Introducing the VPC MongoosT-50

[arturojgt]

Hi to everyone. im trying to configure the t-50 mongoos with the same commands like a Thrustmaster warthog stick but now I realize that I need une more hat with push a button or am I wrong? TMS, CMS and DMS.

[sze5003]

Hi to everyone. im trying to configure the t-50 mongoos with the same commands like a Thrustmaster warthog stick but now I realize that I need une more hat with push a button or am I wrong? TMS, CMS and DMS.

You will just need to skip having the CMS switch and assign it somewhere else perhaps on your throttle. The t50 has the same amount of hats as the warthog. So you have the DMS and tms, trim, and your master mode select button is now a two position switch. So one position could be select master mode the other position could be release counter measures if you want.

[arturojgt]

Thank you, I will try that.

 

 

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[Tantalum7]

Received my T-50CM today

 

I have to say that I've been impressed with Virpil as a company and the T-50 and base as a flight controller. I was pleasantly surprised with how quickly it made the journey from Belarus to the western US, and even through I had to change my shipping address shortly before it was shipped, it arrived exactly where I asked it to be shipped.

 

The overall fit and finish of the stick and base were excellent outside and in. It was lighter than I expected it to be, but it doesn't feel flimsy or insubstantial, and looking at the construction inside the base, all the components are well machined, well designed and assembled by people who seem to want to make a product well.

 

The only design feature that didn't seem well thought out was the attachment of the cams in the gimbal. Kudos for the locking tab at the top of the cam, but as many people have noted before, the use of thread locking compound and soft steel screws with a Phillips head is not a good choice to hold the cam on. The attachment just above for the threaded collar where the stick is connected uses much higher quality flat head socket drive hex screws--4 of them. Why these type of screws were not also used for the very important cams is strange to me given that the cost could not be that much greater, and it would make the lives of people who like to evaluate different cam and spring arrangements much easier. I will replace these screws with hex drive or Torx/hexlobe versions the next time I open the base. It is a nice touch that they included extra cam screws with the alternate cams because at least one of those screws with strip 99% of the time the first time the cams are removed.

I haven't had time to test the performance of the stick out yet in DCS but I remain optimistic.

[MustangSally]

I have to say that I've been impressed with Virpil as a company and the T-50 and base as a flight controller. I was pleasantly surprised with how quickly it made the journey from Belarus to the western US, and even through I had to change my shipping address shortly before it was shipped, it arrived exactly where I asked it to be shipped.

 

The overall fit and finish of the stick and base were excellent outside and in. It was lighter than I expected it to be, but it doesn't feel flimsy or insubstantial, and looking at the construction inside the base, all the components are well machined, well designed and assembled by people who seem to want to make a product well.

 

The only design feature that didn't seem well thought out was the attachment of the cams in the gimbal. Kudos for the locking tab at the top of the cam, but as many people have noted before, the use of thread locking compound and soft steel screws with a Phillips head is not a good choice to hold the cam on. The attachment just above for the threaded collar where the stick is connected uses much higher quality flat head socket drive hex screws--4 of them. Why these type of screws were not also used for the very important cams is strange to me given that the cost could not be that much greater, and it would make the lives of people who like to evaluate different cam and spring arrangements much easier. I will replace these screws with hex drive or Torx/hexlobe versions the next time I open the base. It is a nice touch that they included extra cam screws with the alternate cams because at least one of those screws with strip 99% of the time the first time the cams are removed.

I haven't had time to test the performance of the stick out yet in DCS but I remain optimistic.

 

I love it...so much better then the WH!

[cepanamea]

I have to say that I've been impressed with Virpil as a company and the T-50 and base as a flight controller. I was pleasantly surprised with how quickly it made the journey from Belarus to the western US, and even through I had to change my shipping address shortly before it was shipped, it arrived exactly where I asked it to be shipped.

 

The overall fit and finish of the stick and base were excellent outside and in. It was lighter than I expected it to be, but it doesn't feel flimsy or insubstantial, and looking at the construction inside the base, all the components are well machined, well designed and assembled by people who seem to want to make a product well.

 

The only design feature that didn't seem well thought out was the attachment of the cams in the gimbal. Kudos for the locking tab at the top of the cam, but as many people have noted before, the use of thread locking compound and soft steel screws with a Phillips head is not a good choice to hold the cam on. The attachment just above for the threaded collar where the stick is connected uses much higher quality flat head socket drive hex screws--4 of them. Why these type of screws were not also used for the very important cams is strange to me given that the cost could not be that much greater, and it would make the lives of people who like to evaluate different cam and spring arrangements much easier. I will replace these screws with hex drive or Torx/hexlobe versions the next time I open the base. It is a nice touch that they included extra cam screws with the alternate cams because at least one of those screws with strip 99% of the time the first time the cams are removed.

I haven't had time to test the performance of the stick out yet in DCS but I remain optimistic.

 

+1 here

The philips screws + threadlock is a disaster. Of course I stripped my screws when I tried experimenting with the cams, and I have a feeling there are many people here who had the same experience.

I mean if it's the kind of hardware that was meant by design to be disassembled by the customer, it should have a relatively easy and idiotproof way to do so.

[crab]

What I find really interesting about it is that it's a day one problem complained about (seemingly) by the first owner and seconded by many after. The interesting part isn't that, it's that it's not fixed and the fix is nothing more than paying attention and using a different fastener at essentially no cost.

 

Lack of competition is never good.

[Len62]

It was a couple of months back when Virpil stated they had changed the thread locking compound to one with less grip. Still, I agree that maybe the screws need to be changed also. I have one of the early ones and have not had the courage to try and change the cams, at least not yet.

[MustangSally]

What I find really interesting about it is that it's a day one problem complained about (seemingly) by the first owner and seconded by many after. The interesting part isn't that, it's that it's not fixed and the fix is nothing more than paying attention and using a different fastener at essentially no cost.

 

Lack of competition is never good.

 

 

Mine are fine.

[capthaltli]

Quick question for the T50 Base, do you need any Virpil software or drivers, or is it just plug and play?

[dburne]

Quick question for the T50 Base, do you need any Virpil software or drivers, or is it just plug and play?

 

Pretty much plug and play. The software is a very lite version, mainly for being able to calibrate the stick properly so I would get it just for that. And updating firmware of course.

 

Do not under any condition try to calibrate the stick in Windows.

[dburne]

It was a couple of months back when Virpil stated they had changed the thread locking compound to one with less grip. Still, I agree that maybe the screws need to be changed also. I have one of the early ones and have not had the courage to try and change the cams, at least not yet.

 

This has been a big bone of contention with this great stick base. IMHO about the only real flaw in design. As some may recall, I ruined my first gimbal from Virpil trying to get a dang cam screw out. My second one, I refuse to even try. But I got it with the soft cams already installed and that was the feel I was looking for anyway. They did a fantastic job with the spring assembly design and ease of removing and replacing the springs.

 

Not sure what the answer might be, maybe hex head screws with locking washers, or even a different cam part design that accommodates a better method of installing and removing.

Cams should not be that difficult to replace on a stick as high quality as this.

 

And there are some cams folks are receiving (me included) that are not totally smooth and polished, giving a feel of roughness as the stick is moved throughout it's range of travel. Does not affect really the flying, but it certainly can be felt and should not be, should be smooth as can be.

They did send me replacement cams for my rough ones, but again I am not going to go in there and try to replace them because of all the trouble I had before with my original gimbal.

 

To be clear I love my Virpil setup and have a ton of hours now in with it and continue to recommend it, I just urge caution to anyone looking to change out cams in it. Be very cautious and careful.

Edited July 18, 2018 by dburne

[sze5003]

I'm worried I may run into issues when I get the warBRD. I know that I will have to use the stronger springs once I get it because I will be switching back and forth between t50 grip and warthog grip.

 

I just hope it's not difficult to change them out on my own. Knowing how long I've been waiting I'd hate to damage it in the process and be stuck. This would be my first stick that's this customizable as I've been flying with the warthog.

 

Also hoping there is documentation to go with the warBRD base. I've seen nothing on the website or their forums.

[dburne]

I'm worried I may run into issues when I get the warBRD. I know that I will have to use the stronger springs once I get it because I will be switching back and forth between t50 grip and warthog grip.

 

I just hope it's not difficult to change them out on my own. Knowing how long I've been waiting I'd hate to damage it in the process and be stuck. This would be my first stick that's this customizable as I've been flying with the warthog.

 

Also hoping there is documentation to go with the warBRD base. I've seen nothing on the website or their forums.

 

WarBRD is totally a different gimbal design, hopefully it is better in that department.

[Buckeye]

This has been a big bone of contention with this great stick base. IMHO about the only real flaw in design. As some may recall, I ruined my first gimbal from Virpil trying to get a dang cam screw out. My second one, I refuse to even try. But I got it with the soft cams already installed and that was the feel I was looking for anyway. They did a fantastic job with the spring assembly design and ease of removing and replacing the springs.

 

Not sure what the answer might be, maybe hex head screws with locking washers, or even a different cam part design that accommodates a better method of installing and removing.

Cams should not be that difficult to replace on a stick as high quality as this.

 

And there are some cams folks are receiving (me included) that are not totally smooth and polished, giving a feel of roughness as the stick is moved throughout it's range of travel. Does not affect really the flying, but it certainly can be felt and should not be, should be smooth as can be.

They did send me replacement cams for my rough ones, but again I am not going to go in there and try to replace them because of all the trouble I had before with my original gimbal.

 

To be clear I love my Virpil setup and have a ton of hours now in with it and continue to recommend it, I just urge caution to anyone looking to change out cams in it. Be very cautious and careful.

 

My order status changed to "Sent" yesterday, so I am assuming this means my T50 base is en route to me here in the States. What you've mentioned above are my two biggest worries:

 

1. That I will receive rough cams and need to request replacements
   
2. That I will want to try the other cams and I will need to risk screwing the entire base up due to the low quality screws used
   

I am hoping that I will be able to avoid any issues, and I hope that my unit was built using the new locking spray. I will keep an eye on this thread for anyone to be able to suggest what a suitable replacement screw would be for the stock ones so that I can ensure no issues in the future.

[dburne]

My order status changed to "Sent" yesterday, so I am assuming this means my T50 base is en route to me here in the States. What you've mentioned above are my two biggest worries:

 

1. That I will receive rough cams and need to request replacements
   
2. That I will want to try the other cams and I will need to risk screwing the entire base up due to the low quality screws used
   

I am hoping that I will be able to avoid any issues, and I hope that my unit was built using the new locking spray. I will keep an eye on this thread for anyone to be able to suggest what a suitable replacement screw would be for the stock ones so that I can ensure no issues in the future.

 

Hopefully you won't. While I can feel the roughness in my cams when just moving the stick around and not flying, once I am flying I really do not even notice it. Perhaps they have resolved even sending out cams with that roughness which would be great.

 

If you do decide to try a different cam, just be careful not to strip the screw as it strips easily from my experience. I think I remember them saying they went with stronger screws but I really do not know for sure.

I believe Cyph3r mentioned once that heating the screw first with small soldering iron may help, if you do just be very careful with what you heat.

 

Try not to be too concerned, hopefully you will have absolutely no issue and trust me the stick is truly great.

[arturojgt]

Introducing the VPC MongoosT-50

 

Hi to everyone.

I was reading this thread and I have to say this: I got from Virpil my T50 with the base and I don’t need to change the cams, the joystick works perfectly with the factory installed cams, they are great simulating the force feedback. This is a matter of personal preference (helicopter sim), I know that but why are you worring about the cams or screw without trying the T-50?

 

The same happened to me with a Dewalt circular saw, all the people complain about why this saw came with one and not two clamp. I bought this circular saw with an extra clamps. I never need the feel to use the two clamps, I use only one, so I made an enema for me with the extra clamp.

 

It’s true all about the Phillips screw, it would be better to use Allen or torx screws if the idea was “if the user need to change the parts let’s made this process “fool proof”.

 

So many factor beside the “not clever idea to use Phillips screws” can ruin this process like a “I don’t know what I’m doing DIY guy”, wrong size screw driver, etc.

 

Give it a try first then you can worry.

 

 

 

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Edited July 18, 2018 by arturojgt

[GregP]

Perfect, I’ll be using that method to mount mine on my WSP as well until I get the tub for my cockpit built. Very simple, I love it!

 

 

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Agreed, me too! Very timely as I just got notice yesterday that my T-50 base has shipped.

[Tantalum7]

You can be afraid to damage your gimbal assembly, but really what is the worst that could happen? If you strip the head of the screw, you leave that cam in place and just use it as is or you find someone that you trust who knows how to remove a stuck fastener.

 

As a precautionary measure, you can heat the screw head with a soldering iron to soften up the thread locking compound. The electronics are wired neatly and can be easily avoided so that you never overheat anything important (but you may risk voiding your warranty if you take my advice). If you choose this route do it before you strip the head of the screw.

 

One last data point for those keeping track. The cams I received were all extremely smooth on the surface that interacts with the bearing. Precision grinding and/or hand sanding and polishing could get them smoother, but you would probably never notice a real difference in performance.

[Buckeye]

Remind me, which cams come stock again?

 

 

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[NahkaSukka]

Remind me, which cams come stock again?

 

 

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Soft center.

[jjohnson241]

Hi,

Hopefully someone here can educate me.

I pre-ordered a Warbird Base and VPC confirmed the order via email on 7-17-18. I read from VPC that these bases should become available and begin shipping during the week of 7-16-18. I was curious and tried to check the status of my order today and noticed that the availability of the Warbird Base is listed as "Out of Stock" on VPC-Controls.

 

I was wondering if anyone here has seen a shipment notice for the

Warbird of may have any info on the status of orders at this poiont.

Thanks

[sze5003]

Hi,

Hopefully someone here can educate me.

I pre-ordered a Warbird Base and VPC confirmed the order via email on 7-17-18. I read from VPC that these bases should become available and begin shipping during the week of 7-16-18. I was curious and tried to check the status of my order today and noticed that the availability of the Warbird Base is listed as "Out of Stock" on VPC-Controls.

 

I was wondering if anyone here has seen a shipment notice for the

Warbird of may have any info on the status of orders at this poiont.

Thanks

I ordered on April 20th and my order status just says confirmed. No news yet of when shipments will occur although my buddy ordered the t50 stick with original base on 6-27 and he received it yesterday. But he also had them cancel the order and confirmed it was cancelled yet it still showed up at his door.

 

He ended up sending it back because he found 2 T-50 sticks on eBay, left and right handed ones and ordered those.

[mdee]

Hi,

Hopefully someone here can educate me.

I pre-ordered a Warbird Base and VPC confirmed the order via email on 7-17-18. I read from VPC that these bases should become available and begin shipping during the week of 7-16-18. I was curious and tried to check the status of my order today and noticed that the availability of the Warbird Base is listed as "Out of Stock" on VPC-Controls.

 

I was wondering if anyone here has seen a shipment notice for the

Warbird of may have any info on the status of orders at this poiont.

Thanks

The did not ship any pre-orders. They still have pre-orders from mid-April to fulfill. Nobody has any concrete information regarding shipping dates of pre-orders.

Edited July 19, 2018 by mdee

[LeCuvier]

VPC Support Experience

 

I had screwed up my T-50 joystick when I tried to re-calibrate it. It was not usable any more. Reason: I did not follow the documentation step by step. The software is not intuitive, so you really have to follow the documentation.

I wrote to the VPC support and they fixed the problem on-line using TeamViewer.

Once we were connected, the "surgery" took about 10 minutes.

If you ever need to use VPC support it's a good idea to install the (free) TeamViewr client software beforehand.