mvsgas Posted July 15, 2017 Posted July 15, 2017 (edited) That has happened and will happen with any aircraft release. When the Mirage was release people complaint the couldn't carry this weapons or do that. People are already "voicing concern" regarding the version of the F-4. The same has happen with the A-10C, P-51D, Bf-109, AJS-37, etc.etc. So, it does not matter, people will complain regardless. If they would make every F-16 versions out there, people will complain that there are to many options. Edited July 15, 2017 by mvsgas To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
Vitormouraa Posted July 15, 2017 Posted July 15, 2017 mvsgas I like to keep in my mind that people are never happy about what they are getting. They will always complain about something, being the variant, block or the lack of options. Lol I even saw people complaining about the Hornet being too capable! :D But thats life, we are humans! SplashOneGaming Discord https://splashonegaming.com
WinterH Posted July 15, 2017 Posted July 15, 2017 Mirage case was different as Razbam, and some of the community were wanting, or at least considering, to give it weapons that are at most fairy tales for that version. Phantom is more curiosity as it is iconic, and is just announced. In F-16's case, it has so many versions, blocks, sub versions, modifications, upgrades, mid life dress-ups, it is almost impossible to give the one that will make everyone in the world happy :D. I agree though, in the end it doesn't matter, and even if a few people yell a bit for not getting their favorite version, they'll just flock on whatever version is made like flie... no wait this example sound inapproapriate :D, ehm, they'll flock on it like, eeerrr... seagulls? :D. Well, if it's at least block 50 anyway, if it is block 40, or god forbid even lower, I can imagine the pitchforks, stakes, pyres and guilliotines that will be set up in these forums :D. Wishlist: F-4E Block 53 +, MiG-27K, Su-17M3 or M4, AH-1F or W circa 80s or early 90s, J35 Draken, Kfir C7, Mirage III/V DCS-Dismounts Script
mvsgas Posted July 15, 2017 Posted July 15, 2017 (edited) In F-16's case, it has so many versions, blocks, sub versions, modifications, upgrades, mid life dress-ups, it is almost impossible to give the one that will make everyone in the world happy :D. The thing is, this is true for many, many aircraft. Like I posted here: https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3194847&postcount=14 I was thinking the same thing. From the book Airtime publishing Mcdonnell F-4 Phantoms, Spirit of the Skies :there where 1389 built, block 31 to 67, tail number 66-0284 to 78-0744. User where Egypt, Turkey, Israel, RAAF, Iran, Greece, Luftwaffe, ROK and the USAF. So P-47, 51, F-15, F/A-18, etc. all have multitude of blocks and many many variations and modifications. The only difference most people don't think about it on other aircraft. Aircraft like the Mig-21 have so many variants and modifications, that the sub-variants got sub-variants. Well, if it's at least block 50 anyway, if it is block 40, or god forbid even lower, I can imagine the pitchforks, stakes, pyres and guilliotines that will be set up in these forums :D. I also talk about this several times, it depends on many factors. For example, if they model USAF F-16 circa 2012, block 40/42/50/52 should all have same avionics and capabilities. Only difference would be individual Squadron or pilot missions, training and the engines. Also blocks 50/52 would have slight T/W advantage and advance IFF which some block 40/42 do not have ( but we don't even use that in DCS, meaning proper IFF procedures, implementation etc.) Even T/W advantage is relative, because there are Block 42 with block 52 engines and they also have AIFF. So even that is depending on specifics. Edited July 16, 2017 by mvsgas To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
mvsgas Posted July 15, 2017 Posted July 15, 2017 mvsgas I like to keep in my mind that people are never happy about what they are getting. They will always complain about something, being the variant, block or the lack of options. Lol I even saw people complaining about the Hornet being too capable! :D But thats life, we are humans! I agree, I'm also guilty of the same behavior, I believe we all are. To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
mvsgas Posted July 18, 2017 Posted July 18, 2017 To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
aileron Posted July 20, 2017 Posted July 20, 2017 Everyones talking the Viper and all's I want to see is a 150. Surely we can make some room for a REAL aircraft. Okay... okay okay... I want the viper too. Block 50... of course. ;)
RaceFuel85 Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 Everyones talking the Viper and all's I want to see is a 150. Surely we can make some room for a REAL aircraft. Okay... okay okay... I want the viper too. Block 50... of course. ;) DCS: Doug Masters
mvsgas Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 LOL To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
RaceFuel85 Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 Anywho... Honestly..I think the "best bang for the buck" would be a Block 52. It's used by a wide array of nations around the world and fits the general timeframe for the rest of the DCS aircraft..(late 90's early 2000's)
mvsgas Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 Anywho... Honestly..I think the "best bang for the buck" would be a Block 52. It's used by a wide array of nations around the world and fits the general timeframe for the rest of the DCS aircraft..(late 90's early 2000's) That time frame will also include Block 20, updated earlier blocks 15, block 40/42/50. Also, all block 52, 52+ around the world have different capabilities. To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
RaceFuel85 Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 That time frame will also include Block 20, updated earlier blocks 15, block 40/42/50. Also, all block 52, 52+ around the world have different capabilities. Yes I know.. But this isn't that other three letter sim...we're unlikely to get multiple different blocks of F-16's. I simply meant that while the Block 52 has different electronic/sensor capabilities around the world..the basic raw performance is mostly the same..that being a Block 52 with the PW F100-P229 motor.
SkateZilla Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 Block 60 or Bust,.. Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs
tobaschi Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 F-14, F-15, F-18... the sim is getting full of F's except the most relevant one! Why does nobody even dare to propose the F-16? What happen with this a/c? is it coursed or something? Regards! fixed it for you
mvsgas Posted July 22, 2017 Posted July 22, 2017 Yes I know.. But this isn't that other three letter sim...we're unlikely to get multiple different blocks of F-16's. I simply meant that while the Block 52 has different electronic/sensor capabilities around the world..the basic raw performance is mostly the same..that being a Block 52 with the PW F100-P229 motor. I understand. I have a bias against PW engines. Not the -229 specifically ( seldom seen those ), but PW in general. While I was in Luke AFB, this happened several times https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2735148&postcount=346 If you look, in USAF, all F-16 units overseas use only GE engines. Kunsan, Osan, Misawa, Aviano, Eielson. There are only two PW power units that deploy to combat AFAIK, Tulsa ANG and SC ANG 1 To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
mvsgas Posted July 22, 2017 Posted July 22, 2017 Block 60 or Bust,.. :smartass::P To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
Northstar98 Posted July 22, 2017 Posted July 22, 2017 Providing lots of assets for the aircraft can be recycled with only minor alteration between different blocks. I know there are some more major changes between blocks but I imagine a lot of the stuff can be pretty much recycled. So... Why not ship with multiple variants? I mean, I'm also no expert on anything as far as I can see most of the differences between blocks are avionic related - allowing the carriage of more advanced weapons. The rest may be more subtle engine improvements. Again, I'm no developer, nor am I in anyway an expert, so this could be wishful thinking, especially considering that resources are a bit thin shall we say... Modules I own: F-14A/B, F-4E, Mi-24P, AJS 37, AV-8B N/A, F-5E-3, MiG-21bis, F-16CM, F/A-18C, Supercarrier, Mi-8MTV2, UH-1H, Mirage 2000C, FC3, MiG-15bis, Ka-50, A-10C (+ A-10C II), P-47D, P-51D, C-101, Yak-52, WWII Assets, CA, NS430, Hawk. Terrains I own: South Atlantic, Syria, The Channel, SoH/PG, Marianas. System: GIGABYTE B650 AORUS ELITE AX, AMD Ryzen 5 7600, Corsair Vengeance DDR5-5200 32 GB, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070S FE, Western Digital Black SN850X 1 TB (DCS dedicated) & 2 TB NVMe SSDs, Corsair RM850X 850 W, NZXT H7 Flow, MSI G274CV. Peripherals: VKB Gunfighter Mk.II w. MCG Pro, MFG Crosswind V3 Graphite, Logitech Extreme 3D Pro.
mvsgas Posted July 22, 2017 Posted July 22, 2017 So... Why not ship with multiple variants? I love the idea but I do not think that would be fair for the developer. It would be a lot of work and would be the only module with multiple variants. In RL the Mig-21 had many more variants that F-16 and we only got 1 version in DCS and many love it, I like that module. So, although many people will grab their pitch forks no matter what version, what year, what country they use as a basis for a F-16 module, if it is well made people will try it eventually and hopefully like it. To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
Northstar98 Posted July 22, 2017 Posted July 22, 2017 (edited) I love the idea but I do not think that would be fair for the developer. It would be a lot of work and would be the only module with multiple variants. In RL the Mig-21 had many more variants that F-16 and we only got 1 version in DCS and many love it, I like that module. So, although many people will grab their pitch forks no matter what version, what year, what country they use as a basis for a F-16 module, if it is well made people will try it eventually and hopefully like it. Well, I mean if and I really can't stress the if enough, a lot of assets can be recycled between blocks and variants without too much extra workload, then I don't really see why it would be unfair on a developer, but I understand the point you are making. I suppose one alternative is you pay full price for the first variant you buy, then get further variants at a much more reduced fee, providing you already have purchased one variant full price or whatever. Just an example lets pretend for a moment that Heatblur decides to do a JA-37 to supplement the AJS-37 we already have, what I'm saying that if you already purchased the AJS-37, you get the JA-37 at a reduced price or vice-versa. Eh just a thought... Now I know the F-16 is a lot more complex than say the L-39 or Gazelle, even maybe between variants and blocks. However both the L-39 and the Gazelle ship with multiple variants, the C-101 is planned to have multiple variants once that gets sorted and AFAIK the BO-105 will also receive multiple versions when that gets done, so it wouldn't necessarily be the only module with different variants. I do however see your point about the MiG-21Bis maybe something for the future? Most versions I can think of are actually downgrades rather than upgrades (possible versions I would like to see personally are MiG-21F-13, MiG-21PF/PFM and MiG-21M but this is probably for a different thread). Edited July 22, 2017 by Northstar98 Modules I own: F-14A/B, F-4E, Mi-24P, AJS 37, AV-8B N/A, F-5E-3, MiG-21bis, F-16CM, F/A-18C, Supercarrier, Mi-8MTV2, UH-1H, Mirage 2000C, FC3, MiG-15bis, Ka-50, A-10C (+ A-10C II), P-47D, P-51D, C-101, Yak-52, WWII Assets, CA, NS430, Hawk. Terrains I own: South Atlantic, Syria, The Channel, SoH/PG, Marianas. System: GIGABYTE B650 AORUS ELITE AX, AMD Ryzen 5 7600, Corsair Vengeance DDR5-5200 32 GB, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070S FE, Western Digital Black SN850X 1 TB (DCS dedicated) & 2 TB NVMe SSDs, Corsair RM850X 850 W, NZXT H7 Flow, MSI G274CV. Peripherals: VKB Gunfighter Mk.II w. MCG Pro, MFG Crosswind V3 Graphite, Logitech Extreme 3D Pro.
RaceFuel85 Posted July 23, 2017 Posted July 23, 2017 I understand. I have a bias against PW engines. Not the -229 specifically ( seldom seen those ), but PW in general. While I was in Luke AFB, this happened several times https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2735148&postcount=346 If you look, in USAF, all F-16 units overseas use only GE engines. Kunsan, Osan, Misawa, Aviano, Eielson. There are only two PW power units that deploy to combat AFAIK, Tulsa ANG and SC ANG I am bested sir..I'm more of an Eagle/Tomcat guy so I know less of the Viper.. I'll defer to your experience
mvsgas Posted July 23, 2017 Posted July 23, 2017 I am bested sir..I'm more of an Eagle/Tomcat guy so I know less of the Viper.. I'll defer to your experience Apologies, I did not meant to say I know more than anyone. My knowledge is very limited. To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
RaceFuel85 Posted July 23, 2017 Posted July 23, 2017 Apologies, I did not meant to say I know more than anyone. My knowledge is very limited. No no you're cool..I honestly didn't realize the majority of active duty Vipers overseas had the GE motors
frixon28 Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Me too. Though I think a block 52 would be ideal: most if not all aircraft currently flying in Western air forces are up to that standard: either built like that from scratch or through upgrades (such as the F-16A MLU - Mid-Life Update). Thread bump. You would want PW engines over GE??? I cant even talk look at you now :D I believe that ED chose the Hornet over the Viper for the sole reason you can do more with it than an F16 module. As much as I want an F16 module, the Hornet can do everything the Viper can do in terms of weapons but brings in a whole bunch of fans wanting carrier operations. While the Viper might sell more for us who are in countries that operate them, the Hornet from a gameplay poimt of view for marketing will attract more people IMO 1
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