DCS: F-16CM Block 50 by EDSA Discussion Thread

[mvsgas]

Slug72 said:

Yes.... and no.

 

Post-CCIP, aircraft are covered by the CM-series of technical orders, but most F-16s are still officially designated as -CD/-CJ by the USAF despite the CCIP program being (I think) complete. To a layman it's very confusing...

 

p.s. I'll take a 22FS F-16CJ circa 1998 please ED. in case you're asking.... plus a 157FS "Swamp Rats" Have Glass livery 'cos it's cool.

 

 

 

I'll raise you those, plus the RNoAF F-16-AM's integral ECM and AGM-119 Penguin missile. Ain't gonna happen though so USAF Block 50 circa 2000 will do just fine.

 

I tried to explain this here

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3745350&postcount=164

 

To add, CM it would be found on Technical Orders (T.O.) Specifically affected after CCIP program (i.e. 1F-16CM-34-1-1, 1F-16CM-1, etc.) For other T.O. is would still be CJ (block 50/52) or CG (block 40/42). CM does not specify a block or capabilities and it is still officially F-16C but it becoming common practice to refer to those F-16 after CCIP upgrade as CM.

So when you look at the cover page of a 1F-16CM-34-1-1, it refers to the aircraft as a F-16C/D because that is the official designation.

 

 

For those that are interested, Air Force Instruction (AFI) 11-2F-16V3 is available online in E-publishing.af.mil. It has no publishing restrictions and has a lot of information regarding F-16 operations.

 

For example, it has been brought up before that the HUD in a F-16 is not a primary flight instrument.

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4.1.General.

4.1.1.Head-Up Display (HUD) Use. Regardless of Block, pilots will use the ADI as the primary reference to recover from an unusual attitude or while executing lost wingman procedures. (T-1). The HUD should be used as a crosscheck in these situations. The HUD in F-16 Block 25/30/32 aircraft and Block 40/42/50/52 aircraft has been certified as a primary flight instrument and may be used as a primary flight reference in night/IMC conditions. The HUD in all other F-16 Blocks may be used as an additional instrument reference only. No F-16 Block may use the HUD as the sole reference in night/IMC conditions.

Edited August 3, 2021 by mvsgas
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[The Falcon]

tomcat and viper:joystick::worthy:

[rrohde]

tomcat and viper:joystick::worthy:

 

Exciting times, eh? With the Viper available when the time comes, I can die a happy man. :thumbup:

[Aluminum Donkey]

watching WAG´s latetst video, I saw a F-16C (WIP) in his module manager on the bottom of the screen. What can anybody tell me concerning this? Are we getting a Falcon soon in DCS?

 

 

Yep, F-16 is coming soon!

 

...you know, "soon" in DCS terms. Maybe 1-2 years if we're lucky, 3-5 if we're realistic. Remember kids, the F/A-18C is still in early release, and doesn't even have a targeting pod yet, never mind the fancy stuff like A2G radar :)

 

In a nutshell, ED will release a barebones, early-release F-16 (many years of their work) if and when they feel like it, not when *we* are itching and scratching to pay them 50 bucks for it :)

 

AD

[Kev2go]

Yep, F-16 is coming soon!

 

...you know, "soon" in DCS terms. Maybe 1-2 years if we're lucky, 3-5 if we're realistic. Remember kids, the F/A-18C is still in early release, and doesn't even have a targeting pod yet, never mind the fancy stuff like A2G radar :)

 

In a nutshell, ED will release a barebones, early-release F-16 (many years of their work) if and when they feel like it, not when *we* are itching and scratching to pay them 50 bucks for it :)

 

AD

 

wags himself said 2019, and said in what would seem to be a confident tone.

 

Granted its only 2nd month into 2019 and there are 12 months.... ( maybe itl be December) but we can expect it within the 2019 time frame.

 

 

 

AS it was explained to me by weta ( ED campaign tester) why the Viper is coming so soon when Hornet isnt finished yet out of EA.

 

 

Much of the current system development for the F/A-18C is creating a prototype implementation of those systems in DCS.

Once the prototype system has been created, further implementations are easier and quicker to develop.

Edited February 15, 2019 by Kev2go

[cofcorpse]

News about F-16C

[Cytt0rak]

Okay I wasn't expecting this. They already started it. This shows why they were saying this year.

[mvsgas]

[Cytt0rak]

 

Are you alive? :lol:

[Silver_Dragon]

very good move by ED... waiting see them the Falcon into DCS with the hornet.

[Wags]

wags himself said 2019, and said in what would seem to be a confident tone.

 

Granted its only 2nd month into 2019 and there are 12 months.... ( maybe itl be December) but we can expect it within the 2019 time frame.

 

 

 

AS it was explained to me by weta ( ED campaign tester) why the Viper is coming so soon when Hornet isnt finished yet out of EA.

 

No, that was not me, it was a community manager. His comment was premature. Once it is further along, we'll provide an offical estimate then.

 

Thanks

[Raven68]

I know it's not as simple as plug and play, but it does seem to be very possible for early access 2019 considering that a TREMENDOUS amount of work for a lot of the technologies are developed or very far along in development from the F-18 module. Is it safe to say these technologies should carry over to the F-16 allowing a good possibility?

[RaceFuel85]

No, that was not me, it was a community manager. His comment was premature. Once it is further along, we'll provide an offical estimate then.

 

Thanks

 

Thanks Wags :)

[DracoLlasa]

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/news/2019-02-15_Beta/

 

Well i think that covers a lot of it, im really looking forward to this one

[Revelation]

I know it's not as simple as plug and play, but it does seem to be very possible for early access 2019 considering that a TREMENDOUS amount of work for a lot of the technologies are developed or very far along in development from the F-18 module. Is it safe to say these technologies should carry over to the F-16 allowing a good possibility?

 

They already stated that they were developing technologies for the Hornet in such a way they can be "transferred" to other modules, including the Viper. Yes there will be work to make the code originally developed for the Hornet to translate to an authentic experience for another airframe.

[Wags]

I know it's not as simple as plug and play, but it does seem to be very possible for early access 2019 considering that a TREMENDOUS amount of work for a lot of the technologies are developed or very far along in development from the F-18 module. Is it safe to say these technologies should carry over to the F-16 allowing a good possibility?

 

Once the pre-order is available, we will announce the offical early access release then. Far too early now and we will not repeat past good faith estimates.

 

 

Thanks

[Wizard_03]

CCIP for the win!! Very happy with the model we’re getting.

[Cytt0rak]

Once the pre-order is available, we will announce the offical early access release then. Far too early now and we will not repeat past good faith estimates.

 

 

Thanks

 

Wags will we see Litening on F-16 like how we will get it earlier for F/A-18C? Though I'm not informed if this spesific block ever carried one.

[mvsgas]

We are getting the sniper pod, even better.

[rrohde]

we will not repeat past good faith estimates.

 

Being part of selling highly anticipated controllers for our beloved flightsm hobby, I understand that sentiment all too well.

[RaceFuel85]

Wags...

 

Do you have a plan on when you'll be making a sub-forum for the F-16 like the Hornet? Once more info comes out?

[Raven68]

Far too early now and we will not repeat past good faith estimates

 

Considering the history of the reaction from missed estimates I don't blame you for staying away from dates. There is too much to enjoy currently to think about this anyway. I will be ready to purchase when the announcement some for pre-purchase. Thanks for the great update Wags!

[CaptJodan]

Once the pre-order is available, we will announce the offical early access release then. Far too early now and we will not repeat past good faith estimates.

 

 

Thanks

 

Thank you for the new newsletter info dump, including the news of including the CCIP upgrade. Super stoked about this.

 

Also very happy to hear no release dates for now. But equally happy that there will be an EA period that starts with the basics, like you did with the Hornet. Lately so much discussion on this approach that I feared you wouldn't follow suit, but I for one have loved having the Hornet to play with and learn while systems have been integrated. Much appreciated.

 

Also appreciated you correcting the "end of year" quote there. Unfortunate that's out there in the ether now, but at least you're on record that that was an oops and is not representative. People gotta pull the brake on this hype train. Got a long road ahead.

 

This module is going to be VERY hard for me to not over-hype for. This is only a personal preference, not speaking for what should be, but I'd avoid over-hyping the community too soon. Best thing is to keep plugging away in public on the Hornet to show that it's a module that will be finished to silence the naysayers, while quietly getting the F-16 closer and closer to release in the background. No barrages of updates, just more Hornet goodness. Then, as release gets closer, BAM, huge news, F-16 coming out on X date.

[wasizyayo]

Also, AGM-65 and AGM-88 are after

[Geraki]

A good ACMI pod with collaboration with TACVIEW inside DCS MENU GUI for Red Flag will be super For RED FLAG

 

and CCMD colour multifunction display with map like A-10

 

Aslo a complete TFR and PCGAS avoidance if can happen

 

The dream just started lets help all to get it quicker and more realistic .

Edited February 15, 2019 by Geraki