Northstar98 Posted November 10, 2017 Posted November 10, 2017 (edited) Hi Lunatic98, I sincerely apologise for unintentionally misleading you. As a Brit it is my solemn duty to inject sarcastic humour whenever possible - along with occasional understatement and references to the poor weather. I had hoped that the smiley and the reference to training with live passengers might have given the game away. I can only assume you are an American in which case I sympathise and understand your utter confusion! :-) To clarify, I would like to genuinely support the suggestion for an unlimited water option to allow for easier VTOL training. No no no don't apologise, I didn't feel like I was being intentionally misled it's just that my hasty reading coupled with the previous genuine comment made me believe that your reply was genuine, (plus factor in Ovenmit's comment) hence my response (though it would help if I ran comments through my internal psychologist a few times before making my own replies. That is all. The only thing I don't take too kindly to is solving sarcasm, with sarcasm seasoned with a hint of patronage - though that wasn't you who was doing that. I do see however that you have perfectly mastered the British apology code of conduct! (I am also a Brit and the realms of spoken word sarcasm are one's I understand completely, not to mention the poor weather). Edited November 10, 2017 by Northstar98 Modules I own: F-14A/B, F-4E, Mi-24P, AJS 37, AV-8B N/A, F-5E-3, MiG-21bis, F-16CM, F/A-18C, Supercarrier, Mi-8MTV2, UH-1H, Mirage 2000C, FC3, MiG-15bis, Ka-50, A-10C (+ A-10C II), P-47D, P-51D, C-101, Yak-52, WWII Assets, CA, NS430, Hawk. Terrains I own: South Atlantic, Syria, The Channel, SoH/PG, Marianas. System: GIGABYTE B650 AORUS ELITE AX, AMD Ryzen 5 7600, Corsair Vengeance DDR5-5200 32 GB, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070S FE, Western Digital Black SN850X 1 TB (DCS dedicated) & 2 TB NVMe SSDs, Corsair RM850X 850 W, NZXT H7 Flow, MSI G274CV. Peripherals: VKB Gunfighter Mk.II w. MCG Pro, MFG Crosswind V3 Graphite, Logitech Extreme 3D Pro.
Zeus67 Posted November 11, 2017 Posted November 11, 2017 (edited) +1 It's the same story with unlimited fuel and weapons - useful for training over and over again in the same mission, which is a big plus for me as with my entry-mid range PC loading times even for playing the same mission again can be up to 10 minutes and if there's no unlimited option I would just stop trying to VTOL the Harrier because I would get sick and tired of waiting 10 minutes unnecessarily to practice hovering it under conditions where water is more necessary (and from Zeus's comment I have absolutely no idea how RAZBAM intends for us to refill the tank (would that be tied into the fuel?)) - all the more reason to have better ground crew options, maybe extending so that we can fill each tank individually as well as all at once (like FSX). Plus there are some of us here that aren't real pilots, with limited free time and DCS is a quintessentially a computer game, albeit granted a computer game which allows us to do what we do the best out of other PC flight simulators. But the point remains the same, plus we have difficulty options and even 'game mode' avionics some aircraft. So there's absolutely no reason not to include it at all. It's funny because in the hotspot detector thread Zeus said and I quote "USMC wants a god-mode sensor" as justification for a god-mode sensor but apparently they don't want unlimited water? I'm not having a go but hopefully you see the point I'm trying to make here. Water is refilled every time you do a rearm/refuel. Water is not required 100% of the time. In fact you can do VTO and VL in Caucasus without water. Nevada on the other hand is a different story due to the base altitude of the terrain, you may use water or not, that is your call and it is based on engine power. Basically, in any airport at near sea level (or in the Tarawa) you can practice without the need of using water. In high altitude airports the need to use water depends on environmental factors that affect engine power, as well as your aircraft gross weight. Also, the water system does not work like an off/on switch. Once you enabled it, water may or may not flow depending on engine rpm. So the 90 seconds of continuous water use is quite a lot of time. Check the engine limitations in the pocket guide and you will also notice that you have a higher probability of damaging the engine through overrevs or overtemp long before the water runs out. Edited November 11, 2017 by Zeus67 "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." "The three most dangerous things in the world are a programmer with a soldering iron, a hardware type with a program patch and a user with an idea."
Max_Rogue Posted November 11, 2017 Posted November 11, 2017 Water is refilled every time you do a rearm/refuel. Water is not required 100% of the time. In fact you can do VTO and VL in Caucasus without water. Nevada on the other hand is a different story due to the base altitude of the terrain, you may use water or not, that is your call and it is based on engine power. Basically, in any airport at near sea level (or in the Tarawa) you can practice without the need of using water. In high altitude airports the need to use water depends on environmental factors that affect engine power, as well as your aircraft gross weight. Also, the water system does not work like an off/on switch. Once you enabled it, water may or may not flow depending on engine rpm. So the 90 seconds of continuous water use is quite a lot of time. Check the engine limitations in the pocket guide and you will also notice that you have a higher probability of damaging the engine through overrevs or overtemp long before the water runs out. I don't think very many people are grasping the concept that the water isn't needed 100% of the time, or they are very adamant about doing training in Nevada for "realism," which I totally understand. Some times ya just want that immersion. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Northstar98 Posted November 11, 2017 Posted November 11, 2017 (edited) Water is refilled every time you do a rearm/refuel. Okay that's what I needed, thanks Zeus :thumbup: And just in case, I know water isn't required 100% of the time ...under conditions where water is more necessary... I know it is dependent on other factors and isn't as simple as an on/off switch Edited November 11, 2017 by Northstar98 Modules I own: F-14A/B, F-4E, Mi-24P, AJS 37, AV-8B N/A, F-5E-3, MiG-21bis, F-16CM, F/A-18C, Supercarrier, Mi-8MTV2, UH-1H, Mirage 2000C, FC3, MiG-15bis, Ka-50, A-10C (+ A-10C II), P-47D, P-51D, C-101, Yak-52, WWII Assets, CA, NS430, Hawk. Terrains I own: South Atlantic, Syria, The Channel, SoH/PG, Marianas. System: GIGABYTE B650 AORUS ELITE AX, AMD Ryzen 5 7600, Corsair Vengeance DDR5-5200 32 GB, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070S FE, Western Digital Black SN850X 1 TB (DCS dedicated) & 2 TB NVMe SSDs, Corsair RM850X 850 W, NZXT H7 Flow, MSI G274CV. Peripherals: VKB Gunfighter Mk.II w. MCG Pro, MFG Crosswind V3 Graphite, Logitech Extreme 3D Pro.
WildBillKelsoe Posted November 12, 2017 Posted November 12, 2017 well, I will enable unlimited water during my True Lies outtakes ,in Nevada 1 AWAITING ED NEW DAMAGE MODEL IMPLEMENTATION FOR WW2 BIRDS Fat T is above, thin T is below. Long T is faster, Short T is slower. Open triangle is AWACS, closed triangle is your own sensors. Double dash is friendly, Single dash is enemy. Circle is friendly. Strobe is jammer. Strobe to dash is under 35 km. HDD is 7 times range key. Radar to 160 km, IRST to 10 km. Stay low, but never slow.
flyingscotsman Posted November 12, 2017 Posted November 12, 2017 90 seconds, that’ll focus the attention a bit, I’ll not be forgetting that one!
Sephyrius Posted November 12, 2017 Posted November 12, 2017 If the water is just there to give the engine some extra 'oomph' when needed you can probably extend the VTOL practice time alot by just running an empty loadout and with limited fuel.
Johnny Dioxin Posted November 12, 2017 Posted November 12, 2017 Water is refilled every time you do a rearm/refuel. Water is not required 100% of the time. In fact you can do VTO and VL in Caucasus without water. I'm surprised to see you write that - I was watching a display video by a GR7 pilot with an unladen aircraft and you could very clearly see him using the water in his hovers. This in Southern UK. Or is it a case "you don't have to, but it's SOP"? Rig: Asus TUF GAMING B650-PLUS; Ryzen 7800X3D ; 64GB DDR5 5600; RTX 4080; VPC T50 CM2 HOTAS; Pimax Crystal Light I'm learning to fly - but I ain't got wings With my head in VR - it's the next best thing!
Spudknocker Posted November 13, 2017 Author Posted November 13, 2017 I'm surprised to see you write that - I was watching a display video by a GR7 pilot with an unladen aircraft and you could very clearly see him using the water in his hovers. This in Southern UK. Or is it a case "you don't have to, but it's SOP"? Was it a hot day? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Spudknocker DCS World YouTube Channel!! RTX 2080 Ti - i7-7700K - 32GB RAM - DCS on 1TB EVO 970 M.2 SSD - Logitech X56 HOTAS
frixon28 Posted November 14, 2017 Posted November 14, 2017 $70? Will we get multiple campaigns or something? I just noticed when I went to pre-order. Not commenting or trying to spark a debate or something on the topic, just wondering from a factual point of view why the unusual cost?
Jester986 Posted November 14, 2017 Posted November 14, 2017 KC-130 and LHA maybe? If they're released as an asset module people will complain about fragmentation, if the cost of this module is increased people will complain about subsidizing other players. Either way I don't care... I can afford it and the devs will face backlash either way.
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted November 14, 2017 ED Team Posted November 14, 2017 correct the extra assets are a factor in the price, and well worth it. Especially good value as pre-purchase. Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, PIMAX Crystal
Spudknocker Posted November 14, 2017 Author Posted November 14, 2017 I just prepurchased! The hype is real! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Spudknocker DCS World YouTube Channel!! RTX 2080 Ti - i7-7700K - 32GB RAM - DCS on 1TB EVO 970 M.2 SSD - Logitech X56 HOTAS
SnowTiger Posted November 14, 2017 Posted November 14, 2017 Ya ... I just bit the bullet and pre-purchased it even though I can't really afford it. I already have at least 10 other mods I haven't even sat in yet !! It's an Addiction. I need Help. I need "DCS Addicts Anonymous". or "DCS Pre-Purchaser's Anonymous" !! SnowTiger AMD Ryzen 9 7950X - Zen 4 16-Core 4.5 GHz - Socket AM5 - 170W Desktop Processor ASUS ROG STRIX X670E-A GAMING WIFI 6E Socket AM5 (LGA 1718) Ryzen 7000 gaming motherboard Geforce RTX 4090 Gaming Trio X - 24GB GDDR6X + META Quest 3 + Controllers + Warthog Throttle, CH Pro Pedals, VKB Gunfighter MKII MCG Pro G.SKILL Trident Z5 Neo Series 64 GB RAM (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6000 RAM
flyingscotsman Posted November 14, 2017 Posted November 14, 2017 Looks like a lot of us have this addiction problem, but I consider the planes a bargain, look at all the goodies, and bangs for buck, you could pay just a bit less for some FSX aircraft and still not get to blow anything up
SnowTiger Posted November 14, 2017 Posted November 14, 2017 Well I have to admit that blowing S__T up is definitely a bonus. It's what I get up in the morning for. LOL SnowTiger AMD Ryzen 9 7950X - Zen 4 16-Core 4.5 GHz - Socket AM5 - 170W Desktop Processor ASUS ROG STRIX X670E-A GAMING WIFI 6E Socket AM5 (LGA 1718) Ryzen 7000 gaming motherboard Geforce RTX 4090 Gaming Trio X - 24GB GDDR6X + META Quest 3 + Controllers + Warthog Throttle, CH Pro Pedals, VKB Gunfighter MKII MCG Pro G.SKILL Trident Z5 Neo Series 64 GB RAM (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6000 RAM
R1Lawsy Posted November 15, 2017 Posted November 15, 2017 I think i am a DCS "generalist"... lots of knowledge of lots of modules, master of none... Hoping to change this with the Harrier.... However, if they release the F14, F18 i will be bouncing all over the place again ha!
Johnny Dioxin Posted November 22, 2017 Posted November 22, 2017 Was it a hot day? Well I wasn't there, as I was watching it on a video - but it looked pretty mild. Standard UK wx. Rig: Asus TUF GAMING B650-PLUS; Ryzen 7800X3D ; 64GB DDR5 5600; RTX 4080; VPC T50 CM2 HOTAS; Pimax Crystal Light I'm learning to fly - but I ain't got wings With my head in VR - it's the next best thing!
NeilWillis Posted November 23, 2017 Posted November 23, 2017 I guess the real solution to the water issue is to weight the weather to make it easier - cold and high atmospheric pressures will negate the problem nicely I suspect?
drPhibes Posted November 23, 2017 Posted November 23, 2017 Or you could make the whole plane lighter by replacing the pilot's oxygen bottle with helium :)
Zarni Posted November 23, 2017 Posted November 23, 2017 Or you could make the whole plane lighter by replacing the pilot's oxygen bottle with helium :) It might have some side effects... :megalol: Everything is possible except skiing through revolving doors.
Auntystatic Posted December 6, 2017 Posted December 6, 2017 well its out with 3 options but no explanation what those 3 options are for?
Rlaxoxo Posted December 6, 2017 Posted December 6, 2017 well its out with 3 options but no explanation what those 3 options are for? Probably for debugging/tracing reasons [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Youtube Reddit
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