falcon_120 Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 (edited) Interesting read on the air engagement that eneded up with 2 mig 29 shot down during the Kosovo Air war. Probably already posted but i made a quick search with no succes. http://spotter-ssol.blogspot.com.es/2012/06/kosovo-mig-kills.html I wish we had a realistic F15C module so much... :( Regards, Edited April 27, 2018 by falcon_120
falcon_120 Posted April 27, 2018 Author Posted April 27, 2018 Btw I've been looking into similar chronicles/blogs regarding the air engagements on desert storm. Any of you have links to this?
Haukka81 Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 Nice story. More like these, detailed , very good reading :) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Oculus CV1, Odyssey, Pimax 5k+ (i5 8400, 24gb ddr4 3000mhz, 1080Ti OC ) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted April 27, 2018 ED Team Posted April 27, 2018 Hi all I have a had a clean up, as usual please do not make this political. The op is saying he enjoyed the story, and is looking for more, that is all Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, PIMAX Crystal
jojo Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 I'm surprised by this detail: Dirk One (F-15C, Serial 86-0156) Dirk Two (F-15C, Serial 84-0014) [...] Finally I turned the GMTR setting on my trusty APG-70 to low and immediately saw the targets. Locked them up and show 80 kts ground speed! I wanted to reach through the mic and strangle the @#%$ out the controller! [vehicles] So, at that time, F-15C from Lakenheath were fitted with APG-70 ??? I always thought it was a F-15E radar ? Mirage fanatic ! I7-7700K/ MSI RTX3080/ RAM 64 Go/ SSD / TM Hornet stick-Virpil WarBRD + Virpil CM3 Throttle + MFG Crosswind + Reverb G2. Flickr gallery: https://www.flickr.com/gp/71068385@N02/728Hbi
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falcon_120 Posted April 27, 2018 Author Posted April 27, 2018 Hi all I have a had a clean up, as usual please do not make this political. The op is saying he enjoyed the story, and is looking for more, that is allI have edited my OP, i hope no ones sensibility is hurt now Enviado desde mi SM-G950F mediante Tapatalk
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted April 27, 2018 ED Team Posted April 27, 2018 I have edited my OP, i hope no ones sensibility is hurt now Enviado desde mi SM-G950F mediante Tapatalk Dont worry, we just have to be aware we have users from all nationalities here so we should be mindful when posting. Your post was fine, just misunderstood initially :) Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, PIMAX Crystal
Majinbot Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 Maybe propaganda in your world. That video is just a chance to hear the other side of the story - pilot testimony. The video talks about how the mig-29 were in poor conditions, as I had also reported in a post some time ago. But someone does not like the idea that the Air Force won against airplanes that barely flew. The us airplanes must be the best, and that's true but they first made countless propaganda videos. PC: i7-13700K - Gigabyte RTX 5080 GAMING OC - 64GB DDR5 6400 - VPC MongoosT-50CM3 - VKB GF pro - MFG Crosswind - Msi MPG321UR-QD + LG OLED 32GS95UE - TrackIR5 - Quest 3
Basher54321 Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 So, at that time, F-15C from Lakenheath were fitted with APG-70 ??? I always thought it was a F-15E radar ? Possibly 42 USAF F-15C/Ds were fitted with the APG-70(V) at some point (which was a modified APG-63 pretty much). This covers the Desert Storm and Allied Force engagements and also mentions using APG-70 in the F-15C in 1999. https://ospreypublishing.com/f-15c-eagle-units-in-combat-pb
frixon28 Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 The video talks about how the mig-29 were in poor conditions, as I had also reported in a post some time ago. But someone does not like the idea that the Air Force won against airplanes that barely flew. The us airplanes must be the best, and that's true but they first made countless propaganda videos. With MiG-29 losses, the excuses are always inferior pilots are the reason, but the MiG-29 is still amazing and can easily take down US fighters. Now it is malfunctions with the aircraft that caused the loss to the American fighters. Cannot we just accept history as it happened? The loss of some of the MiG-29's due to supposedly not having working RWR's is a testament itself to reality's of warfare. Real life is not some clean video game like DCS were everything is perfect, which is why I cannot ever understand the countless West vs Eastern aircraft debates that try to justify the loss of aircraft (like the MiG-29 in this instance). The results speak for themselves, and and I wish people would just accept them rather than trying to defend airplanes that they like. So yes the MiG-29 pilots stood no chance, but NATO forces designed it to be that way, war is not fair.
ESAc_matador Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 The aircraft, weapons, pilots, training, tactics and maintenance builds ONE WEAPON. If you miss something, you are lost.
aaron886 Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 So true. It's the ability to create the whole system that is difficult. Even more difficult is to create such a complete system with greater mass of force than an opponent's, if for no reason other than resources.
Oceandar Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 (edited) I notice the AWACS (Magic) didn't track bandits at first, well I guess dcs has modeled it right lol. BTW, the pilot asked for purple onion? What does purple onion mean? Edited April 28, 2018 by Oceandar Mastering others is strength. Mastering yourself is true power. - Lao Tze
jojo Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 Possibly 42 USAF F-15C/Ds were fitted with the APG-70(V) at some point (which was a modified APG-63 pretty much). This covers the Desert Storm and Allied Force engagements and also mentions using APG-70 in the F-15C in 1999. https://ospreypublishing.com/f-15c-eagle-units-in-combat-pb Thanks :thumbup: Mirage fanatic ! I7-7700K/ MSI RTX3080/ RAM 64 Go/ SSD / TM Hornet stick-Virpil WarBRD + Virpil CM3 Throttle + MFG Crosswind + Reverb G2. Flickr gallery: https://www.flickr.com/gp/71068385@N02/728Hbi
Sierra99 Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 I notice the AWACS (Magic) didn't track bandits at first, well I guess dcs has modeled it right lol. BTW, the pilot asked for purple onion? What does purple onion mean? Most likely the brevity code for cleared to fire. Every ATO period the brevity codes were changed to keep adversaries guessing about our intentions. I remember on night the code for bingo fuel was "gravy" and the code for request RTB was jello. Blech! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Primary Computer ASUS Z390-P, i7-9700K CPU @ 5.0Ghz, 32GB Patriot Viper Steel DDR4 @ 3200Mhz, ZOTAC GeForce 1070 Ti AMP Extreme, Samsung 970 EVO M.2 NVMe drives (1Tb & 500 Gb), Windows 10 Professional, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS, Thrustmaster Warthog Stick, Thrustmaster Cougar Throttle, Cougar MFDs x3, Saitek Combat Rudder Pedals and TrackIR 5. -={TAC}=-DCS Server Gigabyte GA-Z68XP-UD3, i7-3770K CPU @ 3.90GHz, 32GB G.SKILL Ripjaws DDR3 @ 1600Mhz, ZOTAC GeForce® GTX 970.
jojo Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 With MiG-29 losses, the excuses are always inferior pilots are the reason, but the MiG-29 is still amazing and can easily take down US fighters. The MiG-29A was a good fighter in its time. But by 1999 it was already outdated. Even with fully functional aircraft, these 2 Serbians pilots would have had a hard time. They did their duty and paid a heavy price for that. The Lakenheath F-15C were ahead for the weapon system, plus everything else. You're right, war isn't a fair "game". Mirage fanatic ! I7-7700K/ MSI RTX3080/ RAM 64 Go/ SSD / TM Hornet stick-Virpil WarBRD + Virpil CM3 Throttle + MFG Crosswind + Reverb G2. Flickr gallery: https://www.flickr.com/gp/71068385@N02/728Hbi
HiJack Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 Thanks for sharing, have not seen these before. War is never fair and definitely not a "balanced" fight. Let us enjoy the MiG-29 for the stunning features it is well known for. Of course it was outdated in 1999 but it is still a sexy beast! :)
Majinbot Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 With MiG-29 losses, the excuses are always inferior pilots are the reason, but the MiG-29 is still amazing and can easily take down US fighters. Now it is malfunctions with the aircraft that caused the loss to the American fighters. Cannot we just accept history as it happened? The loss of some of the MiG-29's due to supposedly not having working RWR's is a testament itself to reality's of warfare. Real life is not some clean video game like DCS were everything is perfect, which is why I cannot ever understand the countless West vs Eastern aircraft debates that try to justify the loss of aircraft (like the MiG-29 in this instance). The results speak for themselves, and and I wish people would just accept them rather than trying to defend airplanes that they like. So yes the MiG-29 pilots stood no chance, but NATO forces designed it to be that way, war is not fair. If they had clashed against Russian Mig-29s the result would have been a little different. I'm not defending anyone, at the end US would always won the aerial fight. Luckly it never happened. Otherwise now we should have to play with the stones and sticks throwing simulator... PC: i7-13700K - Gigabyte RTX 5080 GAMING OC - 64GB DDR5 6400 - VPC MongoosT-50CM3 - VKB GF pro - MFG Crosswind - Msi MPG321UR-QD + LG OLED 32GS95UE - TrackIR5 - Quest 3
HiJack Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 If they had clashed against Russian Mig-29s the result would have been a little different. I'm not defending anyone, at the end US would always won the aerial fight. Luckly it never happened. Otherwise now we should have to play with the stones and sticks throwing simulator... Yes, I guess you are right. I suppose the MiG-29A should have been used for deterrence against neighbouring countries and protection of a peaceful border. Forcing pilots in to a plane that have lots of failures before start should not have happened either, poor chaps.
Kenan Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 Politics aside, whatever your favourite western/eastern aircraft/philosophy is, I don't think anyone in this thread, by wanting to engage in a strickly "technical" aspect of those air to air engagements, wants to dispute/bring into a question the courage and professionalism of those MiG-29 pilots who went against the odds (knowing what they were facing). [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Commanding Officer of: 2nd Company 1st financial guard battalion "Mrcine" See our squads here and our . Croatian radio chat for DCS World
escaner Posted April 29, 2018 Posted April 29, 2018 Btw I've been looking into similar chronicles/blogs regarding the air engagements on desert storm. Any of you have links to this? I can second Basher's recommendation, and even enjoyed more this other book: https://www.amazon.com/Debrief-Complete-History-Engagements-Present/dp/0764327852 There is another Osprey book (F-15C Eagle vs MiG-23/25 in the Gulf War) that describes a few more combats, including an F/A-18 kill by a MiG-25, which is not that easy to find. Some more stuff, MiG-21 kills by F/A-18: Fox's view http://www.tbo.com/list/military-news/altman-centcom-deputy-commander-recalls-mig-shootdown-20140504/ Mongo's view Here read the full description of the video, the actual combat is a bit hidden. https://www.nytimes.com/1998/11/15/magazine/status-is-for-navy-fighter-pilots-an-air-to-air-kill.html [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
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