It just doesnt want to run smooth..

[urpark]

Hey Folks.

 

I'm having stutters and lags every 2-4secs (while having stable 60fps though) for such a long time now and really about to give up on DCS and that problem if I doesnt get that solved finally.. :cry:

 

I already tried so many things..:

 

I just upgraded my System with a brand new

i7-4790K on a Gigabyte Z97X-Gaming 3

 

Im using a GeForce GTX960 2GB

 

I reinstalled Windows 7 64bit

 

and reinstalled DCS on a SSD (windows is still on a HDD)

 

Knowing that my 8GB DDR-1600 might be not enough, I am still completely unable to play on even the lowest minimum Settings! It is like every 4 secs somebody pauses the game for a split second if there are to many units around.

 

Landing is horrible that way. :(

 

And it even gets worse, if I try to join a multiplayer server!

I am not able to taxi cause those stutters and lags end me and my plane running into crosscountry.

Simply not playable and it feels like my Computer first needs to catch some breath for a while, after I forced the game to quit from multiplayer..

 

I also tried the suggested actions in this thread here:

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=68060

 

disabled C1E, EIST (speed step) and HyperThreading. nope.

 

 

Im running out of ideas and I'm not willing to buy or change anything else before I get to know, what you guys think, what the problem could be..

I was full of hope, that the new CPU will solve it after a SSD didnt brought any difference :noexpression:

 

 

Thanks!

 

PS: I am also flying in IL2 BOS, stable, without a single problem.

Edited September 22, 2016 by urpark

[javelina1]

Little surprised you didn't put your O/S onto the SSD. That will always help as well. I have Win 8.1 and DCS on the same SSD, no issues running that way.

[kaffehtrinkhen]

Did you try to move the page file to the ssd? Maybe it helps...

[TomOnSteam]

Stuttering to me would indicate a memory issue. But I also have 8Gb and I rarely get stuttering.

 

have you got the latest firmware/BIOS on your motherboard? And latest Intel Chipset/Nvidia Drivers? There might be some memory leak or memory bottleneck bug that was fixed in an updated firmware/drivers.

[Godzila]

I have similar or worse specs and can run game fine. No stutters on 1080p even with headtracking. I have 4ghz dualcore CPU, cheapest 8GB stick of RAM, 4GB 760 and sytem on HDD, DCS on SSD (I still belive this is better). I am sure your hardware is more than adequate.

 

I would guess that you have some chipset or disk driver problem that causes stutters when loading textures. Most graphic settings in game don't have large impact on performance while some absolutely kill performance.

 

Are you sure you run DCS in fullscreen mode?

Which DCS models you use and on which map? Some modules are way more demanding than others.

[Drona]

Put the OS and DCS on the SSD and it should be okay.

[aceviper]

Post your in game settings first.

It could be gfx card heat related.

Make sure your gtx960 is not hovering around its max temperature.

I have seen this issue or something like it on my system.

Run a program that controls your fan speed..like evga precision for example and start it before you start DCS.

Have your card fan running say at least 65% while in game...more if needed.

Doing this got rid of my stutter.

Not sure it will help but give it a try.

[Fab]

Do you have a good powersupply?

[droopy114]

Hey Folks.

 

I'm having stutters and lags every 2-4secs (while having stable 60fps though) for such a long time now and really about to give up on DCS and that problem if I doesnt get that solved finally.. :cry:

 

I already tried so many things..:

 

I just upgraded my System with a brand new

i7-4790K on a Gigabyte Z97X-Gaming 3

 

Im using a GeForce GTX960 2GB

 

I reinstalled Windows 7 64bit

 

and reinstalled DCS on a SSD (windows is still on a HDD)

 

Knowing that my 8GB DDR-1600 might be not enough, I am still completely unable to play on even the lowest minimum Settings! It is like every 4 secs somebody pauses the game for a split second if there are to many units around.

 

Landing is horrible that way. :(

 

And it even gets worse, if I try to join a multiplayer server!

I am not able to taxi cause those stutters and lags end me and my plane running into crosscountry.

Simply not playable and it feels like my Computer first needs to catch some breath for a while, after I forced the game to quit from multiplayer..

 

I also tried the suggested actions in this thread here:

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=68060

 

disabled C1E, EIST (speed step) and HyperThreading. nope.

 

 

Im running out of ideas and I'm not willing to buy or change anything else before I get to know, what you guys think, what the problem could be..

I was full of hope, that the new CPU will solve it after a SSD didnt brought any difference :noexpression:

 

 

Thanks!

 

PS: I am also flying in IL2 BOS, stable, without a single problem.

 

Post your in-game options, to have a good start.

[MegOhm_SD]

Your getting there, now finish the deal.

 

I would OC that CPU and would consider a new GPU. Put the OS and DCS on SSD.

 

That 2GB card is just not enough anymore.

 

I would also get another 8GB Ram since it's so cheap today.

Edited September 22, 2016 by MegOhm_SD

[cichlidfan]

2GB is just not enough anymore.

 

This. A 2GB graphics card is probably the root of the problem.

[urpark]

Hey Guys, thanks a bunch for all your replys so far!

 

Did you try to move the page file to the ssd? Maybe it helps...

 

I already completely disabled the pagefile to be sure, but that sadly didnt brought any remarkable difference..

 

 

have you got the latest firmware/BIOS on your motherboard? And latest Intel Chipset/Nvidia Drivers? There might be some memory leak or memory bottleneck bug that was fixed in an updated firmware/drivers.

 

Yes, the Motherboard is fresh and the BIOS Version is from last month. Drivers are also up to date, cause I just reinstalled everything. But I am going to test my RAM with "Memtest" to be sure, everything is alright here.

 

 

I would guess that you have some chipset or disk driver problem that causes stutters when loading textures. Most graphic settings in game don't have large impact on performance while some absolutely kill performance.

 

Are you sure you run DCS in fullscreen mode?

Which DCS models you use and on which map? Some modules are way more demanding than others.

 

That is also my impression, that loading stuff might cause those problems. It gets better if I run it with minimum settings but doesnt get solved though. And my System should run it better normally.

I tested it on Caucasus with the MiG21 and F86-Sabre so far, with some AIs here and there, in Fullscreen.

 

 

Post your in game settings first.

It could be gfx card heat related.

Make sure your gtx960 is not hovering around its max temperature.

 

Thanks, I will definitely try that out, didnt checked my Grahpic Card Status so far while inGame, cause I thought the GTX could handle it.

 

 

Do you have a good powersupply?

 

That is a good point, 500W, maybe not. See next paragraph for further details. But why do those issues only appear in DCS and not in IL2 for instance, which is also fairly performance hungry?

 

 

My precise System Specs are:

Intel Core i7 4790K 4Ghz with boxed Cooling

Gigabyte Z97X-Gaming 3

Gainward FeForce GTX960 2GB

Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB DDR3 1600mhz

LEPA MX-F1 500W Power Supply

 

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Alright, did some tests and joined the Aerobatics Server and checked my System under load.

Seems like the RAM comes to its limits. What confuses me, is that my HDD is also workin while im in DCS even its on the SSD (D://)

 

Checked also the GraphicsCard, it was indeed running hot. So I pitched up the Fan and it came down to 40-50°C which is alright. But the Micro Lags, Stutters or whatever I should call them ;) sadly didnt vanished.

 

As you can see further down, Im playing on minimum settings mostly.

 

 

Next steps would be:

 

1)Check out if more RAM brings any difference (maybe I can borrow a bar from my flatmate, can I mix different DDR3 Rams? like 1600 and 3200 for instance?)

 

2)Put the OS on a SSD. (wanna get rid of that HDD anyway)

 

3)Try out the GTX970 from my flatmate which has 4GB

 

4)Change the PowerSupply.

 

5)Sell all modules, go out, and try to forget this beautiful product. :drunk::megalol:

Edited September 22, 2016 by urpark

[urpark]

*edit*

 

This. A 2GB graphics card is probably the root of the problem.

 

Thanks for your replys. That could be also something causing those lags.

I checked my GPU more precisely. Situation was, standing in the parking slot on the AerobaticsServer, Lags happening every 3-7secs.

 

My memory was only about 25% used (bottom graph).

 

Still, other games are workin pretty good, only DCS is the sad thing.

 

Your getting there, now finish the deal.

 

I would OC that CPU

 

hmm.. But it runs already on 4,4Ghz in Boost Mode and the CPU never comes to its limits yet. Do you really think its not enough so far? :D

 

I updated my to do list. I included testing my system with a better GPU.

 

So the next steps would be the following. What do you think?

 

 

1)Check out if more RAM brings any difference (maybe I can borrow a bar from my flatmate, can I mix different DDR3 Rams? like 1600 and 3200 for instance?)

 

2)Put the OS on a SSD. (wanna get rid of that HDD anyway someday :D)

 

3)Try out the GTX970 from my flatmate which has 4GB

 

4)Change the PowerSupply.

 

5)Sell all the modules, go out, and try to forget about this beautiful product.

 

GPU Status:

Edited September 22, 2016 by urpark

[kaffehtrinkhen]

This. A 2GB graphics card is probably the root of the problem.

 

 

I play DCS on my XPS 15 (2016) with medium setting. The onboard 960m 2gb gives me 60fps without stuttering.

[kaffehtrinkhen]

@Urpark

Your setting are interesting... do you really use anisotropic filtering 16x with 2560x1440?

[urpark]

@Urpark

Your setting are interesting... do you really use anisotropic filtering 16x with 2560x1440?

 

 

haha good point mate :music_whistling: totally forgot about that option.

Tested AF turned off immediately.

But that wasnt the issue. That would had been embarrassing :renske:

 

Tried to connect two times to different multiplayer servers, both times DCS crashed.

Made a quick mission then, and still, those lags did not disappeared. :no_sad:

[BitMaster]

Could be as simple as the wrong NV driver for your GPU, might work with ANY other game on your rig but sure not DCS ( same applies to my rig ).

 

Try 368.82 version driver and see if that fixes your issue.

 

Still...2GB VRAM is not enough tbh and 8GB is the lower limit, upgrade both to have more ooomps ;) Still, even those systems, if not top notch configured, may stutter, regardless if 3.4GHz or 5.x GHz, seen Titan-X's going bad.... it's a narrow edge you gotta find where it runs very smooth.

[msalama]

Do you press LAlt-Enter to go into fullscreen mode before entering a mission?

[cichlidfan]

I play DCS on my XPS 15 (2016) with medium setting. The onboard 960m 2gb gives me 60fps without stuttering.

 

On a mobile chip, with only 2GB, I would consider that a miracle. Apparently, you have found the sweet spot, with regard to settings, for your machine. Good job. :)

[SkateZilla]

Memory from SSD will be Fast, Memory Read from HDD will be Slow,

 

Swap File for Memory is Prolly on C:\

[JG14_Smil]

Hello,

 

It is probably no consolation for you but your post helped me. I run a 6000x1920 PLPL monitor setup. I only fly the BS, so the big setup doesn't affect me as if I was in a dogfighter. DCS was running choppy for me, more so than I remember, and not enjoyable as such. I went to safe mode and uninstalled all the Nvidia stuff I could find. I had to uninstall the PhysX back in normal mode Windows. I reloaded the 368.81 drivers and GeForce experience only, nothing else. I believe I loaded these over the latest Nvidia drivers I did not like earlier, causing my troubles.

 

The clean install really helped my DCS. The chunks have turned back into surges, normal for the big screens (I'm not too picky with the monitor setup, I know there are tradeoffs). I can actually start going back up with graphics options in the DCS UI.

 

I also note that my side monitors are over scanning. I can't see the FPS counter in DCS. I know how to fix this, but it is running so well that I'll go without the side monitor edges for now. I'll test it in the future to see if it is a cause of trouble in the PLP monitors.

 

Good luck, I hope you get it worked out.

[urpark]

It got it running smooth finally.

 

It really was the OS running on an HDD.

I started assuming it to be the case, after I runned a benchmark using the Tool provided at

 

http://www.userbenchmark.com/

 

I can recommend this by the way!

The Benchmark showed loading and writing times below the average of other HDDs of the same Brand and model.

This HDD was running for 5 years now, maybe it just is kinda "worn out" It loads ~20mb/s less then it should.

 

Now Im able to play on High Settings at 2K with this Setup:

 

i74790k @ 4ghz

GTX 960 2GB

8GB DDR3-1600 RAM

OS and DCS on seperate SSDs (250gb & 500GB)

Windows 7

 

UserBenchmarks: Game 52%, Desk 84%, Work 45%

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K - 87.1%

GPU: Nvidia GTX 960 - 51.8%

SSD: Samsung 850 Evo 500GB - 114%

SSD: Samsung 750 EVO 250GB - 84.9%

RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws DDR3 1600 C9 2x4GB - 59.2%

MBD: Gigabyte GA-Z97X-Gaming 3

 

Referring to this Data, GPU would be the next big thing to do :D

But first I need to get my hands on those MFG Crosswind Pedals :D

 

What a relief, Im back in the air and finally can start learning the M2000 :pilotfly:

Thanks for your help guys.

 

Edited October 11, 2016 by urpark

[Konovalov]

Glad you got it sorted.

 

I purchased, what is small by todays standard, a Samsung 830 250 GB SSD for my OS, programs and a couple of games. Now with SSD storage having dropped significantly in price over the last year I have an additional 480GB SSD just for games.

 

The point is you don't have to fork out half a grand on a 1TB SSD. Just buy a 250GB or 500GB SSD to put the games you play along with your operating system and other programs. Use an "old" mechanical drive for storing photos and other data that has a large data footprint.

 

If you are made of money then by all means go out an get a couple of 2TB SSD's. :thumbup:

[BitMaster]

Despite the current success I'd still add another 8GB RAM.

 

Your DCS likes it and the SSDs run better with more sysram.

 

 

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[urpark]

Glad you got it sorted.

 

If you are made of money then by all means go out an get a couple of 2TB SSD's. :thumbup:

 

Or even two 2TB SSDs and couple them together in a RAID system for double speed. If I just had a MoneyTree in my Garden, I would do a lot of beautiful things with it :D

 

 

Despite the current success I'd still add another 8GB RAM.

 

Your DCS likes it and the SSDs run better with more sysram.

 

Correct. Considering ram rather as a small upgrade, I only wrote the next BIG thing is the GPU.

More DDR happens along the way, fortunately its not expensive anymore.

 

Also a point is upgrading to Windows10, from what I heard it can better operate newer CPUs and SSDs than Windows 7 and support higher DirectX. Maybe it also works better with a 4k Resolution. Windows 7 sadly is not usable in 4k (everything's to little)