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BadHabit

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There is nothing wrong with the FM. Post #212 shows yes a bug but it is not related how the aircraft behaves on normal, critical or supercritical regimes. Physics and all the wrao about aerodynamics are code in code wraped by an coded engine. Shit happens. I would bedamned if any of us will try and fly like this on the usual whatever type mission you fly on average. The plane is awesome, it's complex has s great learning curve. A supreme flying experience and the "it stays on hangar" bugs are over. Haters gonna hate. Bye bye

 

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RNeves

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There is nothing wrong with the FM. Post #212 shows yes a bug but it is not related how the aircraft behaves on normal, critical or supercritical regimes. Physics and all the wrao about aerodynamics are code in code wraped by an coded engine. Shit happens. I would bedamned if any of us will try and fly like this on the usual whatever type mission you fly on average. The plane is awesome, it's complex has s great learning curve. A supreme flying experience and the "it stays on hangar" bugs are over. Haters gonna hate. Bye bye

 

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Dude, the video in the link I posted before is criticizing the ones who criticize the FM, and I clearly say that I think the same way (i also criticized the ones who criticized the FM)...

 

 

Please, next time read the full conversation before making any statement, because as I explained, I also think this airplane is awesome! :)

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Seems you are on the same line, just chill and open a beer. :D

 

 

Unless LN get enough crowfunding to pay a dozen of Mig21 to crash, everything outside the critical limit of the flight envellope will stay guesswork. It's obviously not perfect... but hell, that's still better than most other simulator, including MarketiXplane. And i'm actually not LN best fan.

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Dugong

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everything outside the critical limit of the flight envellope will stay guesswork. It's obviously not perfect... but hell, that's still better than most other simulator, including MarketiXplane. And i'm actually not LN best fan.

 

Belsimtek seem to manage pretty damn well without crashing anything, then again they do have a lot more experience with 5 or so top notch modules under the belt so far.

bkthunder

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Yet the fact that puts all of this in doubt is a consequence of the following facts:

 

1. They have a MiG-21 pilot developing the FM

2. The FM ha been advertised throughout the development cycle as being realistic etc. etc.

3. At some point a patch comes out, and some aspects of the FM undergo dramatic changes.

 

So, either the FM was wrong before, and is correct now. Or it was correct before, and is wrong now. Or it's was always wrong. I don't know. What does the active duty MiG-21 pilot think about this?

 

It's not how the FM is, I'm no MiG-21 pilot so I will never know how the real one flies. It's the fact that there have been changes to the flight model that are beyond "tweaking" and stand in the realm of "overhaul". So who knows, maybe the next patch will bring a completely new high-AoA behaviour, different roll rate etc.

 

The people praising the FM now are probably the same people that were praising it before, when it was way different.

 

Me? I just want a realistic and accurate FM, whatever that is, but they should explain why some things have changed so much, I see nothing specific in the changelog.

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Neuman

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Yet the fact that puts all of this in doubt is a consequence of the following facts:

 

So, either the FM was wrong before, and is correct now. Or it was correct before, and is wrong now. Or it's was always wrong..

 

the best version was in the middle 2015

if fix in the 2015 version of these problems:

 

a) inertial rotation and speed of the roll at angles of attack

b)proper operation of systems ARU,

C)lacked a bit of energy in sustained turn

 

 

that would be the best of all the iterations

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BadHabit

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Look guys another professional coder/pilot/engineer. Why don't you make your own FM or even model. Go to github they will help ;D

 

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ody81

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That is a pretty strong statement. What is it based on? Are you a mig-21 pilot?

 

 

 

If you can't please everyone, it's always wrong, correctness of the fm is a subjective thing for anyone who hasn't flown a 21 after all.

 

 

 

If you're not sitting in the actual aircraft in real life, then the fm will always be wrong.

 

 

 

Pick one of these or both.

 

 

 

Can't see what all the fuss is about, if it's really wrong, calm down, it'll get fixed.

grunf

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Yes, specifically the MiG - 21bis 7 years of flight .

Well, then, glad to have you here :thumbup:. Maybe you can provide some constructive input to the devs, I'm sure they'll listen. Just saying that it's wrong doesn't help much. :D

Cobra847

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The simple fact with flight models is:

 

You can make the most minute tweak, and it will affect flight parameters across the entire flight envelope, in ways you can't really predict or foresee. That is why it is a long, arduous process. Sometimes you think you get it right (it "feels" right)- but you run an automated test, and it shows that the acceleration is completely wrong.

 

We try to adhere to performance charts as closely as possible, while blending it with subjective feelings of how it is to actually fly the aircraft. Charts never tell the whole story, and neither does text.

For this revision of the FM, we actually took the time to record some new, real life telemetry in a training flight, just to verify a few things.

 

Any bugs found will be fixed, and tweaks will continue to happen.

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Tango3B

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Yes, specifically the MiG - 21bis 7 years of flight .

 

Sarmatt, you say you flew the MiG-21 for a couple of years. Do you still have access to the charts that tell you the angle settings for ASP in manual bombing mode plus the maneuver entry and delivery speeds? Or do you possibly remember these angle settings and corresponding speeds?

You would help a lot if you were able to provide us with these...

Frischi234

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Sarmatt, you say you flew the MiG-21 for a couple of years. Do you still have access to the charts that tell you the angle settings for ASP in manual bombing mode plus the maneuver entry and delivery speeds? Or do you possibly remember these angle settings and corresponding speeds?

You would help a lot if you were able to provide us with these...

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=167380

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firmek

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Any updates with today release?

F/A-18, F-16, F-14, M-2000C, A-10C, AV-8B, AJS-37 Viggen, F-5E-3, F-86F, MiG-21bis, MiG-15bis, L-39 Albatros, C-101 Aviojet, P-51D, Spitfire LF Mk. IX, Bf 109 4-K, UH-1H, Mi-8, Ka-50, NTTR, Normandy, Persian Gulf... and not enough time to fully enjoy it all

Cobra847

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Now that dynamic lights are working in the sim again; we'll make sure the MiG-21 cockpit lights are included for the next update (or release as hotfix, as planned)

 

Update 1 for 1.5.4 contains the following MiG-21 fixes:

 

  • Tuned Engine for Acceleration & Climb performance adherance
  • ASP Reticle offset fix for windy conditions

Nicholas Dackard

 

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grunf

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Now that dynamic lights are working in the sim again; we'll make sure the MiG-21 cockpit lights are included for the next update (or release as hotfix, as planned)

 

Update 1 for 1.5.4 contains the following MiG-21 fixes:

 

  • Tuned Engine for Acceleration & Climb performance adherance
  • ASP Reticle offset fix for windy conditions

Thanks! :thumbup:

 

 

The hotfix would be appreciated. :D

Harle

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Sarmatt, you say you flew the MiG-21 for a couple of years. Do you still have access to the charts that tell you the angle settings for ASP in manual bombing mode plus the maneuver entry and delivery speeds? Or do you possibly remember these angle settings and corresponding speeds?

You would help a lot if you were able to provide us with these...

 

A former mig-21 ground service member shared those tables already in one of the bug threads.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/tpnrpqq9j07jpgi/AAA7tgCO9kIdjz7I8U4b-CWWa?dl=0

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