate you because you have the same nick as me so I couldn't take it at the time I was creating forum account. ;) Before dropping GBU-12, I always set up profile options AUTO LASE - ON and LS TIME - 10 seconds and CCRP mode. Works good for me. Here is tutorial by Wags: [ame] [/ame] Tip: If you forget to turn laser on prior to dropping bomb, error messages will appear on MFDs. Don't panic! Just turn on laser switch and press Ins key on keyboard. This will turn laser on manually. Good luck! Edited March 9, 2016 by marluk [B]*NOB* Lucky[/B] [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Tko vrijedi leti, tko leti vrijedi, tko ne leti ne vrijedi
Yurgon Posted March 9, 2016 Posted March 9, 2016 Before dropping GBU-12, I always set up profile options AUTO LASE - ON and LS TIME - 10 seconds and CCRP mode. Works good for me. I used to do that too, but don't do it any longer (except for the CCRP part). If JTAC or other flight members want to do buddy lasing, I would either have to have two separate profiles at hand, or update the profile prior to my attack run. When the TGP is set to "Latch On", all it takes to lase myself is the flick of one button, and unlike other things, I don't usually forget to do that. ;) In essence, a profile without auto lasing offers more flexibility and has almost no downsides IMO. :smartass: Obviously, though, this is mostly relevant in MP. If I was flying SP exclusively, I'd probably do it exactly as you described because activating the laser is just one thing less to worry about then. :)
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