State of the MiG-21bis

[JazonXD]

Hi everyone, seeing that there's the enticing Christmas sale of the MiG-21bis, I was wondering what the condition of the module is.

 

How finished is everything? How "fixed" is everything - is everything that needed to be fixed is fixed? How optimised is performance and other refinements? And what's the biggest drawback that we have to deal with for this module?

 

Thanks!

[some1]

A similar thread not so long ago: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=178346

[Dugong]

There is quite a lot of problems at the moment. The FM is still a work in progress. There are quite a few bugs at the moment with the IR missiles, the gunpods don't work, the nuke panel doesn't work & The ASP and weapons selector are still awaiting a rework.

[Esac_mirmidon]

And also the totally forgotten BACKERS and the promised rewards.

 

Firsts that trusted in the LN Mig-21 project with our money and best hopes and still waiting. But hey, there are lovely Viggen T-Shirts to buy.

[JazonXD]

ouch. ain't sound too fun? I always hear great things about this module though. Any other thoughts?

[viperdogsnake]

Great module, but it has been in better shape

[jaxx_za]

Bought it a few months ago and have no regrets - best module for that era in my opinion - fits nicely between the complexity of the a-10 and the seat of the pants ww2 era planes.

 

Flight model feels good - but I believe the performance outside of afterburner is not 100%. Doesn't kill the sim for me, but the need to excess AB use does limit range somewhat.

 

Other issue I've come across is that of having to cycle the weapon selector upon every weapons release - but not a major issue if you can assign a key on the hotas.

 

If you are looking for a jet from this era, I'd say go for it - you won't be sorry.

[Saigon]

Good Morning.

I Love the Mig-21. Personally I think it is a great module but I find it a bit inefficient in combat, for various reasons that relate to the status of the current version. I preferred much more the previous FM for example. Now it seems to go in a gondola with this "roll inertia".

For me to hit a target on the ground is very difficult because the ASP does not help much especially with bombs.

Once there was the possibility of assigning ON/OFF commands to separate buttons as "ON" to button 1 and "OFF" to button 2, then the option has been taken away is do not understand why there can not be both; the actual command list and the previous list. Post some pictures to better explain what I mean. At that time I had just built with these panels LeoBodnar cards but then the command list has changed and now there is only as an opportunity to provide ON/OFF at the same button.

However there are still things to fix, such as the Gun pod panelBox.

The FOV I preferred the first. I do not understand why now we have a FOV 150, when I put the zoom wheel to zero going too far back in the cockpit. I think for me the biggest problem is given by the poor communication by LN, often would be enough to give simple answers and some more explanation to users or customers to what made this aircraft a little 'overlooked. This is why I'll wait before taking the Viggen, who is one of my favorite aircraft in reality. Since I now possess only the MiG -21 and It is more than a year I fly only 21 which is always fascinating but it's time to change planes. I greet all of you and wish you a Happy new Year at LN and Cobra for your Viggen, I'm very curious.:thumbup:

Edited December 29, 2016 by Saigon

[Cobra847]

And also the totally forgotten BACKERS and the promised rewards.

 

Firsts that trusted in the LN Mig-21 project with our money and best hopes and still waiting. But hey, there are lovely Viggen T-Shirts to buy.

 

Wait until February when you'll be able to pick specific awards on our store for a backer code.

Edited December 30, 2016 by Cobra847

[Schmidtfire]

The FOV change to 150 was one of the best updates for the MiG21bis. Other devs should take note. (in an ideal world, there would be several fov options in the special tabs for each module)

[Esac_mirmidon]

Thanks Cobra. Sometimes it´s hard to stay calm. I dont have any problem waiting for the backers rewards the time needed for but when i´ve seen the Viggen T-Shirts available it was to much for me.

 

Yes i know its only a minor thing but i think is fair to ask for Mig-21 rewards first, and then show us the new Viggen stuff after.

 

Anyway i will support LN in the future.

 

Thanks again.

[Brinkyeti]

The FOV I preferred the first. I do not understand why now we have a FOV 150, when I put the zoom wheel to zero going too far back in the cockpit.

 

You can modify the Y Axis saturation in order to limit the max FOV, like so:

[Art-J]

I just made myself a copy of 03_views.lua with "old" 105 degrees (or whatever it was) FoV and use it as one of JSGME mods for the MiG.

[Saigon]

Ok. Many thanks. For now i use the jsme. But i will try the axis limit setting.:thumbup:

[firmek]

You can modify the Y Axis saturation in order to limit the max FOV, like so:

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I just made myself a copy of 03_views.lua with "old" 105 degrees (or whatever it was) FoV and use it as one of JSGME mods for the MiG.

You can also use the snapviews.lua and server.lua with view configuration stored in DCS, Saved Games folder. The good side is that the view values can be set really precisely while as those files are not in the game folder there is no need to use any mods which updates are overwriting. The config can be even done in a way that there is no zoom out effect when entering the cockpit (this is a workaround rather than a fix though).

[Coxy_99]

Wait until February when you'll be able to pick specific awards on our store for a backer code.

 

Is it to late to be a backer or can you be one at any point?

[gavagai]

Other issue I've come across is that of having to cycle the weapon selector upon every weapons release - but not a major issue if you can assign a key on the hotas.

 

But that is how the aircraft actually functions, right? The pilot has to remove his hand from the throttle in order to rotate the switch.

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

Is it to late to be a backer or can you be one at any point?

 

I'd imagine it's too late since this is referring to back when beczl started the IndieGoGo in 2012 and the whole operation was known as Team Beczl.

[JDarksword]

But that is how the aircraft actually functions, right? The pilot has to remove his hand from the throttle in order to rotate the switch.

 

Yes. I vote to respect realism in this case.

[Tarres]

IRL, the weapons selector is a "priority selector" according to the loadout. It works with the "IR/neutral/SARH" selector.

Depending upon the missiles carried, this selectors stablish the priority and order of launching the missiles carrried.

[grunf]

But that is how the aircraft actually functions, right? The pilot has to remove his hand from the throttle in order to rotate the switch.

 

Yes. I vote to respect realism in this case.

In reality the pilot doesn't have to rotate the weapons selector each time the missile is fired. Unlike in DCS, the weapons selector only determines which missile is fired first, and the rest are fired in sequence, without further input from the pilot, unless he chooses to change the firing order, or if the missile fails to launch.

 

The same is true for IR/neutral/SARH switch, it only determines priority, e.g. if it's set to SARH positon, SARH missiles will be fired first, and then the IR. That's not how it works in DCS.

 

edit: sniped by Tarres :)

[JDarksword]

In reality the pilot doesn't have to rotate the weapons selector each time the missile is fired. Unlike in DCS, the weapons selector only determines which missile is fired first, and the rest are fired in sequence, without further input from the pilot, unless he chooses to change the firing order, or if the missile fails to launch.

 

The same is true for IR/neutral/SARH switch, it only determines priority, e.g. if it's set to SARH positon, SARH missiles will be fired first, and then the IR. That's not how it works in DCS.

 

edit: sniped by Tarres :)

Ah my bad, I misunderstood the priority system.

[Hummingbird]

A great module I would definitely recommend that anyone buy! However sadly atm the FM is seriously broken, but this doesn't seem to be deliberate, rather a mistake in coding somewhere.

[Fri13]

In reality the pilot doesn't have to rotate the weapons selector each time the missile is fired. Unlike in DCS, the weapons selector only determines which missile is fired first, and the rest are fired in sequence, without further input from the pilot, unless he chooses to change the firing order, or if the missile fails to launch.

 

The same is true for IR/neutral/SARH switch, it only determines priority, e.g. if it's set to SARH positon, SARH missiles will be fired first, and then the IR. That's not how it works in DCS.

 

edit: sniped by Tarres :)

 

Interesting as I thought that nothing gets fired if not right switch is on.... What made me wonder why so as it is so complex in combat situations to select corresponding rail and type after emptying one rail....

 

Thanks for info...

[schroedi]

Is the german manual still "work in progress" or is it already skipped ?