P51D engine power underperforming

[Kev2go]

I have owned the DCS p51 for a while but never got around to serious flying until fairly recently.

 

 

 

 

this is supposed to be a late model P51D ( I think a D30 block)

 

 

yet it can only hit 67HG.

 

 

 

 

67hg is reallly the bare minimum , only having this setting for a brief period? however eventually most P51s got boosted to 70HG and then of coursre the infamous 75 HG with 150 OCtane Fuel in MId 1944 in Europe.

 

this was standard among the 8th AF.

 

 

So how is it a late model mustang in DCS is only ever capable of reaching its minimum historical setting 67HG . Its important this is fixed, when the P51 is facing the Late model Bf109 K4, and Fw190 D9. which is late 1944 type of aircraft. there is even less reason for it to be have basic settings?

Edited June 9, 2016 by Kev2go

[HeadHunter52]

LOL. Good luck pursuing this. It's been tried many times before and got nowhere, because "the gains in performance are minimal..."

 

Stang gets no special love. You can get 67, if you go WEP. But don't stay there for long at 3000 rpm. Keep it around 2700 - 2800, and maybe full rich mixture to cool things down a bit.

 

yer sig "rather than offer you the illusion of free choice I will take the liberty of choosing for you......" yes, limited MP was chosen for you to help keep your engine intact.

[saburo_cz]

try key "E" when throttle is moved full forward and you get your 67"inHg

[Art-J]

"What's this?" - it's the MAP limit we've got since the module release in 2012. Can be bumped to 67 in WEP as previous posters noted.

 

Needless to say, it's been discussed ad nauseam for 4 years, but what future brings after Normandy map release, remains to be seen.

[rel4y]

I recommend reading the manual first before getting mad at ED for "effing up"..

 

But open the rads fully before breaking the seal or your engine will be toast in your first vertical maneuver. Alternatively dial back on RPM as said earlier.

 

"Whats this?" - good advice

[Kev2go]

LOL. Good luck pursuing this. It's been tried many times before and got nowhere, because "the gains in performance are minimal..."

 

Stang gets no special love. You can get 67, if you go WEP. But don't stay there for long at 3000 rpm. Keep it around 2700 - 2800, and maybe full rich mixture to cool things down a bit.

 

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yes its shame it doesn't

 

 

Guess the 8th Air force didnt think performance gains were "minimal" otherwise they would have bothered with 75hg and 150 octane fuel

 

 

 

I recommend reading the manual first before getting mad at ED for "effing up"..

 

But open the rads fully before breaking the seal or your engine will be toast in your first vertical maneuver. Alternatively dial back on RPM as said earlier.

 

"Whats this?" - good advice

 

 

 

yes i did thats how i got the aircraft up and running, and soaring in the sky.

 

 

"What's this?" - it's the MAP limit we've got since the module release in 2012. Can be bumped to 67 in WEP as previous posters noted.

 

Needless to say, it's been discussed ad nauseam for 4 years, but what future brings after Normandy map release, remains to be seen.

 

 

67 hg is still pretty low, thats its most basic setting, when they eventually bumped it up to 70HG and then 75HG settings along being supplied with higher grade fuel ( 150 octane fuel)

 

 

thats still a goof up by ED especially when your opponent is the Bf109 K4 and Fw190D9 which run at thier respective accurate engine settings.

 

and not a Bf109 G6 or Fw190 A or F model.

Edited June 9, 2016 by Kev2go

[Art-J]

Well, we've been told there would be some updates for Mustang when Normandy comes, to make it more ETO correct. Mostly gfx ones, as the current model is pure CBI/PTO, but maybe the higher ratings question will be raised again.

[Krupi]

Chaps read Racoons post below...

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=165068

 

Once they have some hands free I am sure ED will address the issue.

[Kev2go]

ah i see thanks for the info

 

 

hopefully when they have free time or Europe 1944 map arrives, ED will address this long standing issue

 

 

Although i cant help but wonder why they gave us a ww2 PTO stang in the first place, when next planned ( now added) ww2 additions were German aircraft. used in Europe.

 

 

in the pacific the ww2 D mustangs weren't limited to just 67Hg were they?

Edited June 10, 2016 by Kev2go

[MAD-MM]

Because P-51 was done with nothing in mind more only side hobby by ED to devlop a P-51 and fly around.

All later planes and Normandy Map was coming along as thrid party from RPG with luthier chief in charge and have nothing to do with the P-51. After RPG broke ED thankfull take the project in his hands, and make future progress.

Without ED we had today only a P-51 nothing more.

[Ala13_ManOWar]

Although i cant help but wonder why they gave us a ww2 PTO stang in the first place, when next planned ( now added) ww2 additions were German aircraft. used in Europe.

You people seem to forget things surprisingly quick. P-51 was firstly released just as a technology demonstrator showing how DCS engine could handle even prop engines models more accurately than anything available. We're talking 2012 IIRC. They just grabbed the P-51 they had at hand in TFC and modelled it, no PTO, no ETO, no 44 or 45, no nothing in mind. Now they are aware in a Normandy theatre that model has to be updated to a historical standard and so they said they will. We all are eager to put our hands on Spit, P-47, Normandy map and everything, so let them work mates.

 

S!

Edited June 10, 2016 by Ala13_ManOWar

[Hummingbird]

Wasn't 67" Hg the standard for most units in the ETO? Last I heard that was the deal.

[Solty]

Wasn't 67" Hg the standard for most units in the ETO? Last I heard that was the deal.

Biggest unit in the ETO was the 8th AAF "Mighty Eight" that was responsible for most German losses in ETO and biggest destruction of German cities and production capabilities.

 

They used 150oct and 72'hg. They were the main P-51D user in the theater.

Edited June 13, 2016 by Solty

[gavagai]

Biggest unit in the ETO was the 8th AAF "Mighty Eight" that was responsible for most German losses in ETO

 

Yes, but it wasn't the P-51D that did that.:smilewink:

[Solty]

Yes, but it wasn't the P-51D that did that.:smilewink:

Of course. But it was a vital part of it. Beeing able to escort 8th AAF bombers even into Poland and destroy Luftwaffe oposition there. It was the fighter of choice when it came to escort. And certainly it did an amazing job at grounding the Luftwaffe at this stage of the war. P-47 was unable to do that unltill very late and at that point most of them were relegated to ground support and P-38 was just not good enough to tackle German formations untill the 'L' model.

 

So yeah, P-51D since Normandy up to the end of year 1945 was the most important fighter for USAAF in WETO.

[MiloMorai]

There was 18 FGs equipped with P-51s in the 8th AF with up to 2268 a/c in total.

[gavagai]

P-47 was unable to do that unltill very late and at that point most of them were relegated to ground support.

 

The P-47 was never relegated to ground support.;)

[x39crazy]

Relegated eh?

Zemkes wolf pack would disagree. More kills than any other 8th AF fighter group.

Fact is it was just better at it, and still a top of its game fighter.

The mustang was just a flying gas tank.

Edited June 14, 2016 by x39crazy

[Chrinik]

Sadly, guys, we don´t HAVE a european P-51D...

 

They already said they are probably going to include a european version of the P-51D that will have 72'hg....So calm down and carry on XD

[MiloMorai]

The P-47 was never relegated to ground support.;)

 

The 9th AF was a tactical air force and that is where almost all of the P-47s ended up in the ETO.

 

[ame]http://www.afhso.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-100924-018.pdf[/ame]

 

 

There was 9 fighter/bomber groups in the 9th AF in Aug 1944.

[Cripple]

....The mustang was just a flying gas tank.

 

:megalol:

[Kurfürst]

So yeah, P-51D since Normandy up to the end of year 1945 was the most important fighter for USAAF in WETO.

 

There was no P-51D-25s over Normandy, so we should not have it in the first place, we should have a P-47D instead, and perhaps a very, very rare P-51B(eta) with the 4 jammy guns and a high alttiude V-1650-3 at 67", and without the aerdynamic fixes the D-25 received. :P

[Solty]

There was no P-51D-25s over Normandy, so we should not have it in the first place, we should have a P-47D instead, and perhaps a very, very rare P-51B(eta) with the 4 jammy guns and a high alttiude V-1650-3 at 67", and without the aerdynamic fixes the D-25 received. :P

There were no K4s, D9s and 262s over Normandy. Your point?

 

How many times do we have to go through this? Stop creating this reality in which Mustang has to be specific to the Normandy map and Germans escape that reality because "German engineering".

 

Nobody said "Normandy only". We are talking about ETO or rather WETO which is whole from France to Berlin. And P-51D became very prominent since then.

 

Relegated eh?

Zemkes wolf pack would disagree. More kills than any other 8th AF fighter group.

Fact is it was just better at it, and still a top of its game fighter.

The mustang was just a flying gas tank.

When P-47D comes to DCS you will see what I mean. And I can tell you currently that P-51D even with 67'hg is going to be the best what Allies have in DCS.

Have fun Copy Pasting hate against the Mustang. The sad thing is, that you believe that.

EDIT: Also check for how long Hub Zemke and his Wolfpack flew and when P-51D was introduced and maybe you understand how it works. Oh and P-47 carries more fuel than P-51D, it just drinks way more as well:3

 

Sadly, guys, we don´t HAVE a european P-51D...

 

They already said they are probably going to include a european version of the P-51D that will have 72'hg....So calm down and carry on XD

Racoon just said they are going to make a new 3D model that works within European theater. It was not specified if it will get 72'hg. All we know for now is that they will change it to 3D model from 1944 instead of PTO one.

 

 

@MiloMorai. Thanks Milo, very interesting. I'll read it in my free time :)

Edited June 14, 2016 by Solty

[Kurfürst]

Oh wait a minute, Solty, so suddenly that we have found out that there were no P-51D-25s over Normandy at all, that mantra that you have been spouted around in every single thread about no 109Ks over Normandy is now INVALID all the sudden?

 

Its no longer a qualifying criteria for the P-51D-25, right, because whoa, suddenly history does not apply, only if it would serve the Allied fanboys daydream about trashing 1943 planes in his overboosted 1945-ish Mustang, right?

 

But wait a minute. Lets follow that thought. IF history no longer applies, where did the "I want my so-called historical 72" boost" go...? Yup, that's right brother, you flushed that down in the toilet as well.

 

If history will be damned, and we are to have P-51D-25s or 109Ks or 190Ds over Normandy that never were there, explain us why we would need to run them at historical boosts of the historical 8th AAF (and only the 8th AAF).

[gavagai]

The 9th AF was a tactical air force and that is where almost all of the P-47s ended up in the ETO.

 

relegated

 

:beer: