Vincent90 Posted March 27, 2017 Posted March 27, 2017 Overstratos, you probably mistaken with SRO-1 ( early IFF system ). Something like SPO-1 never existed. Soviet RWR chronology: 1. SPO-2 "Siren-2", 2. SPO-3 "Siren-3", 3. SPO-10 "Siren-3M", 4. SPO-15 "Bierioza". I don't wanna say that you have no right, but I never saw a foto of MiG-19P/PM with SPO-2 antenna. MiG-19S vertical stabilizer with antenna: https://images84.fotosik.pl/462/3943e8d978c0a16f.jpg MiG-19P without antenna: https://images83.fotosik.pl/463/433911eeec966569.jpg This photo shows stabilizer from late aircraft, modernized with R-3S missiles. Opened up the Yefim Gordon to find out where the confusion stems from. It seems all S planes had the SRZO-1 IFF, with the SRO only for the P planes. The 19-P's up until c/n 62210625 had the SRO-1 IFF, and from c/n 62210626 they swapped it for the SRO-2. The PM lacked Sirena-2 SPO until it got added in late-production PM's. The book doesn't mention production P's with SPO, only that they prototyped it on P and decided that SPO should be installed for day-fighters [variant S] only. But then again, this is Yefim Gordon talking. ;) I hope his upcoming (updated) book is a bit more exact Avionics' wise.
foxbat155 Posted March 27, 2017 Posted March 27, 2017 Opened up the Yefim Gordon to find out where the confusion stems from. It seems all S planes had the SRZO-1 IFF, with the SRO only for the P planes. The 19-P's up until c/n 62210625 had the SRO-1 IFF, and from c/n 62210626 they swapped it for the SRO-2. The PM lacked Sirena-2 SPO until it got added in late-production PM's. The book doesn't mention production P's with SPO, only that they prototyped it on P and decided that SPO should be installed for day-fighters [variant S] only. But then again, this is Yefim Gordon talking. ;) I hope his upcoming (updated) book is a bit more exact Avionics' wise. Well, I don't wanna be a smartass, but Gordon mistaken many times in his books. Late MiG-19S had SRO-2 not SRZO-2, this last can be used only by aircraft with fire control radars. Why?. SPO-2 is IFF with only "answer" mode, answer for interrogation signal. SRZO-2 have additional mode "question" and this signal can be transmitted only by radar. So for full IFF capability ( "question" and "answer" ) aircraft must be equip with fire control radar. That why eg. radar-less MiG-21 (F, F-13, U/US/UM ) have SRO-2, variants with radar (PF,PFS,PFM,R,S,SM,SMT,M,MF, Bis ) SRZO-2. But anyway this have nothing to do with MiG-19P/PM because RP-5 radar didn't had interrogation channel. MiG-19P manual says cleary: SRO-2, and this is not problem at all because this aircraft fights always in visual range. Very early aircrafts had SRO-1, that's true, but after 1957/1958 they get SRO-2.
foxbat155 Posted March 27, 2017 Posted March 27, 2017 Few more words about SPO-2 and MiG-19P/PM. In internet you can find photos wich shows something like here: Monument with MiG-19P and on the vertical stabilizer something what looks like SPO-2 antenna, ....but that's not a SPO:music_whistling:. MiG's-19P/PM were first Soviet supersonic interceptors and Soviets were looking for ways to improve theys intercepts capabilites. Part of aircrafts had first Soviet GCI system- "Gorizont" ( antenna simmilar to ARK antenna close cockpit canopy ), other aicrafts had "Globus-2" or "Globus-2M" equipment. That "Globus" was kind of transponder for cooperation with ground PVO radars. "Globus-2M" antenna was very simmilar to SPO-2 antenna, just she was bit smaller and had slighty different shape. Page from manual: Only MiG-19P prototypes had SPO system because those aircrafts were rebuilt from oridinary MiG-19S.
OverStratos Posted March 27, 2017 Author Posted March 27, 2017 SPO-1 was a typo writing fast. You´re right foxbat, it seems that no P variant got an RWR, only S and late PMs, in wich was installed under the navigation light in a smaller antenna. But, if the system is simple to incorporate in real life I don´t see why a P can´t have it. You would be suprised as to how many modifications and incorporations aircraft receive in the field. I will think what to do.
OverStratos Posted March 27, 2017 Author Posted March 27, 2017 Monument with MiG-19P and on the vertical stabilizer something what looks like SPO-2 antenna, ....but that's not a SPO Also, that´s a MiG-19PG
foxbat155 Posted March 27, 2017 Posted March 27, 2017 But, if the system is simple to incorporate in real life I don´t see why a P can´t have it. You would be suprised as to how many modifications and incorporations aircraft receive in the field. I will think what to do. As a additional option, why not. Also, that´s a MiG-19PG Yes sir, that correct name for this variant.
RAZBAM_ELMO Posted March 28, 2017 Posted March 28, 2017 SPO-1 was a typo writing fast. You´re right foxbat, it seems that no P variant got an RWR, only S and late PMs, in wich was installed under the navigation light in a smaller antenna. But, if the system is simple to incorporate in real life I don´t see why a P can´t have it. You would be suprised as to how many modifications and incorporations aircraft receive in the field. I will think what to do. Makes sense as we have some aircraft with systems not in "most" production versions. It adds that extra flare to it I think. Saddens me that we don't have the growler spo in our 15bis. Hopefully this makes it into the 19P Sent from my SM-G930W8 using Tapatalk Know and use all the capabilities in your airplane. If you don't, sooner or later, some guy who does use them all will kick your ass. — Dave 'Preacher' Pace, USN.
Apache600 Posted March 28, 2017 Posted March 28, 2017 What's that on the hardpoint? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] The Museum Relic Campaign: --> http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=164322 Community Missions (SP & MP) --> https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=205546
Akatsuki Posted March 28, 2017 Posted March 28, 2017 Rocket pod? I must say that the MiG-19 is my most anticipated aircraft in DCS!
Vincent90 Posted March 28, 2017 Posted March 28, 2017 Makes sense as we have some aircraft with systems not in "most" production versions. You can call it plain "fantasy". A bad development for a simulator Imho. Optional is fine, but the current DCS trend of enforcing fantasy stuff needs to stop. @Apache600: Oro-57K pod http://militaryrussia.ru/i/284/50/AoX2CkpY3D.jpg
Paradox Posted March 28, 2017 Posted March 28, 2017 What's that on the hardpoint? Like the poster above I believe that's one of the 4 shot S-5 rocket pods but could easily be wrong
foxbat155 Posted March 28, 2017 Posted March 28, 2017 You right,this is S-5 launcher, but for 8 rockets. Like Vincent wrote name for that stuff is ORO-57K.
foxbat155 Posted March 28, 2017 Posted March 28, 2017 MiG-19P hype:D. Weapon system diagram with description: If you wanna see ASP-5 gunsight from closer distance: Some crazy french gentleman disassembles this massive Soviet device. Generally I wanna recommend that channel. Lot of electronics inside view, civil, military, Western, Eastern.
OnlyforDCS Posted March 28, 2017 Posted March 28, 2017 The Mig19 is a "second generation" jet fighter aircraft. I quite like that we are getting it but Im kind of worried that since it will be the first 2nd gen. in the sim, there won't be that much to do with it, unless it comes with a robust campaign in place. (And that doesn't solve the problems of multiplayer). Current specs: Windows 10 Home 64bit, i5-9600K @ 3.7 Ghz, 32GB DDR4 RAM, 1TB Samsung EVO 860 M.2 SSD, GAINWARD RTX2060 6GB, Oculus Rift S, MS FFB2 Sidewinder + Warthog Throttle Quadrant, Saitek Pro rudder pedals.
Paradox Posted March 28, 2017 Posted March 28, 2017 The Mig19 is a "second generation" jet fighter aircraft. I quite like that we are getting it but Im kind of worried that since it will be the first 2nd gen. in the sim, there won't be that much to do with it, unless it comes with a robust campaign in place. (And that doesn't solve the problems of multiplayer). I think it's going to be excellent on the existing Tiger vs Fishbed server. Some people (ME!) fly MiG-15s there against F-5s and it's actually surprisingly effective as long as you don't let them see you as a threat :D The 19 will be very fun I think I would of course like to see an F-100 on the other side but I think the MiG-19 won't be too much of an orphan aircraft
OnlyforDCS Posted March 28, 2017 Posted March 28, 2017 I think it's going to be excellent on the existing Tiger vs Fishbed server. Some people (ME!) fly MiG-15s there against F-5s and it's actually surprisingly effective as long as you don't let them see you as a threat :D The 19 will be very fun I think I would of course like to see an F-100 on the other side but I think the MiG-19 won't be too much of an orphan aircraft I hope that you are right. Does the Mig19 feature any flare countermeasures at all? Current specs: Windows 10 Home 64bit, i5-9600K @ 3.7 Ghz, 32GB DDR4 RAM, 1TB Samsung EVO 860 M.2 SSD, GAINWARD RTX2060 6GB, Oculus Rift S, MS FFB2 Sidewinder + Warthog Throttle Quadrant, Saitek Pro rudder pedals.
asla36 Posted March 28, 2017 Posted March 28, 2017 I think it's going to be excellent on the existing Tiger vs Fishbed server. Some people (ME!) fly MiG-15s there against F-5s and it's actually surprisingly effective as long as you don't let them see you as a threat :D The 19 will be very fun I think I would of course like to see an F-100 on the other side but I think the MiG-19 won't be too much of an orphan aircraft I will have to try that out too! Currently I have pretty much exclusively flown the MiG-21bis against modern thingies... :3 DCS: MiG-23 [sIGPIC] [/sIGPIC] Make it happen, and take my money! :D
Tirak Posted March 28, 2017 Posted March 28, 2017 The Mig19 is a "second generation" jet fighter aircraft. I quite like that we are getting it but Im kind of worried that since it will be the first 2nd gen. in the sim, there won't be that much to do with it, unless it comes with a robust campaign in place. (And that doesn't solve the problems of multiplayer). The Mirage IICJ is also in the works by RAZBAM, which will be very well suited to matching up against the MiG-19P. Also under certain limited weapon loadouts, the MiG-21 and F-5 can be considered as well, Both of those aircraft are superior, however not overwhelmingly, if used in conjunction with limited loadouts, when comparing aircraft like the MiG-21 and F-5 against the SU-27 and F-15. As far as I know the MiG-19P cannot carry flares, though the Chinese ones were modified to be able to do so.
RAZBAM_ELMO Posted March 28, 2017 Posted March 28, 2017 The Mirage IICJ is also in the works by RAZBAM, which will be very well suited to matching up against the MiG-19P. Also under certain limited weapon loadouts, the MiG-21 and F-5 can be considered as well, Both of those aircraft are superior, however not overwhelmingly, if used in conjunction with limited loadouts, when comparing aircraft like the MiG-21 and F-5 against the SU-27 and F-15. As far as I know the MiG-19P cannot carry flares, though the Chinese ones were modified to be able to do so. Wasn't the P a designation for export Chinese variants? Sent from my SM-G930W8 using Tapatalk Know and use all the capabilities in your airplane. If you don't, sooner or later, some guy who does use them all will kick your ass. — Dave 'Preacher' Pace, USN.
OverStratos Posted March 28, 2017 Author Posted March 28, 2017 Wasn't the P a designation for export Chinese variants? No, P stands for interceptor in russian (перехватчик= perejvatchik) It was S = Day fighter (however the S stands for Stabilator, as it was the first to hav an all moving one) and P = Interceptor
RAZBAM_ELMO Posted March 28, 2017 Posted March 28, 2017 The P will have an all moving tailplane right? Sent from my SM-G930W8 using Tapatalk Know and use all the capabilities in your airplane. If you don't, sooner or later, some guy who does use them all will kick your ass. — Dave 'Preacher' Pace, USN.
WinterH Posted March 28, 2017 Posted March 28, 2017 It should have as far as I know. Wishlist: F-4E Block 53 +, MiG-27K, Su-17M3 or M4, AH-1F or W circa 80s or early 90s, J35 Draken, Kfir C7, Mirage III/V DCS-Dismounts Script
Silver_Dragon Posted March 28, 2017 Posted March 28, 2017 MiG-19P hype:D. Weapon system diagram with description: If you wanna see ASP-5 gunsight from closer distance: Some crazy french gentleman disassembles this massive Soviet device. Generally I wanna recommend that channel. Lot of electronics inside view, civil, military, Western, Eastern. Thats bombs remember me the "depleted" bombs of the Mig-21Bis.... For Work/Gaming: 28" Philips 246E Monitor - Ryzen 7 1800X - 32 GB DDR4 - nVidia RTX1080 - SSD 860 EVO 1 TB / 860 QVO 1 TB / 860 QVO 2 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Warthog / TPR / MDF
RAZBAM_ELMO Posted March 28, 2017 Posted March 28, 2017 Looks like RBK's to me. Maybe 250's Sent from my SM-G930W8 using Tapatalk Know and use all the capabilities in your airplane. If you don't, sooner or later, some guy who does use them all will kick your ass. — Dave 'Preacher' Pace, USN.
Dudikoff Posted March 28, 2017 Posted March 28, 2017 (edited) Looks like RBK's to me. Maybe 250's Looks more like a FAB-250 family. Edited March 28, 2017 by Dudikoff i386DX40@42 MHz w/i387 CP, 4 MB RAM (8*512 kB), Trident 8900C 1 MB w/16-bit RAMDAC ISA, Quantum 340 MB UDMA33, SB 16, DOS 6.22 w/QEMM + Win3.11CE, Quickshot 1btn 2axis, Numpad as hat. 2 FPH on a good day, 1 FPH avg. DISCLAIMER: My posts are still absolutely useless. Just finding excuses not to learn the F-14 (HB's Swansong?). Annoyed by my posts? Please consider donating. Once the target sum is reached, I'll be off to somewhere nice I promise not to post from. I'd buy that for a dollar!
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