Horns Posted June 26, 2017 Posted June 26, 2017 Will the Hornet sim require DCS World 2 to run? If so, will DCS World 2 release before the F/A-18C module is available, or will access to the Hornet be delayed for Steam users? No doubt it will be worth the wait no matter how it shakes out, I'm just curious about the road map from here to there. Modules: [A-10C] [AJS 37] [AV8B N/A] [F-5E] [F-14] [F/A-18C] [FC3] [Ka-50] [M-2000C] [Mig-21 bis] [NTTR] [PG] [SC] Intel i7-12700F, Nvidia GTX 3080, MSI MPG Z690 Carbon WiFi, 32GB DDR4 @ 1600 MHz, SteelSeries Apex Pro, Razer Basilisk 3 VKB Gunfighter 3 w/ F-14 grip, Thrustmaster Warthog throttle, Thrustmaster MFD Cougars x2, MFG Crosswind, DSD Flight Series button controller, XK-24, Oculus Rift (HM-A)
Ocelotunit Posted June 26, 2017 Posted June 26, 2017 I'm sure it will be available in steam, but probably a long time after the stand alone version as early access modules aren't available on steam. Sent from my SM-G928F using Tapatalk
SkateZilla Posted June 26, 2017 Posted June 26, 2017 Early Access Products are not published on Steam Anymore. Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs
dhevans79 Posted June 26, 2017 Posted June 26, 2017 Out of interest, what benefit do you get from running the steam version? Purely from an interest point of view, not judging :) Sent from my E6653 using Tapatalk i7-7700K 4.2 GHz, Gigabyte GTX 980 4Gb, Asus Prime z270k, 16GB Corsair Vengeance 3600MHz, Plextor PCIe SSD 256Gb, Samsung EVO 750 SSD 500Gb, 9.5TB SATA incl 4TB Mirrored. Saitek X52-Pro
toutenglisse Posted June 26, 2017 Posted June 26, 2017 I agree.... since DCS2.0+hornet module are/will be standalone products from what you could already have with steam.... why not buy them here when available ? direct payment to russia are not yet forbidden?.... oh sh*t I go political.....
Horns Posted June 27, 2017 Author Posted June 27, 2017 I would (more) happily buy the Hornet for the standalone, but would I have to buy my other dlcs again? I have the A-10C and FC3... If I can get keys without having to pay for those again I'd much rather go standalone. I'm itching to see DCS World 2! Modules: [A-10C] [AJS 37] [AV8B N/A] [F-5E] [F-14] [F/A-18C] [FC3] [Ka-50] [M-2000C] [Mig-21 bis] [NTTR] [PG] [SC] Intel i7-12700F, Nvidia GTX 3080, MSI MPG Z690 Carbon WiFi, 32GB DDR4 @ 1600 MHz, SteelSeries Apex Pro, Razer Basilisk 3 VKB Gunfighter 3 w/ F-14 grip, Thrustmaster Warthog throttle, Thrustmaster MFD Cougars x2, MFG Crosswind, DSD Flight Series button controller, XK-24, Oculus Rift (HM-A)
Art-J Posted June 27, 2017 Posted June 27, 2017 With any modules released before Mirage 2000, you can switch from Steam to standalone (without buying second license) anytime. i7 9700K @ stock speed, single GTX1070, 32 gigs of RAM, TH Warthog, MFG Crosswind, Win10.
Horns Posted June 27, 2017 Author Posted June 27, 2017 Oh nice, I'll look into that ASAP! Thanks everyone, it would rock to get into the standalone Modules: [A-10C] [AJS 37] [AV8B N/A] [F-5E] [F-14] [F/A-18C] [FC3] [Ka-50] [M-2000C] [Mig-21 bis] [NTTR] [PG] [SC] Intel i7-12700F, Nvidia GTX 3080, MSI MPG Z690 Carbon WiFi, 32GB DDR4 @ 1600 MHz, SteelSeries Apex Pro, Razer Basilisk 3 VKB Gunfighter 3 w/ F-14 grip, Thrustmaster Warthog throttle, Thrustmaster MFD Cougars x2, MFG Crosswind, DSD Flight Series button controller, XK-24, Oculus Rift (HM-A)
Kiezer Posted June 27, 2017 Posted June 27, 2017 With any modules released before Mirage 2000, you can switch from Steam to standalone (without buying second license) anytime. I never managed to migrate my copy of the KA50 across from steam - its the reason Iv'e never managed to upgrade to BlackShark 2 & also why I now buy direct. No biggie, I prefer flying fixed wing - and I'am quite happy to buy from ED direct :) My failed attempts to get the GRcade community into flight sims :joystick:
The Black Swan Posted June 27, 2017 Posted June 27, 2017 Maybe the early access of the hornet will trigger a mass exodus from steam.... lol GeForce GTX 970, i5 4690K 3.5 GHz, 8 GB ram, Win 10, 1080p
QuiGon Posted June 28, 2017 Posted June 28, 2017 But why would anyone even use Steam DCS? To discover DCS. Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing!
dhevans79 Posted June 28, 2017 Posted June 28, 2017 To discover DCS. It's how I found it, then moved over once I found out more through the forums :) Sent from my E6653 using Tapatalk i7-7700K 4.2 GHz, Gigabyte GTX 980 4Gb, Asus Prime z270k, 16GB Corsair Vengeance 3600MHz, Plextor PCIe SSD 256Gb, Samsung EVO 750 SSD 500Gb, 9.5TB SATA incl 4TB Mirrored. Saitek X52-Pro
Horns Posted June 28, 2017 Author Posted June 28, 2017 But why would anyone even use Steam DCS? I found DCS through Steam (I think it was listed as similar to a game on a friend's wishlist). I bought FC3 and A-10C through Steam before I realized there was a standalone version of the game, and until a few days ago I thought I had to continue using Steam in order to maintain access to my DLCs. I have the standalone version downloading as I type this, but it is going painfully slowly, at a quarter of the speed of the Steam downloads (regardless of whether I use torrent or HTTP), so if there are large updates to download regularly, or if I have Kaizer's problem and can't access any DLC, I might wind up sticking with Steam. In hindsight, I should have checked that out before buying NTTS to get access to DCS 2. Modules: [A-10C] [AJS 37] [AV8B N/A] [F-5E] [F-14] [F/A-18C] [FC3] [Ka-50] [M-2000C] [Mig-21 bis] [NTTR] [PG] [SC] Intel i7-12700F, Nvidia GTX 3080, MSI MPG Z690 Carbon WiFi, 32GB DDR4 @ 1600 MHz, SteelSeries Apex Pro, Razer Basilisk 3 VKB Gunfighter 3 w/ F-14 grip, Thrustmaster Warthog throttle, Thrustmaster MFD Cougars x2, MFG Crosswind, DSD Flight Series button controller, XK-24, Oculus Rift (HM-A)
StandingCow Posted June 28, 2017 Posted June 28, 2017 But why would anyone even use Steam DCS? To be fair... steam automatically updates, and not only that but it is fast. I know ED is working on it but the standalone can slow down to a crawl when a lot of people are attempting to download a patch. 5900X - 32 GB 3600 RAM - 1080TI My Twitch Channel ~Moo
Angbor Posted June 29, 2017 Posted June 29, 2017 To be fair... steam automatically updates, and not only that but it is fast. I know ED is working on it but the standalone can slow down to a crawl when a lot of people are attempting to download a patch. This. It's very nice to just launch steam and have it figure out which of your games received a random update. Not to mention that I rarely see downloads take advantage of my full down speed, but steam is one of the few places I've seen it happen. That being said I have always used the standalone DCS. But the last time I came back from a break flying, I had to wait 3 hours for patches and my game window closed before it finished. Had to wait until the next day to try the Viggen out.
kylekatarn720 Posted June 29, 2017 Posted June 29, 2017 It's how I found it, then moved over once I found out more through the forums :) Sent from my E6653 using Tapatalk Ye same here, if it wasnt for steam i dont think i would have heard anything about dcs.
Slazi Posted July 26, 2017 Posted July 26, 2017 It's a real shame ED doesn't do more to push its product n Steam. Fragmenting the community like this is no good for anyone. People who want to use standalone will, but forcing Steam users to move over to inferior download speeds and away from their platform of choice seems very shortsighted. This is the one of the main reason I'm not playing DCS so much anymore. I can't access the latest modules or scenarios. It would be great to see ED take advantage of things like Steam Workshop for third-party mods, but this will probably never happen. Maybe with 2.0?... I can only hope.
SharkBaztard Posted July 26, 2017 Posted July 26, 2017 I only play standalone dcs and don't plan to go the steam route.. but I can only agree that steam is where you want to get your "name" out to the gaming population (if sales are a part of your developer goals). Steam update system is great/easy/fast.. If you are on steam for years and have friends, it makes for easier co-op gaming. For ex: I can see who is online and who is specifically playing DCS. Steam also has an easy comms option for 2 players. One can simply "call" their friend via headset and voice chat through any game without adding another 3rd party software(also, in-gamer overlay). and so on.. but yea, standalone ftw!
StandingCow Posted July 27, 2017 Posted July 27, 2017 I just add DCS as a non-steam game that way you get the overlay as if it were launched through steam. 5900X - 32 GB 3600 RAM - 1080TI My Twitch Channel ~Moo
QuiGon Posted July 27, 2017 Posted July 27, 2017 To my understanding not releasing the Bug on Steam in early access is only due to steam policy and has nothing to do with ED. Imaging the shitstorm when they would release it there without clarifying that it's early access. To my understanding the Bug will be released on steam when the state of the module corresponds with steam publishing policy. I can't see that there is any possibility right now to offer more content on steam before alpha modules reach beta status, but maybe i missed something. I think this thread makes more sense on the steam forum since they are responsible for denying firms like ED the possibility to offer early access content. Steam policies have nothing to do with that AFAIK. It's a decission made by ED to avoid negative Reviews on Steam for Early Access products. Steam also has the functionality for beta versions, but that won't work for single modules as they are build into DCS World. They could offer the different DCS World branches though, but as I already said, ED wants to avoid criticsm by uninformed players based on Early Access versions. Steam policies are only a problem regarding purchasing and key management. Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing!
Pasquale1986 Posted July 27, 2017 Posted July 27, 2017 (edited) Steam policies have nothing to do with that AFAIK. It's a decission made by ED to avoid negative Reviews on Steam for Early Access products. Steam also has the functionality for beta versions, but that won't work for single modules as they are build into DCS World. They could offer the different DCS World branches though, but as I already said, ED wants to avoid criticsm by uninformed players based on Early Access versions. Steam policies are only a problem regarding purchasing and key management. Thanks for the clarification QuiGon! Forget everything i wrote The reasoning is understandable (sadly) regarding like every M2K thread in the Forum that contains the words "Flight model" or "Radar" or "PCA" Grüße aus Kölle Edited July 27, 2017 by Pasquale1986 Main Module: AH-64D Personal Wishlist: HH-60G, F-117A, B-52H
JABO2009 Posted July 27, 2017 Posted July 27, 2017 This. It's very nice to just launch steam and have it figure out which of your games received a random update. Not to mention that I rarely see downloads take advantage of my full down speed, but steam is one of the few places I've seen it happen. That being said I have always used the standalone DCS. But the last time I came back from a break flying, I had to wait 3 hours for patches and my game window closed before it finished. Had to wait until the next day to try the Viggen out. Auto update is easy with steam, but it's not a big issue with Standalone Auto update.. I have standalone and am happy with it... (And having steam running in the background , grabs PC ressources ... while playing DCS) . Intel I7 - 10700 K @ 3,80GHz / 64 GB DDR3 / RTX 3090 / Win 10 Home 64 bit / Logitech X56 HOTAS / HP Reverb G2 Running DCS on latest OB version
SkateZilla Posted July 27, 2017 Posted July 27, 2017 Because the General Steam Userbase has issues with Pre-Release Products. They Purchase them and expect a Bug Free/Feature Complete piece of software, then give bad reviews and demand refunds The best way to avoid it is to not offer pre-release products. Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs
Buckeye Posted July 27, 2017 Posted July 27, 2017 Because the General Steam Userbase has issues with Pre-Release Products. They Purchase them and expect a Bug Free/Feature Complete piece of software, then give bad reviews and demand refunds The best way to avoid it is to not offer pre-release products. Extremely valid and accurate point here. Rig: SimLab P1X Chassis | Tianhang Base PRO + Tianhang F-16 Grip w/ OTTO Buttons | Custom Throttletek F/A-18C Throttle w/ Hall Sensors + OTTO switches and buttons | Slaw Device RX Viper Pedals w/ Damper Tactile: G-Belt | 2x BK LFE + 1x BK Concert | 2x TST-429 | 1x BST-300EX | 2x BST-1 | 6x 40W Exciters | 2x NX3000D | 2x EPQ304 PC/VR: Somnium VR1 Visionary | 4090 | 12700K
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