Wolf8312 Posted February 24, 2017 Posted February 24, 2017 Moral reasons aside, yea... other games. I am hopeful that eventually the vive will be just as good as the rift in DCS world. In fact the last patch notes: Improved quality of supersampling (applications that render much higher resolution than the recommended resolution). Added a slider to the developer settings page to set supersampling amount between 0.8x-2.4x the recommended resolution. And I can vouch that as of today its running very well, I'd be interested to try a RIFT because I cant imagine theres that much in it anymore. ------------ 3080Ti, i5- 13600k 32GB VIVE index, VKB peddals, HOTAS VPC MONGOOSE, WARTHOG throttle, BKicker,
Scooternutz Posted February 24, 2017 Author Posted February 24, 2017 I flew my first combat sortie on the NTTR Range last night “Inside” of the Rift. My air-frame was the Mirage 2000C. I had four LBGs and was departing out of Creech AFB. JTAC (Predator) was up in area about 8000AGL, sorting and lasing targets. Once I received coordinates to target areas I entered in the LAT/LONG to target which was in the Northern areas of the NTTR, 74.32 miles. I was glad as I would have some flight time. It was a little slow entering the coordinates in. I found that if I lean in to look at the NAV panel I can see quite clearly with the Rift. Time was 0900 and TOS would be about 0930 with departure and ingress. I decided to turn on the cockpit lights. Although I didn’t need them I like the red. I used to turn on the greenish blue lights in the SH-60 just because it highlighted the panels. Plus, it looks cool. I took my time taxiing to 13 for departure, everything looks awesome with this Rift. The 1st element, Pontiac 1, was already up and dropping iron. I could hear Northstriker, also my dad in real life, calling targets destroyed. He is very nice, he left me a Strela and a BMP. As Uzi 1, I was lined up and ready for my VFR departure switching to IFR on the climb out. No traffic from Los Angeles Center or Reno FSS. Nothing coming out of KLSV that would clobber the track into the NTTR. KVGT, KLAS, KHND, and KBVU should all be heading anywhere but North. Use your imagination! I pushed my eye glasses forward into the Rift, by pushing on the back of the arms, to make it more comfortable and readied for takeoff. I scanned the instruments in my beautiful 3D cockpit. Warning panel shows good. I ensure the leading edge slats are retracted. I decided to test them and deployed the slats. I got my warning, retracted the slats, and reset the master warning indicator. Throttle to full AB. The M-2000C climbed out without effort even with 2000lbs of iron under the belly. Once I reached a comfortable 15000A the desert looks magnificent. I don’t even realize I have the Rift on my face and head. What a glorious feeling of simulated flight. My Buttkicker is humming the familiar vibration frequencies of my jet. Time to ingress into the NTTR. Northstriker, dad, relayed to me that JTAC has smoke on target and the Strela was keeping her mouth shut. I turn on the weapons system, select my fuze, lock target and roll off to set up for the drop. Oh, $hit, here we go again, my head is swimming. Gotta focus on the run in. I roll left to line up on target. Damn it my f**king head is swimming! I can do this. This Rift is unbelievable. I lose all track of the real world. I continually let go of the stick and wipe my sweaty palm on my shorts. I lean to left all the way to dash to look around the HUD. This Rift is a dream. I can see the red smoke. I can see the 3D nose of the jet. I can see everything. Bomb fall line is climbing up the HUD. “PAVEWAY!” I roll right to view the target. I am very motion sick and getting worse. I roll back left looking down and boom. That Strelsa is no more. I steady up and lean my head back and take some deep breaths. Northstriker, “Hey what’s wrong?” Me, “I don’t know dad, I am feeling a little sick.” Dad, “Is that thing really that good?” Me, “Yes dad, I just can’t believe how real this feels. I am going to RTB and make a head call and get some water.” Northstriker, “Okay son, we can call it a night.” Me, “Okay dad, I just have to get used to flying in a 3D world.” In closing, it took me a few weeks to stop puking and pissing every 10 minutes in helos as well. J 1 [sIGPIC]https://drive.google.com/file/d/16rUBmmJR7A3YGZVGPGskxG1XtvulGojJ/view?usp=sharing[/sIGPIC]
Scooternutz Posted February 24, 2017 Author Posted February 24, 2017 Nice write-up! When I started in the SH-3H I would actually have to piss every ten minutes. The vibrations would just trigger something. Didn't matter how much or little I would drink. It almost became an issue. I became very intimate with the pilot relief tube. The one thing I did do was clean it myself after shutdown. I bought some alcohol and would pour it down the tube. The amazing line crew never had to worry about that. [sIGPIC]https://drive.google.com/file/d/16rUBmmJR7A3YGZVGPGskxG1XtvulGojJ/view?usp=sharing[/sIGPIC]
Scooternutz Posted February 24, 2017 Author Posted February 24, 2017 This was me last night, and at work now feeling so drained... I probably spent an unhealthy amount of hours in VR. It is like a drug. On a serious note: I am going to have to remain disciplined with this device. I will get up and move around instead sitting there hour after hour and when my lady wants my attention I WILL do the right thing. Since I got this on Wednesday nothing else matters this weekend and my wife gets it. All my kids are grown and she has the green light to shop this weekend so she is golden! [sIGPIC]https://drive.google.com/file/d/16rUBmmJR7A3YGZVGPGskxG1XtvulGojJ/view?usp=sharing[/sIGPIC]
Astronut Posted February 24, 2017 Posted February 24, 2017 Don't worry about the VR sickness, you will soon find it doesn't bother you. Very cool that you get to fly DCS with your Dad!
Dnil Posted February 24, 2017 Posted February 24, 2017 I was a little sick at first also, maybe a day or so. Now I have zero problems and can pretty much do any wild and crazy move and not feel a thing.
Rogue Trooper Posted February 24, 2017 Posted February 24, 2017 Well, that's it... you jerks finally wore me down with all your rave posts... I tried to resist until gen2... ordered a vive and it arrives saturday. damnit... Please add your views to the rave reviews StandingCow, I am determined to wait until Gen2.... Determined! HP G2 Reverb (Needs upgrading), Windows 10 VR settings: IPD is 64.5mm, High image quality, G2 reset to 60Hz refresh rate. set to OpenXR, but Open XR tool kit disabled. DCS: Pixel Density 1.0, Forced IPD at 55 (perceived world size), DLSS setting is quality at 1.0. VR Driver system: I9-9900KS 5Ghz CPU. XI Hero motherboard and RTX 3090 graphics card, 64 gigs Ram, No OC... Everything needs upgrading in this system!. Vaicom user and what a superb freebie it is! Virpil Mongoose T50M3 base & Mongoose CM2 Grip (not set for dead stick), Virpil TCS collective with counterbalance kit (woof woof). Virpil Apache Grip (OMG). MFG pedals with damper upgrade. Total controls Apache MPDs set to virtual Reality height. Simshaker Jet Pro vibration seat.. Uses data from DCS not sound... goodbye VRS.
dburne Posted February 24, 2017 Posted February 24, 2017 I was a little sick at first also, maybe a day or so. Now I have zero problems and can pretty much do any wild and crazy move and not feel a thing. About the same here, at first I was getting fairly motion sick but it seemed to settle down over 2-3 days or so. Not so bad now. Don B EVGA Z390 Dark MB | i9 9900k CPU @ 5.1 GHz | Gigabyte 4090 OC | 64 GB Corsair Vengeance 3200 MHz CL16 | Corsair H150i Pro Cooler |Virpil CM3 Stick w/ Alpha Prime Grip 200mm ext| Virpil CM3 Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Base w/ Alpha-L Grip| Point Control V2|Varjo Aero|
StandingCow Posted February 25, 2017 Posted February 25, 2017 Please add your views to the rave reviews StandingCow, I am determined to wait until Gen2.... Determined! Will do. Part of it is reading on multiple sites that the VR devs don't want this to be a yearly release like phones are, so we are looking at probably 1-2 more years until the next generation comes out, probably more like 2. 5900X - 32 GB 3600 RAM - 1080TI My Twitch Channel ~Moo
Galm99 Posted February 25, 2017 Posted February 25, 2017 I has the same exact reaction when trying VR for the first time, it's a real game changer! RAF Air UK Website http://www.rafairuk-dcs.co.uk/ Mike Alpha Tango's YouTube Channel http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9oKDSVDDDErRVjRFqgu3bA Intel i7-6700k RTX 2080TI Gigabyte Z170-gaming K3 32gb DDR4 RAM Hotas Warthog CV1
boedha68 Posted February 25, 2017 Posted February 25, 2017 My feeling is normal...i fly DCS everyday in the rift.....It's just one difference...all of it looks and feels real, that's why i more focus on, not to get shot down and get marvelous landings to prevent boems and crashes. because that feels real too. :D Newest system: AMD 9800X3d, Kingsting 128 GBDDR5, MSI RTX 5090(ready for buying), Corsair 150 Pro, 3xSamsung 970 Pro, Logitech X-56 HOTAS, Pimax Crystal Light (Super is purchased) ASUS 1200 Watt. New system:I9-9900KS, Kingston 128 GB DDR4 3200Mhz, MSI RTX 4090, Corsair H150 Pro RGB, 2xSamsung 970 EVO 2Tb, 2xsamsung 970 EVO 1 TB, Scandisk m2 500 MB, 2 x Crucial 1 Tb, T16000M HOTAS, HP Reverb Professional 2, Corsair 750 Watt. Old system:I7-4770K(OC 4.5Ghz), Kingston 24 GB DDR3 1600 Mhz,MSI RTX 2080(OC 2070 Mhz), 2 * 500 GB SSD, 3,5 TB HDD, 55' Samsung 3d tv, Trackir 5, Logitech HD Cam, T16000M HOTAS. All DCS modules, maps and campaigns:pilotfly:
BlackLion213 Posted February 25, 2017 Posted February 25, 2017 I've noticed a funny tendency to feel a bit sick after I fly in the Rift - when I'm interacting and viewing the real world...seems strange to me. It's usually not too bad, but is somewhat proportional to my flying - more aggressive maneuvers = feeling worse after (but not during). Anyone else have the same issue? Also, thank you for the overview Scooternutz! I agree that its not hype, its just a remarkable transformation for simulation enthusiasts. VR will get better and things like the buttkicker (I need one!) probably help a lot as well, but I can't imagine what else could come down the road that will change things for flight sim as much as this. Its simply amazing and if I don't fly for a few days, my jaw drops again even after a few months of using it. I feel so fortunate to have access to tech like this and to have DCS supporting it. The RIft + DCS = flight sim heaven! -Nick
Hawkeye60 Posted February 25, 2017 Posted February 25, 2017 I feel so fortunate to have access to tech like this and to have DCS supporting it. The RIft + DCS = flight sim heaven! +1000 :thumbup::thumbup: Waited almost 25 years for this! Dream come true! Truly the best times lie ahead! Onward to Normandy! "Yeah, and though I work in the valley of Death, I will fear no Evil. For where there is one, there is always three. I preparest my aircraft to receive the Iron that will be delivered in the presence of my enemies. Thy ALCM and JDAM they comfort me. Power was given unto the aircrew to make peace upon the world by way of the sword. And when the call went out, Behold the "Sword of Stealth". And his name was Death. And Hell followed him. For the day of wrath has come and no mercy shall be given."
Scooternutz Posted February 25, 2017 Author Posted February 25, 2017 I feel so fortunate to have access to tech like this and to have DCS supporting it. The RIft + DCS = flight sim heaven! So true! [sIGPIC]https://drive.google.com/file/d/16rUBmmJR7A3YGZVGPGskxG1XtvulGojJ/view?usp=sharing[/sIGPIC]
FragBum Posted February 25, 2017 Posted February 25, 2017 +1000 :thumbup::thumbup: Waited almost 25 years for this! Dream come true! Truly the best times lie ahead! Onward to Normandy! ++1 Oh Scooternutz, BlackLion213 the motion sickness thing will pass. :thumbup: Control is an illusion which usually shatters at the least expected moment. Gazelle Mini-gun version is endorphins with rotors. See above. Currently rolling with a Asus Z390 Prime, 9600K, 32GB RAM, SSD, 2080Ti and Windows 10Pro, Rift CV1. bu0836x and Scratch Built Pedals, Collective and Cyclic.
Scooternutz Posted February 25, 2017 Author Posted February 25, 2017 Getting much better now. After flying about 5 hours with this I just don't think I could go back to just a screen. [sIGPIC]https://drive.google.com/file/d/16rUBmmJR7A3YGZVGPGskxG1XtvulGojJ/view?usp=sharing[/sIGPIC]
Dnil Posted February 25, 2017 Posted February 25, 2017 I tried to go back to track ir and a screen. It felt like playing on a 7 inch monitor and was just awful. I gave my track ir to a friend to use. No way I can ever play sims on a monitor again.
Scooternutz Posted February 26, 2017 Author Posted February 26, 2017 I just flew for four hours, taking small breaks. By the way, a few beers makes this really intense! After flying and figuring out I can zoom in and out the experience is complete. I didn't notice the small lack of graphic perfection you get with a monitor. It felt like complete immersion and I am astounded at how much better my flight fundamentals are. I remember a flight instructor getting on to me about flying level by constantly using the instruments. He would demand that I look at the horizon and the world outside. You can do this in VR. I was watching the wing on my Bf-109 on the downwind and glanced at my instruments and was perfectly level. I also like not centering my TrackIR every damned second. I am hooked and I am going to save some $$ and put it into a contingency fund because if my Rift ever goes out I will not fly without. It has had that much of an impact. I flew several combat sorties today in the Ka-50 and the A-10C and had no issues whatsoever. I liken the unit to wearing a motor cycle helmet which is a lot lighter than my flight helmet in the Navy. I am a convinced and believe in the VR world. There are so many people in this community that are so negative and I was one of them. I learned a great lesson. The great thing for me, personally, is it feels like I am really flying again and that is something I have missed so much. I think it is better than the last multi-million dollar sim I flew at NAS North Island. I flew the SH-60B, SH-60F, and MH-60R full motion trainers and this VR in DCS is better in my opinion. [sIGPIC]https://drive.google.com/file/d/16rUBmmJR7A3YGZVGPGskxG1XtvulGojJ/view?usp=sharing[/sIGPIC]
Torso Posted February 26, 2017 Posted February 26, 2017 I am a convinced and believe in the VR world. There are so many people in this community that are so negative and I was one of them. I learned a great lesson. That is awesome Scooternutz. Can you say why you felt kind of a bias against VR without trying beforehand? If that is what the case was that you are referencing in that comment, and not just a general condition statement? I love reading new VR users impression posts though. They really never get old and allow me to reconnect with my own first moments in VR right around this time last year. Regardless, welcome to the dark side, or light side, whichever works. But glad you are enjoying it and getting to get that flight fix in you were missing.:pilotfly:
boedha68 Posted February 26, 2017 Posted February 26, 2017 I tried to go back to track ir and a screen. It felt like playing on a 7 inch monitor and was just awful. I gave my track ir to a friend to use. No way I can ever play sims on a monitor again. Hahaha... I know that feeling, and i have a 55 inch big screen. :D Newest system: AMD 9800X3d, Kingsting 128 GBDDR5, MSI RTX 5090(ready for buying), Corsair 150 Pro, 3xSamsung 970 Pro, Logitech X-56 HOTAS, Pimax Crystal Light (Super is purchased) ASUS 1200 Watt. New system:I9-9900KS, Kingston 128 GB DDR4 3200Mhz, MSI RTX 4090, Corsair H150 Pro RGB, 2xSamsung 970 EVO 2Tb, 2xsamsung 970 EVO 1 TB, Scandisk m2 500 MB, 2 x Crucial 1 Tb, T16000M HOTAS, HP Reverb Professional 2, Corsair 750 Watt. Old system:I7-4770K(OC 4.5Ghz), Kingston 24 GB DDR3 1600 Mhz,MSI RTX 2080(OC 2070 Mhz), 2 * 500 GB SSD, 3,5 TB HDD, 55' Samsung 3d tv, Trackir 5, Logitech HD Cam, T16000M HOTAS. All DCS modules, maps and campaigns:pilotfly:
Dnil Posted February 26, 2017 Posted February 26, 2017 as to the feeling of flying again, i agree completely. I haven't flown since 08 when i was diagnosed with diabetes and have missed it dearly. So much money invested in my flying and just poof gone. VR brings that feeling back, it truly is ground breaking for sims.
borz666 Posted February 26, 2017 Posted February 26, 2017 Just joined the oculus club this weekend. I the words of George Takei "OH My!" Just incredible. It is smooth as silk on 1.5 but a I'm getting jitters and ghosting on 2.0. Any ideas? I have played with shadows and other settings but not really made too much of a difference. I have an i7 (Cant remember the number but it's clock in 4ghz and it is 6th gen) 16gb DDR 4 GTX 1060 6gb Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
vortexringstate Posted February 26, 2017 Posted February 26, 2017 +1000 :thumbup::thumbup: Waited almost 25 years for this! Dream come true! Truly the best times lie ahead! Onward to Normandy! Im about to purchase- have the same feelings as Hawkeye ! Big Q for me though... How is everyone managing keboard input commands with the Rift on? I understand most cockpit switches are more easily manipulated with the VR but surely there are plenty of other key inputs required?? Occulus Rift i7-7700 3.6Ghz 16GB Ram 1080Ti 11GB SSDx2
The_Ant Posted February 26, 2017 Posted February 26, 2017 Im about to purchase- have the same feelings as Hawkeye ! Big Q for me though... How is everyone managing keboard input commands with the Rift on? I understand most cockpit switches are more easily manipulated with the VR but surely there are plenty of other key inputs required?? Cant answer for the other Vr users,But i Quickglance throw the bottom of the rift goggles on my keybord,and have no problem with it,I use a hotas Warthog with throttle and make sures eveything is within reach Before starting to fly:joystick:
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