Possibility of getting a JA37 after AJS release!

[Veritech]

Is there any chance you guys would start to develop a mid-80s version of the JA-37C when the AJS gets full release?

 

That would me more interesting than a JA-37Di with AMRAAMs and a FC3 layout that you were thinking of as a possibility.

 

I do not want to sound like I'm demanding anything, I just want to know if you had contemplated the idea before!

 

Thanks!

 

Regards,

 

V

Edited December 4, 2016 by Veritech

[EasyEB]

I can almost guarantee they have thought about it. The JA is however still under more layers of classified than the AJ(S) is.

 

As a Swede I'd much rather see a Jaktviggen than even the Tomcat. But hemligt is hemligt and I'm not staying up waiting for the JA.

[Veritech]

Do you think that technology from the 80s is still classified in Sweden? Wow!

 

I love the fact we are getting a ground attack aircraft with a working radar, I even prefer this version over the fighter version because of it being original in its role to DCS, but I'd love to the the JA as well.

[EasyEB]

Yeah, some of the systems from the JA37 were inherited by the JAS39 which is still active, and even though it's several generations of stuff later, I suppose the Swedish Air Force still don't see any need to declassify the stuff.

[renhanxue]

The general rule is that if it's older than 40 years* then it shall be declassified... if you ask for it. If it's newer it can be declassified if you ask for it, if the authorities concerned consider it non-sensitive. Almost nothing will be declassified unless someone asks for it.

 

The main thing in the JA 37 that could be sensitive still is the fighter to fighter data link, since that same link was later developed into the Gripen to Gripen data link that supplements Link 16. There could also be multilateral agreements protecting information about the Skyflash, for example, and when I got the AJS 37 manual they didn't want to give me the chapter on ECM (although that seems to have been "just to be safe" - they did tell me that if I really wanted it I could just ask and they'd bring it up with the Air Force, since they couldn't declassify it themselves at the national archives). I haven't actually attempted to request declassification of any JA 37 stuff though.

 

*40 years is the general catch-all term. Stuff related to military intelligence is 90 years (was 70 until very recently), "military-scientific research" is... 70?, and "the fixed defenses of the realm" (fortifications, bunkers etc) is 120 years.

Edited December 4, 2016 by renhanxue

[EasyEB]

That's interesting! Thanks for clarification.

[Veritech]

Very interesting information indeed!

 

I know no matter how "old" the ECM systems, they remain classified for years and years. I doubt LNS got much information about them.

 

Thanks for sharing!

[Goblin]

They could probably make an early JA... And maybe if the AJS is a huge success, economically..?

[RaXha]

One thing to keep in mind is that he JA is significantly different from the AJS, it's just barelly the same aircraft :P. Development time will probablybe almost as long as any other module for DCS. :-)

[Veritech]

It is different indeed. Dimentions are slightly different as well as internals are quite different. I never implied that they were similar! :)

[MickeEinSweden]

I'll by two copies of AJS if it could help so LN would do an JA ;)

I do understand thats it is quite a difference between them. Hope for the future..

[grunf]

I hope we'll at least get the AI JA37.

[Justin Case]

It's all about the info available, or not available in this case...

[drPhibes]

Access to classified systems is always something you need to work around in some way or another. The trick is to make believable approximations of the systems without revealing sensitive or classified data. That's the way it's done with the TGP, RWR, jammer and DSMS in the A-10C (and most likely also the upcoming F/A-18C).

[boopidoo]

I hope we'll at least get the AI JA37.

Even if they release a very basic FC3-style JA37C (or JA-37Di) I would definitely buy it.

[Veritech]

I wouldn't; I'm almost dne with FC3 aircraft.

 

(Except with the Flanker... sometimes...)

[myHelljumper]

Please, no more FC3.

[QuiGon]

Please, no more FC3.

 

+1

[Mmmslash]

Please, no more FC3.

 

This opinion is perpetually maligned but: I think there is plenty of room for FC3 level of simulation in DCS.

 

In the same way that I can still enjoy IL-2 while loving the full-fidelity of DCSor BMS, I too can appreciate the FC3 level airplanes. Assuming the things Wags has said in the past are true (that the F-15C is the best selling module by a country mile) they greatly benefit the platform (DCS World), and I don't think it hurts to have more flyables (especially ones that new players could experience before moving onto study level simulations), assuming they are priced accordingly and their performance in-game isn't so made-up as to make it unfun for the rest of folks.

 

At the end of the day, I would much rather be able to fly packages of AJS-37's in realistic scenarios with friends than not be able to. More fun for everyone sounds good to me.

[antagonist]

The general rule is that if it's older than 40 years* then it shall be declassified... if you ask for it. If it's newer it can be declassified if you ask for it, if the authorities concerned consider it non-sensitive. Almost nothing will be declassified unless someone asks for it.

 

The main thing in the JA 37 that could be sensitive still is the fighter to fighter data link, since that same link was later developed into the Gripen to Gripen data link that supplements Link 16. There could also be multilateral agreements protecting information about the Skyflash, for example, and when I got the AJS 37 manual they didn't want to give me the chapter on ECM (although that seems to have been "just to be safe" - they did tell me that if I really wanted it I could just ask and they'd bring it up with the Air Force, since they couldn't declassify it themselves at the national archives). I haven't actually attempted to request declassification of any JA 37 stuff though.

 

*40 years is the general catch-all term. Stuff related to military intelligence is 90 years (was 70 until very recently), "military-scientific research" is... 70?, and "the fixed defenses of the realm" (fortifications, bunkers etc) is 120 years.

 

While I agree in general, the encryption used would be the most sensitive part of the whole thing...and it is utterly irrelevant for modeling its capabilities in DCS.

 

Since Gripen uses an evolved version of it, odds are they've become so distinct from one another you cannot reliably take the Viggen's and extrapolate from it the limitations and capabilities the Gripen's has.

[Pocket Sized]

I've heard a few times that ED is no longer accepting anything less than fully clickable, AFM modules in the future. It makes sense, as it keeps developers from undertaking module development unless they're certain they can meet those standards.

 

As much as I'd like to see a fighter Viggen, I think the dev time could better spent on other projects for the time being...

[Mmmslash]

I believe that refers to from ED themselves, Pocket.

[Grundar]

While A JA-37 would be nice... a Draken would be much cooler!

[AdurianJ]

The J35J would be awesome.

I also think nothing is secret about the bird and people are still alive who seem happy to share their knowledge !

 

It's also a much more fun era to play in before active radar missiles became common !