My Dream - DCS Vietnam

[The_Pharoah]

Yeah I know I've posted it before however imagine this.....you fire up DCS, and jump on a MP server running DCS Vietnam which includes:

1. Map of South and North Vietnam including Thailand/Laos and the South China sea

2. You get to choose to fly for either the USAF (OV-10, OV-1, F100, F105, F4, F111, A1, CH53), USMC (A6, F4, A4) or USN (F4, A7, A4, A6...all off a Carrier in the gulf) or US Army (UH-1)

3. Flights include SEAD/Wild Weasel (F105), CAP (F4, A7), Attack (F100, F105, F4, F111, A6, A4, A1) or SAR (A1, CH53)

4. OR you could choose to fly for the VNAF (Mig 17, Mig 19, Mig 21);

5. OR you could choose to utilise Combined Arms and man SAM sites

 

Hanoi had more AAA guns around it than any german city during WW2.

 

Now, imagine the kind of missions, scenarios, battles you could have. All using the right equipment, in the right time period, and on the right map (no F15Cs with AMRAAM 120s or BF109s).

 

@ED, this is how you should design it. Pick a time period and develop everything to do with that time period. Give us a fully developed scenario.

[ObiWanVA10]

Ops BOLO comes to mind....mmmmm.

[WinterH]

Would be cool.

 

But we have zero Vietnam era aircraft at this point. And there aren't many in development either.

 

MiG-21 is a Bis, beyond the 'Nam Fishbed types, F-5E is also similarly post Vietnam. Huey is a royghly 80s version.

 

Razbam will be doing A-6 and A-7, but I think they will also be later versions.

 

There may eventually be a MiG-19 from them though, and it will probably fit Vietnam.

 

If someone eventually makes an F-4, I personally would prefer it to be a late F-4E rather than a Vietnam appropriate one.

 

Edit: Also on the ground side, we currently don't have the most important thing: the SA-2

Edited February 6, 2017 by WinterH

[martinistripes]

I like your dream. Vietnam era really was the sweet spot for military aviation. Not too dated and done-to-death WWII, not too modern that everything is done with electronics at BVR.

[MickeEinSweden]

That's my ultimate dream theater too. Hope one day. I vey much liked YankeeAirPirates addon to Strikefighters a lot of years ago. With historically correct scripted missions. It was immersive. Think to do the same in DCS, goosebumps ;)

[CHDT]

I hope too that dev teams will understand there is more money to grap with such a project (Vietnam map and Vietnam era aircrafts) than with another trainer project or stuff not connected to a real world past, present or future scenario. Most of the aircrafts listed above would be for me instant buys at any price.

[CHDT]

"...no F15Cs with AMRAAM 120s..."

 

Short remark (don't want to hijack your topic), but I would dream of a very early F-15A, the most beautiful ones with the blue grey camo, the black old style cockpit and only the Sparrows !

[ebabil]

i think that when the 3rd party map developers start to take part of this sim, we will see lots of great maps. but we have no info about any of the terrain developers like orbx have been negotiating with ed yet.

[CHDT]

ebabil, have you a list of potential 3rd party map developers ?

[rogonaut]

would luv that scenario to happen too, who doesnt:D its just awesome!

[FragBum]

Yes good reason for a Huey Cobra. :thumbup:

[OnlyforDCS]

Considering how long it's taking ED to develop a WWII scenario (the AI Vehicles, map, airfields and scenario) a DCS Vietnam scenario is very wishful thinking at the moment.

 

This is not a knock against ED, a proper scenario only makes sense if there are flyable aircraft that can populate it, and that takes time. A LOT of time.

 

We currently have the Mig21 BIS which I believe came too late to appear in the Vietnam war. We would need at least a couple of aircraft variants on both sides before a period correct map with correct AI vehicles would make any sense to be put into production.

 

Another thing to consider: A huge overhaul would be required with regards to interception AI, Im specifically talking about Ground Controlled Interception. Without proper GCI, the Vietnamese side wouldn't make any sense.

[The_Pharoah]

Good to see I'm not the only one! :P

 

I love reading autobiographies esp from pilots who served in Vietnam. DCS is the perfect platform for this era. The Vietnam air war was modern but not BVR >100nm shoot downs.

 

Imagine....we have a target set say near Hanoi. Taskings would be:

 

1. F-4 MIGCAP

2. F-105s Wild Weasel (SEAD) armed with Shrikes and CBUs

3. F-105s Attack armed with 500lb'ers

4. A6's coming in from the sea

5. Mig 17s/19s taking off to defend

6. SA2s defending the target or along the route.

 

But yes, agree - ED needs to focus on completing a proper scenario and getting 3rd party devs to do the same. Many hands make light work right?

[cichlidfan]

But yes, agree - ED needs to focus on completing a proper scenario and getting 3rd party devs to do the same. Many hands make light work right?

 

Only when they are working on the same project.

[Flagrum]

My estimation for this scenario: 4-5 teams with 4-5 devs each and 5-10 years of development time.

 

Man, 2027 gotta be awesome! ;P

[The_Pharoah]

lol yeah thats the sad part about this - the dev time is so friggin long. As the real 'keeper', ED could mandate to all current (and future) 3rd party devs that 'we will only focus on say DCS Vietnam' - then they'd have to comply. Hell, even an OV-1 or OV-10 to provide FAC would be awesome.

 

However, if not Vietnam, what other scenarios?

 

1. WW2 (already being worked on but just Normandy)

2. 6 day war (Israel v Arab states)

3. Cold War scenario (say early/mid 80s)

4. Gulf War I and II (we already have some of these a/c)

Edited February 7, 2017 by The_Pharoah

[WinterH]

Oh I hope this "we mandate everyone to work on X" jazz will never happen :)

 

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[The_Pharoah]

Why not? I think we need a bit of 'steering' from ED. Whats the point of allowing 3rd party devs to create stuff willy nilly? eg. some trainers, a 1950s era a/c, etc etc. The problem with DCS right now is that its so friggin fragmented - you have a/c from WW2, Korea, 1970s, 1980s, 1990s and all on two maps (Georgia, NTTR). DCS is a combat sim....would you have P51s and F86s going up against SA11s?

[WinterH]

What's a problem for you, is the whole point of DCS for some. I like my aircraft from all eras and theaters, thank you very much :).

[fatboy]

It would be awesome sauce if this theatre could be done.Also an OV10 Bronco my god i would drool at the thought.Also a C130 .This list could go on and on.

 

Nice to dream though :)

[frodrigues2016]

Vietnam

 

Hi.....i think your idea is good and could be applied to single player and multiplayer....develop more fantastic scenerios for playing DCS and enjoy playing should be a goal.:pilotfly::)

[WHOGX5]

It would be awesome sauce if this theatre could be done.Also an OV10 Bronco my god i would drool at the thought.Also a C130 .This list could go on and on.

 

Nice to dream though :)

 

Yes! I'd do anything for a Vietnam theatre. The only reason I still fly Strike Fighters 2 is because there is no real alternative if you want to fly combat missions in Vietnam. Flying FAC in the Bronco would be a dream come true! Dodging enemy fire while searching for convoys down the Ho Chi Minh trail. Gawd! :D

[MickeEinSweden]

Yes indeed, Vietnam theater has so many possibilities for fun, interesting flying. And historical recreation of missions.. I wish, some day

[Gault05]

A Vietnam map would be a good addition. We can play CCR's "Fortunate Son" in Hueys dropping troops off to raise morale.:smilewink:

[Mig Fulcrum]

And don't forget the F-104