unbreakable Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 I can't help myself pointing out big mistake in in MAC announcement: "14 exceptional combat aircraft from the United States, Russia..." All those red planes were made in USSR but not in Russia. USSR didn't comprise of only Russia. Please correct that! Windows 10/ I5-4690K/ Asus Z97-A/ Asus GTX 970/ 16 Gb DDR3 1600MHz/ 1920*1080 / TrackIR 5/ Thrustmaster Hotas Warthog/ Saitek Pro Flight Rudder Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akula Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Makes sense. FC was FC because Ubisoft owned the LOMAC name. Good way to go back to the roots. I have a few questions though: While FC3 owners get a discount, is there any upside to this if we already have the full fidelity modules and theaters? Are there any improvements to the original FC3 aircraft that will require MAC? How will the full fidelity vs MAC aircraft like the MiG-21 be handled in multiplayer? Will servers or mission builders have the option to require the full fidelity module in a slot? I agree 100% I'd definitely buy it if it was an improved version of FC3 but if the campaigns are just as trashy as they are in FC3 then why bother? Just for a few more planes? Fluff if you ask me. I know I'm repeating home fry's question but what would be the difference between THIS and FC3? If it's just more planes then I'll pass, thanks. In all honesty I just want a campaign that works. MB: MPG Z790 EDGE WIFI Memory: WD Black SN850X 2TB PCIe Gen4 NVMe M.2 CPU: Intel Core i9-14900K Desktop Processor 24 cores (8P+16E) 36M Cache EVGA 1200W Gold PSU MSI RTX 3090 TrackIR on Samsung 49 inch Odyssey Widescreen No money in my pocket lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Am I the only one surprised to see the MiG-21 included in MAC? It's the only third party aircraft in the list. Will this be the Magnitude 3 MiG or a new one built by ED? Or is Magnitude 3 collaborating on MAC? PC Specs / Hardware: MSI z370 Gaming Plus Mainboard, Intel 8700k @ 5GHz, MSI Sea Hawk 2080 Ti @ 2100MHz, 32GB 3200 MHz DDR4 RAM Displays: Philips BDM4065UC 60Hz 4K UHD Screen, Pimax 8KX Controllers / Peripherals: VPC MongoosT-50, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS, modded MS FFB2/CH Combatstick, MFG Crosswind Pedals, Gametrix JetSeat OS: Windows 10 Home Creator's Update Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boedha68 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Thanks ED too make it a module! :D New system:I9-9900KS, Kingston 128 GB DDR4 3200Mhz, MSI RTX 4090, Corsair H150 Pro RGB, 2xSamsung 970 EVO 2Tb, 2xsamsung 970 EVO 1 TB, Scandisk m2 500 MB, 2 x Crucial 1 Tb, T16000M HOTAS, HP Reverb Professional 2, Corsair 750 Watt. Old system:I7-4770K(OC 4.5Ghz), Kingston 24 GB DDR3 1600 Mhz,MSI RTX 2080(OC 2070 Mhz), 2 * 500 GB SSD, 3,5 TB HDD, 55' Samsung 3d tv, Trackir 5, Logitech HD Cam, T16000M HOTAS. All DCS modules, maps and campaigns:pilotfly: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uscstaylor Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 I for one would like to see if there are any differences in graphics. I mean I already have the full version in DCS World, why on earth would I turn around and buy it again....makes no sense to me...So what does this MAC have that DCS World don't....Curious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alado Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 and mac, what have new??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzles Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 (edited) Of course the MAC version has the same flight modeling. Already all Su-27S and such are suffering from the lack of fuel when the zero G tank gets emptied... Fri13, I think you're missing detail here. Flightmodel != system model. Wing stall and the like == Flight model. Compressor stall and similar == System model. Going upside down and running out of fuel is done by pretty much all of them as it's simple to model, and generally part of the simple system model anyway. The Mig-21 is not sufferring from fuel starvation at 0-g when the engine shuts down after a couple of seconds, but the actual g-effects on the engine (airflow iirc). That's systems modelling, and something which there's already a special option to disable. Hence the question, which really only ED/LN can answer, but it's also applicable to some of the other modules. The FC + Full will all have the same flight model, but the systems models are another matter. The A-10A for example models less under the covers than the A-10C. Edited July 13, 2018 by Buzzles Fancy trying Star Citizen? Click here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad_Max2 Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 Dang... am I the only one who was wanting some new planes for the new FC (now MAC)? I mean this is fine, and will serve it's purpose well for new players. But nothing new. Like others have said though, ED has the hornet to finish and a laundry list of other things to handle with DCS. F-14's coming, F-4 etc. etc. Really not an issue at all, just a little bummed out. Can't have everything!:smilewink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepin1234 Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 Am I the only one surprised to see the MiG-21 included in MAC? It's the only third party aircraft in the list. Will this be the Magnitude 3 MiG or a new one built by ED? Or is Magnitude 3 collaborating on MAC? good question Sr. :thumbup: anybody? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FraserNZL Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 Hi does this mean that the Mig-29 Will be getting it PFM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nessuno0505 Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 I have the modules already but will likely still buy it, if just for the campaigns and missions it will bring That is an interesting question: if I buy MAC and already own for example F-5 full fidelity, will I have the chance to play the MAC campaign / missions both with F-5 MAC and F-5 full, or just with f-5 MAC? The A-10A for example models less under the covers than the A-10C. I think no one can say that a-10a FC3/MAC is an advantage in combat vs a-10c full fidelity, even if a-10c is at the moment the most complex airframe off all DCS modules. If I had to choose online which version to fly to drop bombs on tanks, 10/10 times I'd choose a-10c. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted July 14, 2018 ED Team Share Posted July 14, 2018 Am I the only one surprised to see the MiG-21 included in MAC? It's the only third party aircraft in the list. Will this be the Magnitude 3 MiG or a new one built by ED? Or is Magnitude 3 collaborating on MAC? It is Magnitude 3's MiG-21, and I believe ED devs are doing the conversion to MAC. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted July 14, 2018 ED Team Share Posted July 14, 2018 Hi does this mean that the Mig-29 Will be getting it PFM? The MiG-29 was always getting a PFM, it's in work right now. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted July 14, 2018 ED Team Share Posted July 14, 2018 Dang... am I the only one who was wanting some new planes for the new FC (now MAC)? I mean this is fine, and will serve it's purpose well for new players. But nothing new. Like others have said though, ED has the hornet to finish and a laundry list of other things to handle with DCS. F-14's coming, F-4 etc. etc. Really not an issue at all, just a little bummed out. Can't have everything!:smilewink: Sorry to bum you out more, but the F4 is pushed back behind the Viper, Hind and Cobra ;) Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivdad__relbul Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 I'm definitely interested in this. I like a lot of the aircraft in DCS, but I just don't have the time to learn all of their full-fidelity cockpits. I am curious how much of a discount we'll get by having FC3, what will be the pricing of MAC, and I wonder how ED will deal with people who already have some of the planes as full-fidelity modules (for example: a discount on MAC for each owned module?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlacleyCole Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 Be nice if the nttr and pg maps are the areas that are not the areas already covered would get me to buy it. BlackeyCole 20years usaf XP-11. Dcs 2.5OB Acer predator laptop/ i7 7720, 2.4ghz, 32 gb ddr4 ram, 500gb ssd,1tb hdd,nvidia 1080 8gb vram New FlightSim Blog at https://blackeysblog.wordpress.com. Go visit it and leave me feedback and or comments so I can make it better. A new post every Friday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oceandar Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 Sorry to bum you out more, but the F4 is pushed back behind the Viper, Hind and Cobra ;)Is ED/BS developing the Viper or third party? Mastering others is strength. Mastering yourself is true power. - Lao Tze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fri13 Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 Fri13, I think you're missing detail here. Flightmodel != system model. Wing stall and the like == Flight model. Compressor stall and similar == System model. Going upside down and running out of fuel is done by pretty much all of them as it's simple to model, and generally part of the simple system model anyway. The Mig-21 is not sufferring from fuel starvation at 0-g when the engine shuts down after a couple of seconds, but the actual g-effects on the engine (airflow iirc). That's systems modelling, and something which there's already a special option to disable. I don't miss that. A compressor stall is part of flight modeling. It is literally a air flow mechanics. A electronic light system is not part of flight modeling like how to adjust taxiing light or collision lights. Adjusting radar scope brightness is about system modeling and not flight modeling. Hydraulics failure from overdspeeding like extending air brakes or landing gear at too high speed is as well about flight modeling. A pitot tube icing is about flight modeling, but turning on its heater is system modeling. A canopy releasing is about flight modeling, like ejecting canopy affects flight modeling, but it is system modeling for ejecting it. A landing gear is about flight modeling, as is its mechanics system modeling, but emergency landing gear release is system modeling. Like in Mig-21Bis A MAC pilot press G to extend and retract landing gear. Might have a Ctrl+G for emergency extension, but full fidelity pilot has all the landing gear positions to lock and release the leveler and air pressure control with all three positions etc. A drogue chute is as well both, full fidelity has the release button as its cutoff button, and MAC likely has just button to release and second time to cut it off. So MAC user gets easier on that, but doesn't have the finer control of systems operations, but still has same flight modeling. A nose cone control is about flight modeling, but question is that can a MAC pilot select automatic and manual and adjust it distance or is it just automatic? As one can then push past 1300Kph at Sea level by adjusting cone manually, but other is limited to automatic and might suffer flame out. Both have same flight modeling but other has fine system modeling. So while both can have same flight modeling, other might be able to do something manually to get better that automation doesn't handle well. -- I usually post from my phone so please excuse any typos, inappropriate punctuation and capitalization, missing words and general lack of cohesion and sense in my posts..... i7-8700k, 32GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 2x 2080S SLI 8GB, Oculus Rift S. i7-8700k, 16GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 1080Ti 11GB, 27" 4K, 65" HDR 4K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted July 14, 2018 ED Team Share Posted July 14, 2018 Is ED/BS developing the Viper or third party? EDSA is, there is no more BST, they have merged with EDSA. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flogger23m Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 Better than nothing, but I already have the MIG-21 and I am not too interested in the F-5. About the only interest I have in the L-39 is that I can probably fly that skin I made some years back for it: Didn't expect much more though. Would love to get an FC / "MAC" F-18 or F-16, or even modern variants of the full fidelity modules. M2000-5F or -5, Su-27SM2, ect. Depending on the price I may pick it up though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Witchking Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 It's great that ED are still going to do FC level aircraft. Just a quick concern: Does this mean they will fix the CBU issues with A-10A?? The aspect that the bombs fall way short of the aim point? IIRC..this issue is still persistent and hasn't been fixed yet. WHISPR | Intel I7 5930K | Nvidia GTX980 4GB GDDR5 | 16GB DDR4 | Intel 730 series 512GB SSD | Thrustmaster WARTHOG | CH Pro Pedals | TrackIR4 pro | |A-10C|BS2 |CA|P-51 MUSTANG|UH-1H HUEY|MI-8 MTV2 |FC3|F5E|M2000C|AJS-37|FW190|BF 109K|Mig21|A-10:SSC,EWC|L-39|NEVADA| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted July 14, 2018 ED Team Share Posted July 14, 2018 It's great that ED are still going to do FC level aircraft. Just a quick concern: Does this mean they will fix the CBU issues with A-10A?? The aspect that the bombs fall way short of the aim point? IIRC..this issue is still persistent and hasn't been fixed yet. They are working on that for the Hornet, I am going to ask that those fixes make their way over to other aircraft. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gothicane Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 too many aircraft looks same. it confused me.should i by them again and again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted July 14, 2018 ED Team Share Posted July 14, 2018 It's for new users that don't own these yet, and are not interested in full modules. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfredson007 Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 It's for new users that don't own these yet, and are not interested in full modules. Can you confirm that the MAC planes can be bought separately if i only want Mig-15 for example? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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