Size of the CoreMods folder - 18 GB ?

[Wiggo]

17 minutes ago, draconus said:

Yes, you can, but they will be downloaded back during next update. If you see any F-14 in your mission SP or MP you'll see either default livery (if you keep one for A and B each) or default "missing texture" camo.

You're free to not update the game and not buy any more modules - that way your DCS size will stay the same. Otherwise any new module or update will increase your DCS folder size.

Neither users or developers want to keep DCS in still, it's constantly improved and it grows - deal with it your own way.

I totally undestand that, I was just wondering why my folder size has doubled, since I havent installed anything else than, normandy 2.0 map. Its clear updates makes  it go up and down what comes to usage of diskspace, not to mention modules. Does trial etc installed / uninstalled modules leave something behind? I have feeling that when trialed many modules this year, though uninstalled / deleted em trough mod manager in dcs-> seems that some of the data stays, at least when i look at my folder size compared to 5-6 months ago. But yeah thanks. This helps some, because I can delete some liveries just to get dcs install inside 500gb ssd with windows 10, still problems with space. Gets pretty ridicilous if I soon need 1TB SSD if going to buy few mods more,  after couple of DCS updates. This is all the same for me, but when 500 gb ssd seems not to be enough anymore with ONE game installed + windows. I totally love DCS, but this has confused me, since for long time DCS stayed in 120gb + mods. Now its (for me at least) like  200gb + + mods.  Actually the modules installed, are not big. It is confusing that one plane is 14x larger than second largest, in coremods. (just an example). I think there can be sayed, "could it be pinched down littlebit from somewhere". But yeah I totally understand that big games take big data, no question about that. There just seem to point out some stuff that seems pretty large, compared to others. Have a nice day!

Edited June 14, 2023 by Wiggo

[draconus]

2 minutes ago, Wiggo said:

I totally undestand that, I was just wondering why my folder size has doubled, since I havent installed anything else than, normandy 2.0 map. Its clear updates makes  it go up and down what comes to usage of diskspace, not to mention modules. Does trial etc installed / uninstalled modules leave something behind. I have feeling that when trialed many modules this year, though uninstalled / deleted em trough mod manager in dcs-> seems that some of the data stays, at least when i look at my folder size compared to 5-6 months ago. 

Use DCS clean to make sure all uninstalled modules are deleted from installation folder. Usually removing (with recycle bin icon, not disabling with the switch) through module manager is enough. Each update of DCS can bring new liveries, textures and models for both core mods and owned DLCs. Sometimes it means many GBs of data, esp. for maps, as they are the most demanding for size.

As for your \saved games\dcs world size, check and clean the \tracks\multiplayer\ as they are saved automatically.

[SharpeXB]

Drive space has become incredibly cheap.You can get a 2TB SSD for $65. If you want all the goodness that DCS has to offer then it’s going to take storage space. Not really a problem. Games are routinely 100GB these days. DCS is no different. 

Edited June 15, 2023 by SharpeXB

[Rudel_chw]

16 hours ago, Wiggo said:

The DCS folder just gets bigger and bigger. This is laughable.

 

What I find laughable is how people adds more DLCs to their install and yet they expect the disk footprint to keep the same 

 

16 hours ago, Wiggo said:

I just bought new 500gb ssd JUST for DCS

 

Sorry to tell you, but if you just purchased a 500 gb SSD, then it means that you purchased an almost obsolete item right out of the store .. on my country a 512 GB Sata SSd costs around US$ 29 ... yet a 1 TB unit costs US$ 49 .. only 20 bucks more and you would have saved so many headaches.

[Dragon1-1]

7 hours ago, Rudel_chw said:

What I find laughable is how people adds more DLCs to their install and yet they expect the disk footprint to keep the same 

Here's the thing: they don't. This is not about DLCs, this is about exterior aircraft models that are part of the core. You don't need to buy the MiG-21 to have this 4GB livery.

It's not just about storage, too, it's also making inefficient use of memory. For AI, we typically do not need full-res 4K textures, and we certainly do not need a 4K normal map. However, we get stuck with them anyway, and DCS has to load it all into memory if such an aircraft appears in a mission. Regular SSD storage might be cheap compared to DCS modules, but video memory is much less so, and M.2 PCI-E storage that compensates somewhat for DCS' inefficiencies is rather less cheap.

It would be much better for the unowned aircraft to come with downsampled liveries, replaced with full res ones when the DLC is bought. It'd also be much better if someone bothered to optimize the damn things. Only diffuse maps need to be full resolution, others that merely modify the surface can very well be at least one quarter the size with no loss of visual quality.

[draconus]

14 minutes ago, Dragon1-1 said:

and DCS has to load it all into memory if such an aircraft appears in a mission

Only the used livery gets loaded, not all 4GB of liveries.

And why would users have to buy every aircraft module they use in a mission in order to see AI in decent quality? That's just very bad idea. Mind, only a part of them are actually DLCs. Your "we typically do not need full-res 4K textures" quickly turns into "oh, that looks bad" on the ground or in formation.

By all means, if they can be done with great quality and less storage then ok, but downsampled textures are only good for LODs and MIP maps.

[Wiggo]

3 hours ago, draconus said:

Only the used livery gets loaded, not all 4GB of liveries.

And why would users have to buy every aircraft module they use in a mission in order to see AI in decent quality? That's just very bad idea. Mind, only a part of them are actually DLCs. Your "we typically do not need full-res 4K textures" quickly turns into "oh, that looks bad" on the ground or in formation.

By all means, if they can be done with great quality and less storage then ok, but downsampled textures are only good for LODs and MIP maps.

You are totally right. And totally understand that this kind of content just takes its room. It was  more about my folder expanding so quickly. Still love DCS, and will play it (even if it includes buying more ssd in the future ) Btw, at the same time I am writing this there is F-16 wing at full AB straight over me/my house  They are practicing for Turku Airshow. Yesterday Apaches flied around Turku, Finland Sub-urbs. Cool effects for DCS forum writing.

Edited June 15, 2023 by Wiggo

[Wiggo]

11 hours ago, Rudel_chw said:

 

What I find laughable is how people adds more DLCs to their install and yet they expect the disk footprint to keep the same 

 

 

Sorry to tell you, but if you just purchased a 500 gb SSD, then it means that you purchased an almost obsolete item right out of the store .. on my country a 512 GB Sata SSd costs around US$ 29 ... yet a 1 TB unit costs US$ 49 .. only 20 bucks more and you would have saved so many headaches.

At the time I bought that 500 gb ssd, it was 49 euros here in Finland. The buying of stuff was not important here, only why those liveries has to be so damn large, and even more just wondered why my DCS folder expanded way lot more than those mods are taking. Its clear that if  I install new module, it will take more space. In this case the space was / is not taken by those installed modules. But yeah you totally got point with that price, onlyl reason I did not buy 1TB SSD is because I have ddr3 computer with asus z97 motherboard. It has one m.2 _ onnector_ BUT its one of those first ones, which just uses one of SATA connections of motherboard (so called "fake" m.2) So it is SATA SSD, and at least here in Finland the price for 1 gb was that time lower with 500gb (for SATA III version SSD). Yes I need new computer more or less anytime.

Edited June 15, 2023 by Wiggo

[Rudel_chw]

9 minutes ago, Wiggo said:

At the time I bought that 500 gb ssd, it was 49 euros here in Finland...

 

Sorry, your "just bought" expression confused me into assuming that you had done that upgrade a short while ago. 

[MAXsenna]

Hi @Wiggo
As a stop gap. If you get yourself an additional cheap SSD. DCS is extremely easy to move. And with your setup, it might even be a good idea to run OS and DCS from different drives.

Cheers!

Sent from my MAR-LX1A using Tapatalk

[SkateZilla]

On 12/23/2018 at 4:08 AM, Blech said:

 

 

Hi,

 

 

ALL modules ?

A-10C, helicopters, FC3-modules are missing and we can fly together with them

 

Most of the Older Modules assets were integrated before ED Started the "CoreMods" Structure, they are located in /Bazar/World/Shapes (and /Textures).

As Older Models are replaced, they are also moved to a CoreMods Module.

 

[buceador]

On 6/14/2023 at 12:25 PM, draconus said:

As for your \saved games\dcs world size, check and clean the \tracks\multiplayer\ as they are saved automatically.

Obviously every little helps but after 3 years of playing I have less than 800MB (about 1800 files) in that folder, track files are VERY small.

[SkateZilla]

Tacview Files build up over time too if you have Tacview.

as far as DCSW install Size..
The Main thing that takes up space is Terrains, 60-100GB each.

Coremods are required, as they are the AI and Network Sync Assets.

It looks like you already deleted some, as F14 is missing, and that folder is pretty hefty for AI.

Edited June 15, 2023 by SkateZilla

[Wiggo]

6 hours ago, SkateZilla said:

Tacview Files build up over time too if you have Tacview.

as far as DCSW install Size..
The Main thing that takes up space is Terrains, 60-100GB each.

Coremods are required, as they are the AI and Network Sync Assets.

It looks like you already deleted some, as F14 is missing, and that folder is pretty hefty for AI.

 

Yeah they are pretty big too, but managable. For me, they go to my old 260gb ssd / other drive. Though dont have it always on. Tacview was very helpfull for me,  when learning basics. And ofc is still! EDIT: quoted wrong person. Time to sleep...

Edited June 15, 2023 by Wiggo

[Wiggo]

8 hours ago, MAXsenna said:

Hi @Wiggo
As a stop gap. If you get yourself an additional cheap SSD. DCS is extremely easy to move. And with your setup, it might even be a good idea to run OS and DCS from different drives.

Cheers!

Sent from my MAR-LX1A using Tapatalk
 

Yeah. I noticed that. But as new drive had more cache (or even a cache) compared to my old 260gb ssd, I wanted fresh install of windows to it. Also bought new hotas at the same time, so at that time I just wanted also a fresh install of OB DCS. My old folder was old as hell, as I had installed it to HDD year xxxx and it was just sitting there sometime and then started to play DCS more or less daily about two years ago, and that time that folder was already pretty old. So I just copied some bind settings etc. and installed whole OB. But yeah it can be copied, have done it once while moved from HDD to ssd when started that playing. (I had DCS installed for years, but was on hook with Kerbal Space Program, which started to annoy me after 3000hours.. -> DCS)  Hah, this reminded me how painfull was loading dcs at HDD times ;D

Edited June 16, 2023 by Wiggo

[imacken]

On 6/14/2023 at 9:08 AM, Wiggo said:

.....on top of that /savedgames/dcs folder wihch is around 50gb. 

 

I have to ask, what on earth have you got in there?  Mine is only 2Gb and I have a lot of modules and terrains.

[Rudel_chw]

On 7/15/2023 at 6:04 AM, imacken said:

I have to ask, what on earth have you got in there?  Mine is only 2Gb and I have a lot of modules and terrains.

On my case, user Liveries can take a lot of space, also my user missions are getting ever larger since I learnt how to add voiceovers and pictures to them  

Edited July 18, 2023 by Rudel_chw

[Bucic]

13.5 GB for only liveries of a single aircraft (F-14). One can ride his excuse elitism all he wants. It doesn't change the fact that this is an unwarranted waste.

[Wiggo]

On 7/18/2023 at 4:05 PM, Bucic said:

13.5 GB for only liveries of a single aircraft (F-14). One can ride his excuse elitism all he wants. It doesn't change the fact that this is an unwarranted waste.

Is there normally so much Liveries? (in f-14 folder) Only liverie I have ever installed is F/A-18C FiAF skin.  I have though trialed once (the normal two week trial) F-14 itself. Does it affect somehow on those? 

 

[Bucic]

14 hours ago, Wiggo said:

Is there normally so much Liveries? (in f-14 folder) Only liverie I have ever installed is F/A-18C FiAF skin.  I have though trialed once (the normal two week trial) F-14 itself. Does it affect somehow on those? 

 

Yes, it is a clean install, I've never done any trials, just installed what I usually do, F-5E and FC.

[draconus]

16 hours ago, Wiggo said:

Is there normally so much Liveries? (in f-14 folder)

It's in the coremods so it does not rely on owning any module. These liveries can be used by AI and client MP aircraft.

[vgilsoler]

Maybe an optional check for download full liveries, or a select which model liveries do you want to download. It will be enough.

14GB of F14 liveries by default, I think it's a bit excessive.

[Rudel_chw]

40 minutes ago, vgilsoler said:

14GB of F14 liveries by default, I think it's a bit excessive.

Currently, on my third world country, a 1 TB m2 ssd costs around us$ 50, so those 14 GB are about 70 cents … it doesn’t sound that excessive to me.

[vgilsoler]

19 minutes ago, Rudel_chw said:

Currently, on my third world country, a 1 TB m2 ssd costs around us$ 50, so those 14 GB are about 70 cents … it doesn’t sound that excessive to me.

If you multiply the size for each possible module and if you don't use these liveries, it is excessive. It could be optional to download/install them.

[draconus]

15 minutes ago, vgilsoler said:

It could be optional to download/install them.

Imho it's not worth to micromanage the disk space in a multi-hundred GB game. We already have Module Manager for that.

Edited July 31, 2023 by draconus