SkateZilla Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Its the driver code .. that runs on the CPU that is at issue is it not ? AFAIK, Any Processor w/ Cache is affected. Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilotasso Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 (edited) You know what? Marketing department @ Intel are geniuses. More so than their Engineers in the last 4 years. Zero IPC gains in that Time frame and bad rep, sales stagnating. So what do you do to create demand while technically beaten by AMD rivals? Let everyone know about a bug they only knew for the longest of time that affects performance of their older CPU's. So much so that AMD themselves with global foundries backing them up cannot keep up with the surge. It's like: Clients- "ooh, 8th gen. So what? we're sitting pretty on our Haswell and broadwell machines, FU intel!" Intel-" well, FU back. All those processors are bugged, good luck haha!" CLients- "well, we're just going to buy Epyc then, Bye!" AMD- *scotty accent* she's givin all shes got capt'n she canae hold any longer!" *holding onto the Coffe machine steaming loudly and shaking on its stand* Clients- "heeeeeeey Intel! Soooooooo. About those CPU's...." Edited January 11, 2018 by Pilotasso [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic4448_29.gif[/sigpic] My PC specs below:Case: Corsair 400C PSU: SEASONIC SS-760XP2 760W Platinum CPU: AMD RYZEN 3900X (12C/24T) RAM: 32 GB 4266Mhz (two 2x8 kits) of trident Z RGB @3600Mhz CL 14 CR=1T MOBO: ASUS CROSSHAIR HERO VI AM4 GFX: GTX 1080Ti MSI Gaming X Cooler: NXZT Kraken X62 280mm AIO Storage: Samsung 960 EVO 1TB M.2+6GB WD 6Gb red HOTAS: Thrustmaster Warthog + CH pro pedals Monitor: Gigabyte AORUS AD27QD Freesync HDR400 1440P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitMaster Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 You know what? Marketing department @ Intel are geniuses. More so than their Engineers in the last 4 years. Zero IPC gains in that Time frame and bad rep, sales stagnating. So what do you do to create demand while technically beaten by AMD rivals? Let everyone know about a bug they only knew for the longest of time that affects performance of their older CPU's. So much so that AMD themselves with global foundries backing them up cannot keep up with the surge. It's like: Clients- "ooh, 8th gen. So what? we're sitting pretty on our Haswell and broadwell machines, FU intel!" Intel-" well, FU back. All those processors are bugged, good luck haha!" CLients- "well, we're just going to buy Epyc then, Bye!" AMD- *scotty accent* she's givin all shes got capt'n she canae hold any longer!" *holding onto the Coffe machine steaming loudly and shaking on its stand* Clients- "heeeeeeey Intel! Soooooooo. About those CPU's...." Only the devil could mount such a plan ! Now, is Intel the Devil ? ...need more coffee Gigabyte Aorus X570S Master - Ryzen 5900X - Gskill 64GB 3200/CL14@3600/CL14 - Asus 1080ti EK-waterblock - 4x Samsung 980Pro 1TB - 1x Samsung 870 Evo 1TB - 1x SanDisc 120GB SSD - Heatkiller IV - MoRa3-360LT@9x120mm Noctua F12 - Corsair AXi-1200 - TiR5-Pro - Warthog Hotas - Saitek Combat Pedals - Asus PG278Q 27" QHD Gsync 144Hz - Corsair K70 RGB Pro - Win11 Pro/Linux - Phanteks Evolv-X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldur Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 I havent gotten any patch yet from windows 10. Is that normal? Do I need to do something? It's KB4056892 for Win 10 and KB4056894 for Win 7 respectively. You could check your update history and see if it's in there already. I've got a 3570K and received that update for Win 7 already. Today I just read that SSD IOPS are cut by half due to that update. That's massive. (for those who understand German: https://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Intel-Benchmarks-zu-Meltdown-Spectre-Performance-sackt-um-bis-zu-10-Prozent-ab-SSD-I-O-deutlich-mehr-3938747.html ; a Samsung 960 Pro went down to 105,986 read / 79,313 write from 197,525 / 185,620) Also, AMD CPUs are indeed vulnerable to Branch Target Injection (Spectre variant 2). After all, Spectre hasn't been "fixed" yet. And it's up to the hardware guys to do that. I highly doubt I'll get a BIOS update for my board (GA Z77 D3H). The most recent one is dated 2014-01-07, just a tad more than 4 years now, and it's even beta and never got a release version. I really wonder how much impact this has on DCS. I didn't really do benchmarks, but yesterday after updating, I had 40-70fps in 1.5.8 where I was used to 70-120. But that also could be caused by the Harrier which is in early access after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dburne Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 It's KB4056892 for Win 10 and KB4056894 for Win 7 respectively. You could check your update history and see if it's in there already. I've got a 3570K and received that update for Win 7 already. Thanks for the info, looks like I have it. Don B EVGA Z390 Dark MB | i9 9900k CPU @ 5.1 GHz | Gigabyte 4090 OC | 64 GB Corsair Vengeance 3200 MHz CL16 | Corsair H150i Pro Cooler |Virpil CM3 Stick w/ Alpha Prime Grip 200mm ext| Virpil CM3 Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Base w/ Alpha-L Grip| Point Control V2|Varjo Aero| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitMaster Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Those updates cause a few incompatibilities, prepare to roll back if need to be. Gigabyte Aorus X570S Master - Ryzen 5900X - Gskill 64GB 3200/CL14@3600/CL14 - Asus 1080ti EK-waterblock - 4x Samsung 980Pro 1TB - 1x Samsung 870 Evo 1TB - 1x SanDisc 120GB SSD - Heatkiller IV - MoRa3-360LT@9x120mm Noctua F12 - Corsair AXi-1200 - TiR5-Pro - Warthog Hotas - Saitek Combat Pedals - Asus PG278Q 27" QHD Gsync 144Hz - Corsair K70 RGB Pro - Win11 Pro/Linux - Phanteks Evolv-X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dburne Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Those updates cause a few incompatibilities, prepare to roll back if need to be. So far all is good on my end, have had it a few days. Don B EVGA Z390 Dark MB | i9 9900k CPU @ 5.1 GHz | Gigabyte 4090 OC | 64 GB Corsair Vengeance 3200 MHz CL16 | Corsair H150i Pro Cooler |Virpil CM3 Stick w/ Alpha Prime Grip 200mm ext| Virpil CM3 Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Base w/ Alpha-L Grip| Point Control V2|Varjo Aero| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkateZilla Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Windows 7 only does Monthly Roll Ups now , Dont they? Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gearbox Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Windows 7 only does Monthly Roll Ups now , Dont they? It was released out of sequence as KB4056897, or as part of the monthly rollup KB4056894. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkateZilla Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Another Hit on Intel: https://www.extremetech.com/computing/262031-researchers-found-another-major-security-flaw-intel-cpus Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gearbox Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 >an attacker with physical access If someone can put their hands on your stuff, all bets are off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mars Exulte Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Only the devil could mount such a plan ! Now, is Intel the Devil ? ...need more coffee I dunno... They have the same email, though. Де вороги, знайдуться козаки їх перемогти. 5800x3d * 3090 * 64gb * Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brainless Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 One interesting tool to check yours systems. https://www.grc.com/inspectre.htm Please read the page carefully and use on own risk, many anti-virus programs report it as malware. Also, it is possible to update the CPU microcode under Windows with VMWare microcode update driver. https://labs.vmware.com/flings/vmware-cpu-microcode-update-driver Instructions are provided on the page. Unfortunately, for old systems like mine (Sandy Bridge), there is still no microcode update from Intel. My plan is to keep my system protected in default state and disable protections when flying. Ryzen 5900X (Water), 64GB DDR4@3600CL16, RTX 3090 (Water), U4021QW, Samsung 980 Pro 2TB, 2x1000GB RAID 1, 2000GB, Thrustmaster Warthog + MFG Crosswind, Reverb G2 V2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 One interesting tool to check yours systems. https://www.grc.com/inspectre.htm Please read the page carefully and use on own risk, many anti-virus programs report it as malware. Also, it is possible to update the CPU microcode under Windows with VMWare microcode update driver. https://labs.vmware.com/flings/vmware-cpu-microcode-update-driver Instructions are provided on the page. Unfortunately, for old systems like mine (Sandy Bridge), there is still no microcode update from Intel. My plan is to keep my system protected in default state and disable protections when flying. Is that possible? to disable the protections? I thought after the patch there was no turning back- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brainless Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Meltdown protection can be disabled by uninstalling the update or with registry settings (the method of this tool). Of course you will need restart after every change. About Spectre, I'm not sure how it will be with bios update, but you can check. Ryzen 5900X (Water), 64GB DDR4@3600CL16, RTX 3090 (Water), U4021QW, Samsung 980 Pro 2TB, 2x1000GB RAID 1, 2000GB, Thrustmaster Warthog + MFG Crosswind, Reverb G2 V2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkateZilla Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 the Meltdown Fix (KB) For Windows 7 Botched a bunch of Studio Software Suites, had to uninstall it. Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StandingCow Posted January 17, 2018 Author Share Posted January 17, 2018 the Meltdown Fix (KB) For Windows 7 Botched a bunch of Studio Software Suites, had to uninstall it. Yea, temporarily botched some fan control software from asus too, but they patched it pretty quick. 5900X - 32 GB 3600 RAM - 1080TI My Twitch Channel ~Moo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 I still didnt get any update in w10. :joystick: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitMaster Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 https://www.grc.com/inspectre.htm security-checker from grc.com https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=KB4056892 MS DL-Center patch Gigabyte Aorus X570S Master - Ryzen 5900X - Gskill 64GB 3200/CL14@3600/CL14 - Asus 1080ti EK-waterblock - 4x Samsung 980Pro 1TB - 1x Samsung 870 Evo 1TB - 1x SanDisc 120GB SSD - Heatkiller IV - MoRa3-360LT@9x120mm Noctua F12 - Corsair AXi-1200 - TiR5-Pro - Warthog Hotas - Saitek Combat Pedals - Asus PG278Q 27" QHD Gsync 144Hz - Corsair K70 RGB Pro - Win11 Pro/Linux - Phanteks Evolv-X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 https://www.grc.com/inspectre.htm security-checker from grc.com https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=KB4056892 MS DL-Center patch That seems a good app, is it safe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitMaster Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 (edited) grc is my only 101% trusted source ever since, without any doubt ! it's worth to read all of his webpage, i.e. https ev2 certs etc... for example: https://www.grc.com/fingerprints.htm -- this is a must read. btw, i deploy n run fw's that can do exactly that, https interception Edited January 18, 2018 by BitMaster Gigabyte Aorus X570S Master - Ryzen 5900X - Gskill 64GB 3200/CL14@3600/CL14 - Asus 1080ti EK-waterblock - 4x Samsung 980Pro 1TB - 1x Samsung 870 Evo 1TB - 1x SanDisc 120GB SSD - Heatkiller IV - MoRa3-360LT@9x120mm Noctua F12 - Corsair AXi-1200 - TiR5-Pro - Warthog Hotas - Saitek Combat Pedals - Asus PG278Q 27" QHD Gsync 144Hz - Corsair K70 RGB Pro - Win11 Pro/Linux - Phanteks Evolv-X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansangb Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Yeah, GRC has been around a *LONG* time. I've used spinrite for just as long. Saved my bacon a few times. hsb HW Spec in Spoiler --- i7-10700K Direct-To-Die/OC'ed to 5.1GHz, MSI Z490 MB, 32GB DDR4 3200MHz, EVGA 2080 Ti FTW3, NVMe+SSD, Win 10 x64 Pro, MFG, Warthog, TM MFDs, Komodo Huey set, Rverbe G1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brainless Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 @BitMaster, do you have already bios update against Spectre? Is it possible to disable the protection with grc tool? Ryzen 5900X (Water), 64GB DDR4@3600CL16, RTX 3090 (Water), U4021QW, Samsung 980 Pro 2TB, 2x1000GB RAID 1, 2000GB, Thrustmaster Warthog + MFG Crosswind, Reverb G2 V2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 I still dont understand why I dont get any update on win 10. Anyway, here is a good article about the user space environment where games take place. https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/xw4vak/meltdown-and-spectre-cpu-frame-rate-issues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitMaster Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 (edited) @BitMaster, do you have already bios update against Spectre? Is it possible to disable the protection with grc tool? 0606 fixed it for me there is a list on asus website, actually msi, gigabyte have one too, only asrock does not. some magazin had the links, just which one ...ehhhhh:cry: yes, the tool can revert the reg.keys <--> either way edit: list of vendors with links to check Bios availability :: https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/software/list-of-links-bios-updates-for-the-meltdown-and-spectre-patches/ Edited January 19, 2018 by BitMaster Gigabyte Aorus X570S Master - Ryzen 5900X - Gskill 64GB 3200/CL14@3600/CL14 - Asus 1080ti EK-waterblock - 4x Samsung 980Pro 1TB - 1x Samsung 870 Evo 1TB - 1x SanDisc 120GB SSD - Heatkiller IV - MoRa3-360LT@9x120mm Noctua F12 - Corsair AXi-1200 - TiR5-Pro - Warthog Hotas - Saitek Combat Pedals - Asus PG278Q 27" QHD Gsync 144Hz - Corsair K70 RGB Pro - Win11 Pro/Linux - Phanteks Evolv-X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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