Influx of immature kids?

[DieHard]

+1

 

As to the copters

 

Stay low, don't fly predictable, pre-planned routes.

 

Ideally get somebody to fly cover for you.

[Yurgon]

This sounds less your fault and instead smacks of bad mission design. We have enough varied aircraft in DCS mission designers could easily start making missions with distinct assets on both sides, or at least reducing the number of shared assets...

 

Like I said, it was a training server, there were no red slots at all, and it makes sense to make all types available on a training server.

 

I thought for sure the Su-25T must have been AI that was spawned by some of our fast jocks who lost track of their target -- until I looked at the logs. ;)

 

Edit:

 

;3028773']yeah I don't about that sir... I certainly ain't no sitting duck ;)

 

Impressive. But that Mi-8 with 7 A/C kills looks kinda even more impressive. Unless those were his deaths that were counted as kills. :D

[NineLine]

I don't think some of them are kidz but who knows and it's just not bad words but rather something else. If they connect and fly around without these verbal sentences it's perfectly alright.

 

Some of the most immature kids I have met are in their 30's and 40's :D

[Nero.ger]

i guess:

"Cold aircrafts + no autostart + no FC3 aircrafts"

might solve some of the problems ;)

 

the attention span of people who just want to anoye others might be less than the amount of time you need to manual start a "High fidelity FM-Plane"

[Sweep]

i guess:

"Cold aircrafts + no autostart + no FC3 aircrafts"

might solve some of the problems ;)

 

the attention span of people who just want to anoye others might be less than the amount of time you need to manual start a "High fidelity FM-Plane"

 

You know, there are other ways to solve such an 'FC3 user attention span problem'*. Flight time or refuel time, take your pick. I say flight time because that gives people time to get configured AND solves the spam problem.

 

*IMO that's a problem with all modules and doesn't stem from systems fidelity at all.

[Nero.ger]

just to clarify:

i mentioned FC3 planes specificly because they only require 1 button to start and not to suggest that people who like su27/f15 etc are sharing specific properties

[IonicRipper]

just to clarify:

i mentioned FC3 planes specificly because they only require 1 button to start and not to suggest that people who like su27/f15 etc are sharing specific properties

Actually ive said for years that fc3 planes dont have their place with the full simulated planes. They should be on servers of their own, not mixed in with the fully simmed aircraft.

[fixen]

Actually ive said for years that fc3 planes dont have their place with the full simulated planes. They should be on servers of their own, not mixed in with the fully simmed aircraft.

 

I don't get why. People who dominate in fc3 aircraft will dominate in a mirage 2000 aswell. People always seem to think that fc3 aircraft are easy mode or something, but that is nowhere near the truth. I usually fly the mirage 2000 now and all I learnt in the f-15c I could use in the mirage. Yes, the f-15 requires a few less switches to startup, but combat controls are actually very similar (I have even more buttons mapped on my stick for the f-15 then the mirage). Those few extra button clicks mean absolutely nothing as long as the flight model is good, which it is for su-27/f-15c.

[IonicRipper]

Not a question of MP scoring, I just dont believe they should be in the same servers. I find it unfair that someone that had to go through a 30 min start, setup their weapon systems, configure their countermeasures etc get engaged by a player that just pressed a key and went airborn in 30 seconds looking for targets to shoot on the radar without even having to worry if they forgot to turn something on or whatnot. I think it would've been best if they kept DCS and FC3 seperated. But of course thats just my opinion, you dont have to agree with it.

[Frostie]

I'm sure if it takes someone 30mins to start a DCS aircraft, getting shot down should be the least of their worries. :)

[fixen]

Blue flag has refueling on the f-15 which takes forever. Other servers can do the same.

[Pronin]

;3028773']yeah I don't about that sir... I certainly ain't no sitting duck ;)

 

 

Watch me wreck Fighter Jets in a Helicopter here -

 

 

Shamelessly plugging your video in a thread that doesn't have anything to do with what you've posted?

 

Is this what the OP was talking about?

[104th_Maverick]

Shamelessly plugging your video in a thread that doesn't have anything to do with what you've posted?

 

You need to learn to read posts... I was replying to this comment

 

Public servers are almost a no go for chopper pilots as we are sitting ducks to any fixed wings, hence a preferred target for those kids who wants to boast about their high scores.

 

I pointed out that Public servers are not a 'no go' area's for chopper pilots, then posted some evidence to confirm what I said... there is nothing shameless about this, its not as if I just randomly posted my video without any context... that would have been shameless. I replied to a comment already posted by someone else, I didn't just waltz in and say 'hey everyone watch my video!'

 

Why you felt the need to have a go at me for this is beyond me.

 

 

People always seem to think that fc3 aircraft are easy mode or something, but that is nowhere near the truth.

 

Agreed!

 

In my experience the "FC3 is easy crowd" fail miserably when flying against experienced FC3 pilots ... Yes it might be easy for them to shoot down their friends in a private server or new clients to the sim. But put them up in a PvP competition or in a busy server against lots of experienced FC3 pilots and they fail.... terribly!

More people need to put their money where there mouth is ... if FC3 is so easy... get in a FC3 jet and start dominating people online and show everyone you can walk the walk, rather than just bad mouthing the pilots that actually do dominate in these aircraft.

 

Over the years I've seen lots of crap talked about how 'easy' FC3 is by certain people, these same people choose never to fly online using the same callsign / nickname they use to post on this forum, simply because they know that now they have shot their mouth off they need to actually go out there and deliver... which they can't, so they fly using an alias to save the humiliation of getting whacked by someone they just argued with about FC3 being easy.

Edited January 28, 2017 by [Maverick]

[OperatorJack]

;3030052']

 

Over the years I've seen lots of crap talked about how 'easy' FC3 is by certain people, these same people choose never to fly online using the same callsign / nickname they use to post on this forum, simply because they know that now they have shot their mouth off they need to actually go out there and deliver... which they can't, so they fly using an alias to save the humiliation of getting whacked by someone they just argued with about FC3 being easy.

 

I not only think this section of the post in particular is ridiculous but also highlights the terrible attitude some sim players have.

 

FC3 is just as easy as the mirage to fight in but the non combat systems operation is a tad more complex

[IonicRipper]

Again, my point had absolutely nothing to do with scoring. There could be servers filled with people flying the Mirage and having the same scores as with an F-15 and that would be fine.

 

The point is that you have a bunch of fully simulated aircraft in the game and then theres a couple of them that has no system simulation and simplified combat simulation in the mix. It makes no sense to me. The point of the simulator is to SIMULATE flying a real jet with all the systems to work in a combat environment.

 

Just try to imagine if DCS didnt exist before today and they released it today with all the modules as is including the FC3 planes. They'd have all these planes that require studying the manual, practicing with it and putting a lot of hours in in order to be proficient with... Oh and theres a few of them that just require a few key presses and your airborn, ready to shoot at anything flying. How do you think people would react about that?

 

FC3 is great, I like to fly them from time to time, its a bit like IL2 Sturmovik, that game also doesnt have much systems simulated and no clickable cockpit and I enjoy that game also. But Like IL2, FC3 should've stayed its own game. Heck they even could've added more FC3 type planes, that would be really nice and I would definitely play both games.

 

Anyways I've spent to much time arguing my point over the years. Just my opinion, take it or leave it.

[fixen]

The problem when you take FC3 out of the mix is that the servers will lose a huge part of the playerbase. We can't afford to fragment DCS multiplayer even more.

[plexi]

yep its a pain!

 

I have to agree. What i have noticed of late in MP is this need by some people to constantly buzz other people on the ground at start up or taxiing. I don't understand what they are trying to get across to people by doing this? Do they think that people are going to think "ooh that's really good they are so clever" I guess they must do. Maybe they think that they are being impressive? I was on a server couple of days ago and i must admit i spent most of the time trying to get my Spit off the ground in one piece so i was really impressed by the guy in the Mustang that used it as a battering ram by deliberately crashing into me in the air as well as on the ground. Just what goes through their mind? What was the thought process, their mind set?

Cant say its something I've really done, but then I'm just old fashioned ...Young Guns eh?

[OperatorJack]

I have to agree. What i have noticed of late in MP is this need by some people to constantly buzz other people on the ground at start up or taxiing. I don't understand what they are trying to get across to people by doing this? Do they think that people are going to think "ooh that's really good they are so clever" I guess they must do. Maybe they think that they are being impressive? I was on a server couple of days ago and i must admit i spent most of the time trying to get my Spit off the ground in one piece so i was really impressed by the guy in the Mustang that used it as a battering ram by deliberately crashing into me in the air as well as on the ground. Just what goes through their mind? What was the thought process, their mind set?

Cant say its something I've really done, but then I'm just old fashioned ...Young Guns eh?

 

I buzz airfields when I'm the first of my friends in the air on a public server, I'll avoid the runway when people are trying to take off and landing however. It's not that I'm trying to impress anyone, I just get bored and want to see how far I can push my luck with the airframe

[Frostie]

The point is that you have a bunch of fully simulated aircraft in the game and then theres a couple of them that has no system simulation and simplified combat simulation in the mix. It makes no sense to me. The point of the simulator is to SIMULATE flying a real jet with all the systems to work in a combat environment.

If you're going to make such a stance then you need to get facts right.

You're discussing PvP as in fighter vs fighter, the combat side of the fighters in FC3 are not simplified at all, the operation of the radar system in the F-15 has the same workload and sequence of buttons as the Mirage. It takes plenty of reading and practice to apply everything currently, you make it sound like you can just jump in and go without any prior knowledge. These aircraft have been researched heavily by the devs and the relevant combat systems made as close to the real thing as currently possible with FC.

 

To touch on your start up procedures, there is a cheat switch that starts full fidelity aircraft up with one press. Besides using that you can still get the Mirage airbourne in a couple of minutes. You state that you can forget to turn something on, well surely if this is the case you're not ready for combat. The fact it takes the brain power of a 10 year old to remember the start up procedures points to something that should be irrelevant to competent pilots. Just to be clear, start up procedures are not a skill to learn and is probably the easiest thing for a DCS full fidelity pilot to master.

 

This whole notion that because a module is full fidelity the avionics, FM, weapons systems etc. are suddenly absolute carbon copies of the real thing and everything else is nowhere near is a bit naive.

Full fidelity equals no kids is unfounded.

[IonicRipper]

^ Point taken but I will not discuss this any further. My point was made you can chose to disagree with it.

This thread has derailed far enough I think.

[Coxy_99]

If you think FC3 is easy honestly its a nightmare given what the 51st can can do with a 27, Also with fully clickable module you still bind most keys crucial for combat in DCS, Same as you would any FC3 aircraft you bind controls to the hotas, The only difference is the SU-33 and Mig-29 flight model. To OP you will find this in most games anyway be it DCS or anything else you play.

Edited January 28, 2017 by Coxy_99

[*Rage*]

;3030052']In my experience the "FC3 is easy crowd" fail miserably when flying against experienced FC3 pilots ... Yes it might be easy for them to shoot down their friends in a private server or new clients to the sim. But put them up in a PvP competition or in a busy server against lots of experienced FC3 pilots and they fail.... terribly!

More people need to put their money where there mouth is ... if FC3 is so easy... get in a FC3 jet and start dominating people online and show everyone you can walk the walk, rather than just bad mouthing the pilots that actually do dominate in these aircraft.

 

Over the years I've seen lots of crap talked about how 'easy' FC3 is by certain people, these same people choose never to fly online using the same callsign / nickname they use to post on this forum, simply because they know that now they have shot their mouth off they need to actually go out there and deliver... which they can't, so they fly using an alias to save the humiliation of getting whacked by someone they just argued with about FC3 being easy.

 

Too fudging right!

 

Big forum egos talking a big game - zero online presence after their first MP whooping. I really think your Forum/DCS handle should be linked to the MP one (ala Star citizen?). That way repeat offenders/greifers/cheaters/trolls etc can be officially sanctioned and keyboard warriors wont be writing cheques their body cant cash;)

 

As to FC3 vs ASM aircraft - with regards to combat employment - what Mav and Frostie said.

Edited January 28, 2017 by ///Rage

[Whisper]

I don't know why all FC3 defenders here suddenly get up in arms to prove they are god skilled. IonicRipper never said otherwise. You guys are awesome, bravo! We bow to your combat prowess. Why do you try to get that point accross so forcefully? You take things wayyyyy too personal

[Stacker]

Most public MP servers will always eventually gravitate to the lowest common denominator which usually means team death match style antics. By throwing together players of different skills, motivations and maturity it's rare you'll get everyone on the same page at the same time working in a coordinated manner.

 

Joining a squad (or just getting together with a group of like minded individuals) on a private server is without a doubt the best way to go and will always be more rewarding.

 

Some of the most epic MP experiences I've ever had were with a small squad on our own private servers where we'd train, plan and execute missions (all against AI opponents / targets). So to the OP, I'd say try out a few squads and find one that meets your needs.

[WAT]

;3030052']You need to learn to read posts... I was replying to this comment

 

 

In my experience the "FC3 is easy crowd" fail miserably when flying against experienced FC3 pilots ... Yes it might be easy for them to shoot down their friends in a private server or new clients to the sim. But put them up in a PvP competition or in a busy server against lots of experienced FC3 pilots and they fail.... terribly!

More people need to put their money where there mouth is ... if FC3 is so easy... get in a FC3 jet and start dominating people online and show everyone you can walk the walk, rather than just bad mouthing the pilots that actually do dominate in these aircraft.

 

Over the years I've seen lots of crap talked about how 'easy' FC3 is by certain people, these same people choose never to fly online using the same callsign / nickname they use to post on this forum, simply because they know that now they have shot their mouth off they need to actually go out there and deliver... which they can't, so they fly using an alias to save the humiliation of getting whacked by someone they just argued with about FC3 being easy.

 

Are you serious?:lol: This is Poe's law : The post. This is like my wife's son getting upset because nobody takes his Call of Duty K/D seriously. Then when some kid challenges him he throws his tendies at the TV and tells the other guy to 1v1 on dust.... whatever that is....:pilotfly: