Introducing the VPC MongoosT-50

[dburne]

I replied yesterday - did you not receive it? :(

 

No I have not seen received a reply.

[Sabre_Ewan]

Received my T-50 base and stick last week, a bit over a month after ordering. Delivery itself only took a few days from despatch to arriving at my home in the UK.

Not managed to fly with it yet as I'm still working on my mounting solution but all the buttons are nice and crisp and the axes are all perfectly smooth, so I'm as happy as I can be so far. :)

 

Edit: Didn't have to pay any customs charges or anything like that. Price I paid at checkout was the last payment I had to make.

[ram0506]

The upgraded 15% pre-order discount is if you own any VPC MT-50 products, that is, the base, grip or whole flightstick. :thumbup:

 

Regarding your user account, we're still working on the easiest way, but if you're a VPC-FC member, it'll be sorted - don't worry!

 

Thanks, Cyph3r!:thumbup: Your answers and efforts to sort out all issues is much appreciated.

[dburne]

Just to report back, Virpil is sending me another flip up trigger to replace the one that broke on me. As has been my experience in the past, their support is excellent.

I am typically pretty gentle with these buttons/levers, will take extra caution going forward as well.

 

I look forward to getting it, have got so used to having and using it now that I really miss it.

[cepanamea]

Hi,

 

As a fresh owner of this joystick I am faced with the problem of tuning the base and I'm not sure I understand, maybe someone can explain. So stronger springs will mean that the stick will be harder to push. But those 2 screws you can turn from the outside also seem to do the same thing. Is it the same thing or not? Replacing the spring with a stronger one is the same as tightening the screws ?

[Flamin_Squirrel]

Hi,

 

As a fresh owner of this joystick I am faced with the problem of tuning the base and I'm not sure I understand, maybe someone can explain. So stronger springs will mean that the stick will be harder to push. But those 2 screws you can turn from the outside also seem to do the same thing. Is it the same thing or not? Replacing the spring with a stronger one is the same as tightening the screws ?

 

It is not the same thing. I shall try to explain. Changing the spring will change what's called the spring rate. Adjusting the screw will change the preloaded. The graph below shows this.

 

Top line is a weak spring with some preload, the bottom line is a strong spring with no preload.

 

Hope that helps.

 

Edit :// image not showing. Try this link. https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=preload+vs+spring+rate&client=ms-android-samsung&prmd=ivsn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjT29q_u7TaAhWkDMAKHTShClgQ_AUIESgB&biw=360&bih=560#imgrc=RrWlgHUtygRdHM:

Edited April 12, 2018 by Flamin_Squirrel

[Barefoot Bandit]

It is not the same thing. I shall try to explain. Changing the spring will change what's called the spring rate. Adjusting the screw will change the preloaded. The graph below shows this.

 

Top line is a weak spring with some preload, the bottom line is a strong spring with no preload.

 

Hope that helps.

 

Edit :// image not showing. Try this link. https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=preload+vs+spring+rate&client=ms-android-samsung&prmd=ivsn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjT29q_u7TaAhWkDMAKHTShClgQ_AUIESgB&biw=360&bih=560#imgrc=RrWlgHUtygRdHM:

 

Edit - there wasn’t a graph when I looked.

 

Z...

[dburne]

Hi,

 

As a fresh owner of this joystick I am faced with the problem of tuning the base and I'm not sure I understand, maybe someone can explain. So stronger springs will mean that the stick will be harder to push. But those 2 screws you can turn from the outside also seem to do the same thing. Is it the same thing or not? Replacing the spring with a stronger one is the same as tightening the screws ?

 

Think of it more like the springs are a larger ( more course) adjustment whereas the two top screws allow for more fine tuning, namely of the feel around center.

[Flamin_Squirrel]

Edit - there wasn’t a graph when I looked.

Z...

 

Thank you!

 

Think of it more like the springs are a larger ( more course) adjustment whereas the two top screws allow for more fine tuning, namely of the feel around center.

 

Not correct I'm afraid. See graph above.

[dburne]

Thank you!

 

 

 

Not correct I'm afraid. See graph above.

 

Well from my using them that is sure how it feels to me.

[cepanamea]

Thank you!

 

 

 

Not correct I'm afraid. See graph above.

 

I understand the same thing as @dburne from the graph, it's just like bicycle forks. Towards the end you need the same force either way, but in the beginning the spring could be completely decompressed (no preload) or compressed to some extent, which means it affects the feeling around the center.

Edited April 12, 2018 by cepanamea

[Flamin_Squirrel]

Well from my using them that is sure how it feels to me.

 

Don't get me wrong, you should absolutely set up your stick the way you prefer. I was just hoping some explanation of what's going on might be helpful.

 

I understand the same thing as @dburne from the graph, it's just like bicycle forks. Towards the end you need the same force either way, but in the beginning the spring could be completely decompressed (no preload) or compressed to some extent, which means it affects the feeling around the center.

 

Yeah like that.

 

Your cam choice will change things also.

[Cyph3r]

Meet the VPCockpit!

 

[kingpinda]

Hi,

 

As a fresh owner of this joystick I am faced with the problem of tuning the base and I'm not sure I understand, maybe someone can explain. So stronger springs will mean that the stick will be harder to push. But those 2 screws you can turn from the outside also seem to do the same thing. Is it the same thing or not? Replacing the spring with a stronger one is the same as tightening the screws ?

 

 

You've seen the graph. In even simpler terms. the strength of the spring determines the starting strength of the nearlyu uncompressed spring. Then you can fine tune the spring by hand and screwdriver.

 

If you have the light spring and you feel you need to tighten it all way up, then a medium or heavier spring might be better for you since overtightening the springs compresses the springs to the point where the stick cannot fully deflect anymore. So you will lose resolution in the stick. So don't overtighten but change to heavier spring and then tune it so you can use the full range of motion of the stick.

 

 

Ps: DAMN VIRPIL!!! that throttle quadrant looks awsome.. If ever my warthog thrustmaster throttle dies on me then this is the absolute replacement I would like to have!

 

Also if my kids get the same flying flu like I have I might buy this one for myself and let the kids use my old warthog. Although that will be a couple of years down the road at least :/

Edited April 12, 2018 by kingpinda

[Looney]

All we need now is a Helicopter Collective made by Virpil, can you give a status?

[Gman109]

^^ Looney, I hope they do that as well, a dedicated proper collective throttle that can be either used on desktop or mounted to their existing mounts, I'd buy it, instantly.

 

 

 

Received my 2nd T50 the on Monday. I didn't have time to test it that day, so I just did my spring swap based on the experience with the last one and waited until Wednesday. I had tried all 3 cams, and found the installed from factory one to be the best overall for flight sims, and the lightest spring is what I prefer as well, so easy peasy 5 minutes to swap the springs.

 

 

When I tested it I couldn't get the software to recognize the axis or calibrate it at all. I tried putting various sticks on it (I have several Warthog and 2 Cougar top ends that I tried to no avail). I tried the T50 stick on the WH bases, and it was working fine. 3 hours of head scratching later, I contacted tech support via email. Virpil answered my tech support ticket in about 2 hours, and advised me on a number of steps to troubleshoot before getting excited about returning it for service right out of the gate. First step was the problem, the plug needed to be pulled and reseated internally, the primary USB plug end on the board. It looked seated, but it wasn't, or just needed that "wiggle" that sometimes fixes stuff. Boom. Back in business, this one is even better than my first, extremely precise, and smooth in movement. Like glass in fact, and I haven't even put it in the mount yet, that's today's mission.

 

I'll post pics of it when I'm finished, and write a longer and more detailed review on my experience with Virpil so far.

 

Comparing this stick to my WH, Cougar, modified Cougar, CH, Saiteks, etc - the only thing close is my VKB Gunfighter, very similar obviously, but Virpil sent me a golden unit this time. The tests I've done with joytester graphs are laughably better than everything else by a country mile.

 

Truly worth every dollar. The only complaint I have isn't a complaint at all, but a wish list item. I want a cam that has no/little dead zone like the factory installed cam, yet less progressing or NO increasing tension as you move to the outer limits of the stick, more like the harder center cam included in the parts, but without the harder center, a center like the stock cam, yet arms/legs like the hard center cam. That'd be PERFECT for me, and many others I suspect as well. I'm going to construct my own perhaps and test that. Even still, the stock cam is like 95% perfect for me, but to reach 100% lessening the increasing tension as you move outwards would do it.

 

Considering Virpil is consolidating much of its work under one new, and very large new roof/building, I expect the already great company will continue to improve.

Edited April 13, 2018 by Gman109

[Cyph3r]

Hi Gman109,

 

Really glad to hear you're enjoying your new VPC MongoosT-50! We're looking forward to the pics and detailed review!

 

The only complaint I have isn't a complaint at all, but a wish list item. I want a cam that has no/little dead zone like the factory installed cam, yet less progressing or NO increasing tension as you move to the outer limits of the stick, more like the harder center cam included in the parts, but without the harder center, a center like the stock cam, yet arms/legs like the hard center cam. That'd be PERFECT for me, and many others I suspect as well. I'm going to construct my own perhaps and test that. Even still, the stock cam is like 95% perfect for me, but to reach 100% lessening the increasing tension as you move outwards would do it.

 

Well, you may be happy to hear that we have since in fact designed this cam profile as an accessory for the VPC MongoosT-50 due to popular demand!

 

Checkout the announcement here for more info:

https://virpil.com/en/blog/110-vpc-mongoost-50-new-cams-for-space-sims

 

https://virpil.by/en/shop/accessories/vpc-cams-cosmo-vpc

[Cyph3r]

► Opening of the VIRPIL Controls EU Webstore and Pre-Orders

 

The VIRPIL Controls team are pleased to announce the readiness of our new store for our EU customers!

 

https://virpil-controls.eu/

 

 

Purchasing of VPC products will now be much easier, with faster, cheaper and more reliable delivery via DPD. Orders will no longer be required to pass through customs, and instead will be delivered directly to your door. View more delivery information here: https://virpil-controls.eu/delivery-info

 

Payments will be processed by Braintree payments (a PayPal company). Debit and Credit card payments can be processed directly on our site for convenience. VIRPIL Controls will not see nor store any payment information and it is handled directly by Braintree. We will accept VISA, Mastercard, AMEX and Maestro payment cards, with PayPal activating later this week.

View more payment information here: https://virpil-controls.eu/payment-info

 

Starting from the 16th April, VIRPIL Controls will have 3 direct trading platforms:

• http://www.virpil.by - EurAsEC (Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Armenia)
  
• http://www.virpil-controls.eu - European Union
  
• http://www.virpil-controls.by - Rest of the World
  

 

http://www.virpil.by will initially continue to serve our customers worldwide, however from April 30th it will be changed to serving EurAsEC only.

 

In addition to the opening of the new EU webstore - on April 16, 2018 pre-orders for the long awaited VPC devices will open as scheduled:

• VPC MongoosT-50 Throttle
  
• VPC Constellation Delta Grip
  
• VPC WarBRD Base
  

 

These products can be pre-ordered with a discount of 10%. All existing VPC MongoosT-50 owners (grip, base or flightstick) will receive an additional 5% discount code for a total discount of 15%. Of course, as always, lucky members of the VPC FC will receive an additional 5% on top as well for a total potential discount of 20%!

 

All users will automatically receive the 10% pre-order discount. If you are an existing MT-50 owner, please send your order number and serial number to support@virpil.com to receive your additional 5% discount coupon. VPC FC discounts will be calculated automatically at the checkout.

 

VPCFC members will be required to sign up for a new account on the VIRPIL Controls EU webstore, and contact support@virpil.com to reassign the VPCFC status. Please ensure you use the same email address that you originally signed up to the VPCFC with.

 

If you experience any issues with the VIRPIL Controls EU webstore - please contact us ASAP support@virpil.com.

 

To celebrate the launch of our new stores and pre-orders, all VPC products will be 10% off for the next 7 days!

 

Finally - we would like to present more photos of the VPC MongoosT-50 Throttle, displaying the new knurled throttle lever grips!

 

 

Thank you for your continued support,

VIRPIL Controls Team

[Len62]

Is the pre-order discounted price for the throttle correct? $400.00 USD? I thought this was corrected before, or I could be wrong.

[Barefoot Bandit]

Nice!

On a side note, I place my order, then email for the MT50 owner 5% discount, right?

Z...

Edited April 16, 2018 by Barefoot Bandit

[lasvideo]

► Opening of the VIRPIL Controls EU Webstore and Pre-Orders

 

The VIRPIL Controls team are pleased to announce the readiness of our new store for our EU customers!

 

https://virpil-controls.eu/

 

 

Purchasing of VPC products will now be much easier, with faster, cheaper and more reliable delivery via DPD. Orders will no longer be required to pass through customs, and instead will be delivered directly to your door. View more delivery information here: https://virpil-controls.eu/delivery-info

 

Payments will be processed by Braintree payments (a PayPal company). Debit and Credit card payments can be processed directly on our site for convenience. VIRPIL Controls will not see nor store any payment information and it is handled directly by Braintree. We will accept VISA, Mastercard, AMEX and Maestro payment cards, with PayPal activating later this week.

View more payment information here: https://virpil-controls.eu/payment-info

 

Starting from the 16th April, VIRPIL Controls will have 3 direct trading platforms:

• http://www.virpil.by - EurAsEC (Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Armenia)
  
• http://www.virpil-controls.eu - European Union
  
• http://www.virpil-controls.by - Rest of the World
  

 

http://www.virpil.by will initially continue to serve our customers worldwide, however from April 30th it will be changed to serving EurAsEC only.

 

In addition to the opening of the new EU webstore - on April 16, 2018 pre-orders for the long awaited VPC devices will open as scheduled:

• VPC MongoosT-50 Throttle
  
• VPC Constellation Delta Grip
  
• VPC WarBRD Base
  

 

These products can be pre-ordered with a discount of 10%. All existing VPC MongoosT-50 owners (grip, base or flightstick) will receive an additional 5% discount code for a total discount of 15%. Of course, as always, lucky members of the VPC FC will receive an additional 5% on top as well for a total potential discount of 20%!

 

All users will automatically receive the 10% pre-order discount. If you are an existing MT-50 owner, please send your order number and serial number to support@virpil.com to receive your additional 5% discount coupon. VPC FC discounts will be calculated automatically at the checkout.

 

VPCFC members will be required to sign up for a new account on the VIRPIL Controls EU webstore, and contact support@virpil.com to reassign the VPCFC status. Please ensure you use the same email address that you originally signed up to the VPCFC with.

 

If you experience any issues with the VIRPIL Controls EU webstore - please contact us ASAP support@virpil.com.

 

To celebrate the launch of our new stores and pre-orders, all VPC products will be 10% off for the next 7 days!

 

Finally - we would like to present more photos of the VPC MongoosT-50 Throttle, displaying the new knurled throttle lever grips!

 

 

Thank you for your continued support,

VIRPIL Controls Team

 

Pre order something thats the first release and there are no reviews for yet? I think not ;) Ya gotta be a little nuts to make such a blind purchase.

[sze5003]

Is the pre-order discounted price for the throttle correct? $400.00 USD? I thought this was corrected before, or I could be wrong.

I see $343 according to the currency converter. Unless you are including the shipping.

[Barefoot Bandit]

Also, re throttle, if I want the mini stick version, I wait, right? Don’t order now? Only asking because the description say 4 way hat or mini stick.

 

Z...

Edited April 16, 2018 by Barefoot Bandit

[Len62]

I see $343 according to the currency converter. Unless you are including the shipping.

 

Put one in "my cart" and with the 10% discount $399.43, not including shipping.

[sze5003]

Put one in "my cart" and with the 10% discount $399.43, not including shipping.

I did the same thing and it came to $418 shipping included. I'm on the virpil-controls.by site not virpil.by if that has anything to do with it.

 

Not sure what the discussed price was supposed to be. But if I wanted one I'd want one with more hats and a mini stick for slew.